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sarfarazlovesu
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| Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:25 pm |
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sarfarazlovesu
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| Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:27 pm |
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rosedar
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| Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:52 pm |
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mushytail
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Thank you Sarfarz for posting the video and the links.
This is indeed quite horrifying ! and must be condemned by everyone and especially by the Hindus. I fully condemn them, their philosphy and their actions.
As you will notice the ideology of hate starts with 'true religion' or 'pure race' concepts both are wrong and must be confronted. It is usually very hard for the ordinary Hindus to counter this group claiming to be 'True Hindus' because the argument is always that they are somehow 'holier than thou' because they claim they are following the scripture truly.
You will agree with me that these 'true Hindus' are nothing but intolerant extremists, who are hell bent on violence and destruction, including onto their own (Dalits). These extremists are so blinded and brain washed that they can not see how gravely wrong they are.
Opinion of ordinary Hindus is that these RSS who claim to be 'true Hindus' are so deviant that they are in fact NOT a part of Hindu religion. Minorities are their target and have more to lose than anyone by these extremists.
Thank you once again for your research and posting the relevant video links. I will circulate those on my mailing list as well.
Ram ram, (peace out)
Priya Das
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inayat khan qazi
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Thats the way to face reality.We all are refusing & condemning any sort of descrimination,violence,fundamentalism,fanatism & extreamism.We have to think like a humanbeings.I believe that anyone indulge in such a un healthy practices have no religion.I have not seen any religion to teach us anything against humanity,it is we people to make what out of it.Therefore we always emphasising not to blame the actions of few fanatics on Islam.Islam means peace & it teaches us to be tollerant & peacefull,we don,t own those do anything against the teaching of Islam.
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| Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:42 pm |
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urfi67
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| Re: RSS' Hindu Terrorism is not Hindu Religion |
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Thank you Sarfarz for posting the video and the links.
This is indeed quite horrifying ! and must be condemned by everyone and especially by the Hindus. I fully condemn them, their philosphy and their actions.
As you will notice the ideology of hate starts with 'true religion' or 'pure race' concepts both are wrong and must be confronted. It is usually very hard for the ordinary Hindus to counter this group claiming to be 'True Hindus' because the argument is always that they are somehow 'holier than thou' because they claim they are following the scripture truly.
You will agree with me that these 'true Hindus' are nothing but intolerant extremists, who are hell bent on violence and destruction, including onto their own (Dalits). These extremists are so blinded and brain washed that they can not see how gravely wrong they are.
Opinion of ordinary Hindus is that these RSS who claim to be 'true Hindus' are so deviant that they are in fact NOT a part of Hindu religion. Minorities are their target and have more to lose than anyone by these extremists.
Thank you once again for your research and posting the relevant video links. I will circulate those on my mailing list as well.
Ram ram, (peace out)
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nice to c such remarks from u mushy
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| Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:22 pm |
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mushytail
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You are welcome Urfi & Inyat.
Priya
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| Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:09 pm |
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urfi67
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ur also wellcome mushy,,,i expect tht discussiion shud b 4 self improvement and not just 4 sake of it
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| Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:31 am |
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sarfarazlovesu
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| Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:41 am |
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mushytail
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Hmm mushy
why RSS is targeting Islam and the muslims
why not those hindus who are not following the scriptures as they are following them?
are hindus are supporting them?
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Sweetie, I don't know. I'm just as puzzled and enraged at these thugs claiming to be Hindus as you might be for any extremists in other religions. I can tell you they are very organized and do quite a bit of social pressure to make people convert to their path. It is disgusting, I know. It goes without saying that it takes strong conviction and will to stand up to the extremists. It is very easy to give-in.
That is why is VERY important for all HINDUS and NON-HINDUS to unite and confront these thugs and defeat their extremist agenda disgusised as 'religious righteousness."
Thank you for finding the clips and posting it here. If you know of any other, lets keep them all under one thread.
Priya
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| Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:14 am |
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urfi67
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but mushy these ppl hav strong backing by indian govt thts y no harsh step has ever been taken to stop their aggresions against Muslims or any other religion,,,i think its all by design
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| Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:00 pm |
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mushytail
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but mushy these ppl hav strong backing by indian govt thts y no harsh step has ever been taken to stop their aggresions against Muslims or any other religion,,,i think its all by design |
It is the other way around, over period of time, no one took the steps to stop them or educate Hindus about the hidden agenda and dangers of coersions by the extremists. Net result is that they started gaining political power too (once blind masses start supporting them) and now it is even harder to stop them or reverse the trend. And now, their own people in the govt. seats give them protection from the law.
I hope Pakistan doesn't go in the same direction.
Priya
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| Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:11 pm |
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ugwaraich
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but mushy these ppl hav strong backing by indian govt thts y no harsh step has ever been taken to stop their aggresions against Muslims or any other religion,,,i think its all by design |
It is the other way around, over period of time, no one took the steps to stop them or educate Hindus about the hidden agenda and dangers of coersions by the extremists. Net result is that they started gaining political power too (once blind masses start supporting them) and now it is even harder to stop them or reverse the trend. And now, their own people in the govt. seats give them protection from the law.
