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Tableeghi Jamaat theek hay ya nahin


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valiant
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ASAL kufrya AUR THANVI KI WAZEH GUSTAKHI Reply with quote


[size=18]" iss men thanvi ke ilm ka kya takhsis aisa ilm gaib to tawaif , kutya aur pigs ko bi hasil he "

jahil ke bachon ... difai e kufrya ibarat ka janbazon ghor karo fikar karo ke thanvi ne yahi ibarat jis men
SARKAR (S.A.W) ko naozubillah janwar bahim pagal wagera se tashbee de he . .. .. na likhne walon ke sharam aai na difa karne walon ko .
aik wazeh cheez ko gol mol kar ke 4 safhon men pata nahi kya kya matlab nikal nikal kr dikha rahen hen.
ye sb ke liye lamha fikrya he . sub inn kism ki ibarat se toba karen .

agar kisi ne history parhi to pata ho ga ke yazeed ne ahbet ko nuksan phoncha ke yahi kaha jo thankvi ne kaha ke mera ye maqsad ya matlab nahi tha. afsos he inn jahilon pe . her jaga yazeedyat nazar aati he deobandyat men.

ALLAH APNE HABIB (S.A.W) KE SADQE SUB KO APNI AMAN MEN RAKHE.
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Thande ho jo bhai ... Alim ke Bache... Asal bat to chat pe hogi par ye batao ke tumne wo bayan suna... agar suna to Kuch batao ke kaisa laga aur agar nahin suna to phir sun ke bat karna.

Mein INSHALLAH thora sabar karoon ga... tum ko jawab dena asan hai magar mujhe bat banti nazar aa rahi he INSHALLAH bus aik darkhwast he wo bayan sun lo...

ALL OF YOU WHO ARE LOOKING AT THIS POST PLEASE LISTEN TO THE BAYAN AND GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK
Code:
http://www.nazmay.com/PlaySaveBiyan.php?biyanId=78&part=1&mode=2


if you dont want to listen to the full bayan please listen from 1:24:00. I know we all got 20-25 minutes to find out what is right.

Whatever I wanted to say for the last few weeks, Maulana sahib said exactly the same thing but in a very beautiful way.

Please dont think that I dont listen to your ulama, I have listened to a full munazra on Qabar pe Azan, Deoband ka janaza and yesterday I was listening to Deoband ka operation, so now its your turn to listen to one of our alim and dont listen to his full speech, listen only some of it from 01:24 (hh:mm).

Dont worry INSHALLAH i will show you so many things from youtube but that will be after you listen to this bayan.

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ak_akhan wrote:
Thande ho jo bhai ... Alim ke Bache... Asal bat to chat pe hogi par ye batao ke tumne wo bayan suna... agar suna to Kuch batao ke kaisa laga aur agar nahin suna to phir sun ke bat karna.

Mein INSHALLAH thora sabar karoon ga... tum ko jawab dena asan hai magar mujhe bat banti nazar aa rahi he INSHALLAH bus aik darkhwast he wo bayan sun lo...

ALL OF YOU WHO ARE LOOKING AT THIS POST PLEASE LISTEN TO THE BAYAN AND GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK
Code:
http://www.nazmay.com/PlaySaveBiyan.php?biyanId=78&part=1&mode=2


if you dont want to listen to the full bayan please listen from 1:24:00. I know we all got 20-25 minutes to find out what is right.

Whatever I wanted to say for the last few weeks, Maulana sahib said exactly the same thing but in a very beautiful way.

Please dont think that I dont listen to your ulama, I have listened to a full munazra on Qabar pe Azan, Deoband ka janaza and yesterday I was listening to Deoband ka operation, so now its your turn to listen to one of our alim and dont listen to his full speech, listen only some of it from 01:24 (hh:mm).

Dont worry INSHALLAH i will show you so many things from youtube but that will be after you listen to this bayan.


A k Khan sahab ap se nawab bhai ne jo pocha ahi us ka jawab dain aur ap ne jo tariq jameel sahab ke bayan ka jo link diya ahi us ma tu tariq jameel sahab ne kahe bhi prove nahi kiya ke thanvi ne gustakhi nahi ki?? dekhe hum ne bhi bohut manazre aur bayanat sune hain tu is ko tu rehne de aur ap pehle thanvi sahab ki ibarat ka masla hal kare and i know ap prove kar hi nahi sakte ke thanvi be gunah hai b/c aj deoband ulema prove nahi kar sake aur na hi kar sake ge aur yeh hakeekat ap maan le ke tableeghi jamat thanvi sahb ko follow kar rahi hai jo ek gustakh hai tu ab tableeghi jamat wale kitni hi tableegh karle aur tariq jameel kitna hi apne bayan ma AAQA SALLALAHU ALAHE WASALLAM ki seerat bayan karle kuch nahi hoga jab tak thanvi ki gustakhi ko gustakhi na maan le..aur ap kiu thanvi ko begunah sabit karne par lage hain ap ko thanvi kia de de ga bilke ap ka iman kharab ho raha ahi ..think about it......again ap pehle jawab de phir tariq jameel ko bhi dekhte hain ma bohut achi tarah janta hon tariq jameel kiya hai......Allah hafiz
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I will post a response to a few of these OUTDATED LIES AND ALLEGATIONS made by the barelvis from an article..which will be enough, insha-Allah, u will see the game being played by these Barelvis. Our ulema have already answered these many years ago..

