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Ayesha
Senior Member Pakistani


Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 765
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ISLAMABAD: The US administration has floated a proposal before Pakistani authorities to hold referendum in the NWFP regarding its future, informed sources confided to The Post on Friday.
The sources said the US administration had asked Pakistan to decide the troubled-area of the NWFP through referendum either it go with Pakistan or emerge as an independent province. Before taking positions along the Pak-Afghan border, General Mullen who visited Pakistan last week floated this proposal before the Pakistani authorities.
However, the authorities refused the proposal straight away and conveyed a strong message before the visiting US General that the government of Pakistan would resolve the issue through its own description.
Meanwhile, local Taliban also joined hands with Pakistani forces against US forces which also sent a strong message to the US administration that people of the NWFP were not wishing for independent state. The Awami National Party-led province is, however, looking for changing the name of province according to the desire of locals.
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http://thepost.com.pk/Arc_MainNews.aspx?bdtl_id=11811&fb_id=2&catid=14&date=07/19/2008&fcatid=14 |
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| Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:45 pm |
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inayat khan qazi
Senior Proud Pakistani

Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Posts: 1006 Location: 55743 idar-oberstein Germany |
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The inhabitant of N.W.F.P are always neglected,descriminated & treated as a step children for a longer time,but one thing I can say with conviction that they love Pakistan & they want to be known as Pakistanis which they are proud of.The biggest calamity took place when this area were used purposely as a buffer zone & for the benefit of few individuals & group of the people including high rank Army officials profited from that.Settling there Afghan Refugees & still kept their,which has not effected the life of the people there more miserable,have also influenced our entire society.The local people have been effected directly & indirectly & the irony is that Govt & the establishment is not even bothered about the real threat arising due to their negligence & matter of no concern for them because it is not directly effecting them(Atleast they believe so).Pashtoons & Balochis are the People they have joined Pakistan On their own wish & will,so we cannot expect from them not to be loyal to Pakistan.The lack of leadership having vision causes all these problems which is now a very big challenge for whole Pakistan.every elected & non elected have promised to give the provincial autonomy to the provinces & no one have fullfill their promises even given in the constitution of Pakistan.Even they are so prejudice & reluctant that even ready to give the identity to the people of N.W.F.P by changing its name which is least to be done according to the will of the people of this region.I would still say it is still n ot too late to win the hearts of the people of this region by taking some drastic actions.First of all to stop the bloo.. propaganda of Afghan govt backed & desired by the USA,its allies & India.it is due to the wrong policies of Musharraf & co to give chances to our enemies to get strengthen & gathered in Afghanistan.We lost the remaining sympathies in Afghanistan through the wrong policies & to be the part of socalled war & terror in this region.All these are the repercussions of our wrong policies.Our own dogs are barking back on us,why we are giving the more chance to devide us,why we are hesitating to stop them as a living nation on source in begining.We should wack up to face the reality & try to correct our mistakes.We should not allow anyone to reach our throat to attack & insult us.We are still indirectly colonise through the people likee Musharraf & all these so called polititions.We should prove that we are a ssovereign nation not with slogans & big talk rather to take measures to save us from any excursion & adventureism.for that we have to show courrage & signs of Imaan not to be afraid of anyone.We should firstly fence the whole border area with Afghanistan we should for a while forget the dream of having stake in Afghanistan,let face the reality.We should send back all the Afghan refugees right away because we can do any & everything for Afghanistan due to their "Bani Israeel" nature tthey are never thankfull to Pakistan & will always curse Afghanistan as usual.We should stop the supply of all the basic utilities to them,to realise their position.with appologetic way of convincing them will never works.If we want or don,t wants it will be the area from where we will be once attacked so we have to take preamtive steps inspite of living in the fools pparadise.It is time to call "spade a spade".If we don,t show the courrage & the teeth of biting to them like North Korea & Iran,they will always blackmail & extort us,will never sit us on a table of negotiation.We should make our people to realise the need of the time,unite our all energy & sources,inspite of fighting our own people we should combine our efforts to defend our soil against the commem enemy of Pakistan & Islam.Allah helps only Braves & those who help themselves.Why should we let ourself die in "Fasaad"(the way to hell),the betterway is to do "Jehad" to defend our soil.I am very much sure that all Pashtoons & other people will say "Lab Baik" on our true leadership one call,we will merge as one nation to meet the challenges faced by our country.It is still not late to repent,forget to cry over spilt milk consult the nation & combine our force & follow the united strategy to face the enemies.Inshah Allah it is a chance for us to be united on this issue & the issues after.
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| Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:30 pm |
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iamfaisal
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Joined: 08 Apr 2008 Posts: 18
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hmph!! another one step towards crushing muslims and islam? when iraq was about to be bombed, everyone was busy saving their own skins saying "LOOK AFTER Y0URSELF AND YOUR COUNTRY" (SAB SE PEHLAY PAKISTAN) , look where it has gotten us. everyone has to die, its upto us how we die. honorably, or , despecably.
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| Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:40 pm |
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inayat khan qazi
Senior Proud Pakistani

Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Posts: 1006 Location: 55743 idar-oberstein Germany |
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Inshah Allah we will live as a living nation,we as a nation will fight & defend Pakistan, its pride & dignity till death.they can buy our polititions or manipulate events but we are not for sale.I am very optimistic when comes to our Youth & majority of Pakistanies like you.Not verbaly rather practically we will join hands for the defence of our Idealogy & our Idealogical state Pakistan.
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| Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:47 pm |
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nqwasti
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Joined: 19 Apr 2008 Posts: 21
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In early 90s it was said openly that Pakistan will break in 1995. Nothing happened and now again 2015 is given as deadline. We should know one thing there are many countries in the world who have thousand times more problems than ours. We are much much better, as a country and as a nation. And if any one can break this country,this can be Pakistani nation only. So to lure us in that trap a continuous campaign is launched through media, press and different platforms bringing depression, hopelessness and desperation amongst us. What is USA, a country who is not able to control even Taliban for last 7 years. In Iraq they are not able to win war against Militias. So remember we will live inshaAllah. And if we die, then will do with honour and grace.
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| Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:21 pm |
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mhcn
Pak Newbie

Joined: 04 Jul 2008 Posts: 38
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Pakistani regime extends support to America for a possible attack on Pakistan
The head of American Joint chief of staff committee General Michael Mullen made an emergency visit to Pakistan on 12th July. Within few hours he met President Pervez Musharraf, Prime Minister Gilani, Army Chief, Interior Advisor, Asfandyar Wali, Mahmood Achakzai and Afrasiab Khattak. This was enough to indicate the looming windstorm. After the visit Pakistan's Chief of the Army Staff, General Ashfaq Kiyani briefed the senior columnist and gave an impression that Pakistan is very weak and can not make a tit for tat response to the possible American strike, therefore no hopes of potent defense should be expected from the army. Also, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, waving a red rag at the bull, commented: "There are a lot of foreigners in the tribal area that may result into a 9/11 style attack."
These acts clearly indicate that in case of American attack on Pakistan neither the government nor the army is in any mood to resist. In fact they are the one who are creating public opinion in favor of the attack implying that America is justified to take actions against foreigners in FATA as well as nation should not expect a retaliation from the armed forces. Whereas the hard fact is that how can American army fight the Pak army when she is not in a position to defeat the Mujahideen in Iraq and Afghanistan who are devoid of heavy arms? Furthermore, how come America fight an open war with Pakistan when according to the Americans themselves their "army is stretched thin"? Can the republican, in an election year, swallow a few thousand body bags in case of war with Pakistan? Definitely not!!!
In fact General Mullen visited Pakistan to get this guarantee that Pakistan army will not resist in case of a limited incursions in Pakistan. We demand from General Kiyani that he mobilize the world's seventh largest army to defend Pakistan from the American aggression. And if the General Sahib, does not have the guts and courage to protect the nation then he better accept a farewell gift of bangles from the nation and leave this important post for a General who has the capability to defend the people of Pakistan. O Muslims! These rulers are loyal to America not with you and their responsibility is to protect the lives of American soldiers not yours. Time has come to get rid of these rulers and establish the Khilafah. O the sincere leaders among the ranks of the army! Will you still be used for American interests or you will fulfill your responsibility and give support and Nusra for the re-establishment of Khilafah?
_________________ KHILAFAT: The ISLAMIC Ruling System for Yesterday, Today & Tomorrow |
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| Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:33 pm |
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peshawari
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Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 6 Location: staten island new york |
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"SUB SAY PEHLAY PAKISTAN", that is why we are here today. we provided support to U.S to invade our neighouber, to save pakistan. but what is happening now??????? what is the future of pakistan?????? whats going on in Balochistan and nwfp. Baloch calling for indian help same as happened in Bangal. in nwfp people killing each other. pak army is not came from some other country. they are from us also. THIS IS THE RESULT OF "SUB SAY PEHLAY PAKISTAN".
MAY ALLAH PROTECT PAKISTAN AND MAY ALLAH GIVE "HIDAAYA" TO OUR STUPID RULERS.[b]
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| Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:21 pm |
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inayat khan qazi
Senior Proud Pakistani

Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Posts: 1006 Location: 55743 idar-oberstein Germany |
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100 % agreed with mhcn.If we act as a nation Inshah Allah no one can defeat us on any front.Let the wishfull thinking of the eneemies,are we inferior than Iraqis,Iran,taliban etc that USA will conquer us.We should not let our head down, face the challenges bravely & accept the reality.What our Army chief or Musharraf have promised Mr.Moulin or any one else should be their problem,we have to stand as a nation to not allow anyone enter our soil.We should be optimistic & have Trust in Allah to help us in every situation.Our so called rullers should also nnot dream to compromise on national issues otherwise they have to face this nation to pull & drag tthem on roads.Enough is enough why should we act like slaves,it is better to live & die with honour.We should leave aside our disputes realise the need of time,combine our energy,sourse & resources to defend our own land against our common enemy.
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| Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:36 pm |
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urfi67
Senior Proud Pakistani

Joined: 25 Apr 2008 Posts: 1184
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hmph!! another one step towards crushing muslims and islam? when iraq was about to be bombed, everyone was busy saving their own skins saying "LOOK AFTER Y0URSELF AND YOUR COUNTRY" (SAB SE PEHLAY PAKISTAN) , look where it has gotten us. everyone has to die, its upto us how we die. honorably, or , despecably. |
well said
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| Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:39 pm |
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ahmet2910
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Joined: 21 Jun 2008 Posts: 201
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PLEASE READ A LETTER RELATED TO THIS TOPIC
PUBLISHED IN THE DAWN OF 24TH JULY 2008
www.dawn.com
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LETTERS TO THE EDITORS
Awnser to Fata problem
NATO, it seems, is about to invade Fata. In the event Pakistan’s government will make loud noises but what can they really do to stop the most powerful war machine on the planet? Although an invasion would essentially be an act of war, would the Pakistan Army then throw itself against the foreign invader as it is duty-bound to do? Troubling questions these.
I suggest an alternative solution: why not simply cede Fata to Nato administration a la Kosovo? When has Fata been more than a part of Pakistan on paper alone? A part of the country de jure yes, but where only the pluckiest or the most well-guarded Pakistanis could venture (and now not even them).
It is a territory with virtually no contribution to the national economy, where the law of the land never applied. Fata has been useful only to smugglers, drug lords and crime lords of all sorts as a safe haven from where they could comfortably establish their crime empires across the country.
Now it is a home base for highly trained militants and terrorists as well. Only the federal government ever had any authority in Fata but their sole notable contribution there was to rent out the region to American interests as a launch pad.
I know that for many countrymen the immediate response to this suggestion would be outrage. How can we just hand over a large part of our holy land? No self-respecting country simply cedes a part of its sovereign territory. The answer to troubled regions is to invest in their development so that they have a reason to reject extremism. Right? Wrong, simply because it is too late for all that now. That was the answer for possibly the first 50 years or at least until the Afghan war but it was callously ignored. Self-respect is a consideration for those countries which have the strength to afford it. We never really did unfortunately.
SHEHZAD SHAH
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| Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:35 pm |
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faqi
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| Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:18 pm |
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inayat khan qazi
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It is a view of some "Enlightened Moderate" without self & national respect.Not knowing the facts & importance of FATA for Pakistan.if we allow USA to enter the FATA means leave him to invade your houses.Is there any dignity & self pride left that one can comeup with such a pathetic,shameless & IMAANless suggestion.Why we are fighting for Kashmir from such a long time & why we have paid untill now the price for it.We could compromise on this issue,we do have a Army & weapons or not.Why we are going through hardships as a nation to fullfill our defence requirements,is it for the Army to invade own people?.If we are claiming to be the Atomic power is not for our Generals,rullers & establishment to brag on.If they think the same way I will send them really bangles from here.The corruption & Harram money have taken away the "Ghairat e Milli" from those living in Pakistan but dreaming about the western life & their superiority.How dare some one insult us as a nation to act upon such a cowardly suggestion.Even if the rullers & elite class of Pakistan compromises on national issues we as a nation will not allow anyone to disgrace us.It is not a matter of FATA or for this matter any Pakistani space it is entirely the matter of our national pride & dignity not to allow anyone to enter our soil.For what in this world the war of liberation are fought,why the Palestinian without having any logistic support dieing for ttheir country,the small children running with stonees in their hands after Tanks 6 armoured cars or Iraqis & true Afghanis are giving sacrifices inspite of knowing about tthe strength of USA & his Allies.What are we talking about & why we become so cowards?I am fully aware of the majority of my Pakistani people they can die but not surrender till death.I am not only suggesting or Provoking verbally,I swear to Allah I will be the first one to return & take gun in hand for my country.We cannot sit somewhere claim to be the sons of soil & not ready to die for our country with honour than the hell with our lives to call ourselves Pakistanis.I am also annoyed with the newspaper like "DAWN" to publish such a negative article.We should promote optimism & patriotism in our people rather than poisning their minds.
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| Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:24 pm |
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lattoo
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....... leader in Islamabad are not intersted to solve their problem. They are making inside dealing with taliban to get Us aid as much as they can. Law and order situation will get worse. ISI created taliban theory in afghanistan and Threk Nifaz Shariat in Swat.
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| Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:30 pm |
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