I hope Pakistan doesn't go in the same direction.
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All said well before this post, but I kind of disagree to this post; reason being if you read through the history of partition you'll know what agenda Congress had for muslims and other minority groups in subcontinent. Everyone accepts that Nehru was an extremist, although trying to pretend as an educated and civilised person but everyone knows whatever has been done under his leadership, there are many pointers to the evidence of his evil and extremist nature e.g. organised riots(in which police was given weapons by govt to shoot at sight and intervene the crowd when Jinnah called for a mass protest against British rule) in Calcutta, assam; just before partition in which hundred thousands of muslims died; On the other hand Gandhi a great supporter of peace and the one who acknowledged Pakistan stand point on partition was thrown out of the main leadership of Congress and jailed, and then killed by some hindu extremist because of his soft behaviour towards muslims and other minority groups.
So, your statement that "over period of time, no one took the steps to stop them or educate Hindus about the hidden agenda and dangers of coersions by the extremists. Net result is that they started gaining political power too. " contradicts with the realities of past. India was born with an extremist leadership who advanced their evil designs towards, Kashmir from the day of separation, then Bangladesh and now they are trying to pinch us in Balochistan. India never accepted Pakistan as a seperate country and thats why their "imagination" of reuniting with Pakistan started from the day one and sustained until now. Their opinion on Pakistan was that this country will collapse in the matter of three months and then Pakistan will have to unite back with India again. I dont find hindus being supressed in any part of the world in a major dispute YET there is extremism in hindus.
I'll talk about the dynamics of extremism in Pakistan in a separate thread soon, based on allegations that you have come up with.
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| Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:56 pm |
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sarfarazlovesu
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| Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:25 pm |
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urfi67
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but mushy these ppl hav strong backing by indian govt thts y no harsh step has ever been taken to stop their aggresions against Muslims or any other religion,,,i think its all by design |
It is the other way around, over period of time, no one took the steps to stop them or educate Hindus about the hidden agenda and dangers of coersions by the extremists. Net result is that they started gaining political power too (once blind masses start supporting them) and now it is even harder to stop them or reverse the trend. And now, their own people in the govt. seats give them protection from the law.
I hope Pakistan doesn't go in the same direction.
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yes u will not find such trends in Pakistan where govt supports such ppl and even in masses they have very less support,,,just dont go by media bcoz the anti Pakistan ppl r very effectively controlling and manipulating the media
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| Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:42 pm |
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justnpaki
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hi,
i've joined this forum just an hour ago so ma first intention wz 2 find a place where i cud introduce ma self and learn "adab o adaab" of this forum but this thread attracted me such that it forced me 2 land over'ere any way i also want somthin to add as i've remained a great exponent of pak india dosti 4 a long time
but when ever i visited any indian forum any chat room or kinda thing i got a reply "bhaag Saale""... "teri ... "" teri.... n so on so i had 2 force ma self 2 change ma views and i came 2 kno "how ordinary indian thinks"
did u noticed da same responce wid us 2, priya???
when ever we talk about any nation or country's responce n behavour we talk about an average of thier pplz
so i think your views shud be and are admirable but they cant represent da mass behaviour and as u said dat dey r in "GOVT" having so much / enormus political pressure dat nothing can b done against dem so "dere views " shud b concidered OFFICIAL VIEWS OF INDIA n v shud curtail our responce according 2 it. tit 4 tat
if ordinary indianz 've bit of concience then dey shud condemn da violence not only in gujrat or odesa but in larger part ov kashmir but dey cal dem "atuk waadi"
if its not correct den y dis state sponsored terrorism is going on for such a long long time
y indian bollywood also give da same view is it also " govt Owned " or by da pplz ov india
n one more thing in ma view it has less 2 do wid religion its a pure "war of interests"
which has focused targets but ma'am dis 1 is not so easy and soon u 'll be finding another pakistan emerging widin india bcos da minorities ov india ;ve been opressed now 2 their max how can dey do more wid out a retaliation??
if pakistan goesin da same direction indian oppression will stop forever, forsure
n sarfraz bro whts this su in ur user name is dis "su 21"?
May Allah keep us among saviours
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| Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:55 pm |
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urfi67
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justnpaki,,,wellcome 2 forum,,,nd nice comments as well
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| Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:14 pm |
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mushytail
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| Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:40 am |
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urfi67
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but even then mushy u vill acknowledge tht ppl r listening to ur comments and answering them as well,,,well if u give some very strong comments then its natural tht u vill get a strong reply
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| Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:47 pm |
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ugwaraich
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In addition to what urfi just said, I believe you have not been mishandled here yet, i-e not all of your posts that are against the views of muslims in general have been deleted/edited and also in terms of explicit and abusive language which is what you find when you visit pro indian forums., we atleast try to practice freedom of speech here, no one's posts are deleted or edited until or unless they are extremely offending someone or especially a religion and we give you complete right to reply them in the same capacity. Trust us you'll find it much horrible in indian forums rather than here; they edit your posts and make them suit according to their own wishes, they delete and never let you sign in the forum again, and yet after that you face alot of moral and personal abuse from such indian forums
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| Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:42 pm |
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urfi67
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i just want to say tht discussion should not only b for sake of it or 4 point scoring,,,v should adopt a logical approach and should accept point of view of others or otherwise should remain quiet,,,no need to offend anybody,,,all Non Pakistanis are our guests and v should treat them like tht
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| Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:26 pm |
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inayat khan qazi
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I think that mushytail have realised our stances & point of views.I personally believe that any type of extreamism,fanatacism & radicalism is never allowed in any rational religion,the one who act upon in this way leaves his belief or religion beside & behind.Means he is no more the follower his believe.In Islam every nicely asked question can be replied with reasons & respect.We are & we should be sensitive about our religion & urge or courrage to defend his true theology not only against non Muslims but also against those missinterpreting & introducing his own version of Islam by radical views & actions.We should have a real orientation & knowledge of our religion.Any exegeration & ammmendment in islamic verses or Ahadith is mentioned as "Biddat" in Islamic teaching even said upto that extent "It leads you towards hell" means we have to place our self in the direction of our religion (Allah our creator orders & constitution suits human nature) than we will behave like a humanbeings which includes respecting & safeguarding others believes specially in the Islamic states.But the problems than arise or give birth to the perceptions,misconceptions,hate & prejudises when we try to mold religion towards own wishes & desires.It is than no more religion & Allah orders rather man manipulated script which is strickly forbidden in Islam.We are rational,broadminded,tollerant & respectfull Muslims if discussed with us in a cordial way & respectfull manner we are always there to exchange views,erase perceptions & respects others views.Problem only occurs when the otherside try to attack our belief,our country or our culture without any reasons & evidences.Having mindset to let us down.We hope that we will keep alive our forum with our exchange of views & knowledge on mutual respect basis & thats the way to learn,educate ourselves & trying to undersatand each others point of views without attacking & offending others.We can than achieve respect for our religion when we convey its real message & philosophy.
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| Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:44 pm |
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urfi67
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absolutely correct Qazi
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| Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:01 pm |
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justnpaki
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hi
today i'm in a hurry so dont have da time to see da links posted by honourable member quoting ma mssg but it seems that dey all r leading to some specific place or a forum made wid some specific purpose either to enhance once self esteem ov a group or to dgrade da other
where as i wz talkin bout da "ordinary pplz living ordinary lives"
not bout some sort of fanatics
and you kno that wht is being done wid fanatics in pakistan and how evry other pakistani condemn fanatics
wht yor "average" pplz on da oder side of da border ,do wid dem??????????
dey call muslims da "FANATIC" "ATAK WAADI" TERRORIST" BHAI LOG" MUSLE"SHAR PASAND"n so on
and to RSS dey give seats in parliment do da leaders ov RSS got dem selected wid votes ov ordinary pplz or just wid da votes ov dere FANATIC workers
do dey have so many FANATIC workers dat dey can get dem as many as seats in parliment dat dey r they r da strongest pressure group??????
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this is da mentality ov average men dat like dem to be in power
i wz talking bout dat , ma'am
yesterday europian commission demanded for a probe bout thousands ov untagged graves in jummu n kashmir i kno it will b in vain but
do any one hav any doubt regarding dere presence?????
who do u think made all those??
indian GOVT . RSS or da so called terrorist demselv digged graves 4 dem
do u hav any doubt dat today kashmir valley was on strike to protest on da day ov martyres????
i think v all shud talk wid some logic not just wid "links" as hundered and thousands ov web sites develop every day
if i dont like the display ov sarfaraz or waraich or even u i can launch a web site for dis also it is no evidence ma'am
i kno dat it is usless to indulge in any detail argument cos
neither v can change each other's views nor v dare to talk seriously bout our religions to reach 2 som conclusion to reach da truth alas v r so afraid 2 c da other side too!
u n me jus wana prove dat v r superior dats y i said dat it is not bout religion its all about interests
da oil da resources da land n false traps for da ordinary pplz do continue dere rule
any way india is a "big" country wid "big" resources n today da truth is , wht media says so india may win every argument wid yello journalism but u kno wen u do somthin against ur concience knowingly something dies inside u silently
n wen u do it again and again a day comes wen u become black at heart
if u dont bliv me see ur own prophecies ov yoga /karam etc so what ever u say it shud confirm to those standards which are above all worldly interests not just for da sake ov winning an argumant try not 2 convince da forum try 2 convince da ones hoo r doing all dis
regards!
c u all tomoro insha'Allah wid plenty ov time tc
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if any ov ma word has offended any one plz accept ma sincere appologies
n i request da moderators to plz letme kno if i've crossed som limit cos i'm new over here n lyet to learn da horizons of dis forum
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| Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:01 am |
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sarfarazlovesu
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