"Allah can speak lies". ("Barahine Qaatia" by Khaleel Ambetwi; "Yakrozi" by Ismaeel Dehlwi; "Fatawa Rasheedia" by Rasheed Ahmed Gangohi)."

The Truth
The view of Hadhrat Moulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi Saheb is that Allah is far
above and pure from being attributed with falsehood. There is no blemish of
falsehood in His words at all for Allah says, 'Who is more truthful than
Allah in speech.' He who believes that Allah speaks a lie is an accursed
outright Kaafir and opposed to the Qurăn and Sunnah. (Fataawa Rashidiyya
part 1 pg. 3)

Clarification (I)
Fataawa Rashidiyya pg. 84: 'From servant Rashid Ahmed Gangohi, after Salaam
Masnoon, you have inquired concerning the Masalah 'Imkaane Kizb'
(possibility of falsehood). But 'Imkaane Kizb' in the sense that Allah Taăla
has the power to act contrary to what He has ordered, but will not to do
with His Free Will, is the belief of this servant. The Qurăn Shareef and the
Sahih Ahaadith bear testimony to this belief, and this is the belief of all
the Ulama of the Ummah too. For example, Firáwn is promised to be thrown
into Hell, but Allah Taăla has the power to enter him into paradise,
although He will never give him paradise. And this is the Masalah under
discussion at the moment. This is the belief of all my friends. The enemies
must have related it differently. Referring to this Power and the
non-occurrence of it is termed 'Imkaane Zaati' and 'Mumtana bi Ghayr' Was
salaam Rashid Ahmad Gangohi.

If it is not slander then what is it?

To distort the above mentioned Masalah and refer it to Hadhrat Moulana
Rashid Ahmad Gangohi Saheb is totally evil and wrong. It is a slander and
slander is worse than back-biting,

Clarification (II)
Fataawa Rashidiyya pg. 90: 'That person who believes or utters with the
tongue concerning Allah Taăla that "He spoke a lie", is positively a Kaafir,
an accursed and opposed to the Qurăn, Hadith and the unanimity of the Ummah.
He is definitely not a Mu'min. Taălallaahu ammaa yaqoolu dhaalimoona oluwwan
kabeeraa. (Allah is far above from what the transgressors are saying).'

Also, watch these links, it destroys this false allegation of the barelvis in very detail:
Part 1: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=p8GjimUlRAg
part 2: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ZBb0CrH ... re=related
part 3: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NzsQ5IWAv ... re=related

"The Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) had died and is mixed in the sand. ("Taqweeyat-ul Imaan" by Ismaeel Dehlwi)"

Truth
The view of Hadhrat Moulana Rashid Ahmed Saheb is that: The meaning of the
(phrase) 'to lie on sand' has two meanings. The one is to become soil, the
other is the body touches the sand. The latter meaning is meant, and the
Moulana (author of Taqwiyatul Imaan) also believes that the bodies of the
Anbiyaa (Álayhimus salaam) do not turn to dust. Because a deceased is buried
in a grave and he is surrounded with soil all over, his body together with
the 'Kafn' touches the sand beneath him is called 'Mitti me milnaa' - to lie
on sand. Hence, there is no point of objection. (Fataawa Rashidiyya pg.s
83/84)

Clarification
In Taqwiyatul Imaan, a Hadith is mentioned in which a Sahaabi (Radhiallaahu
Ánhu) told Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) that the people of other
places bow out of respect to their Rulers; whereas Rasulullah (Sallallaahu
Álayhi Wasallam) is more worthy of being bowed to. At this, Rasulullah
(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, 'Look if you happen to pass by my grave,
will you bow to it?' The Sahaabi (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) said 'No, I will not do
so.' On this, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, 'So do not bow
to me ...' (A Sajdah Taazimi is also forbidden).

Commentary: 'I will also die one day and lie on sand (buried); therefore am
I worthy to be prostated to?' This phrase 'Mitti me milne waalaa hoo - I
will lie on sand' (meaning to be buried one day), became the bone of
contention for the Barelvis.

"To think of an ox and donkey in Salaah is permissible, but to think of the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) in Salaah is Shirk (Polytheism). ("Seerate Mustaqeem" by Ismaeel Dehlwi)"

Clarification
The abovementioned statement is not found anywhere in 'Siraate Mustaqeem'
that, 'To think of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) in Salaat is
worse than thinking of cows and donkeys.'

That which was written in 'Sarfe Himmat'. This is terminology used by the
Sufis in Tasawwuf (the spiritual field). 'Sarfe Himmat' in 'Tasawwuf' means
that a person's meditation over a thing becomes so overpowering and
predominant that no other thoughts penetrate into the mind and soul. Like a
mirror, if a person does not want any person's reflection to come into it,
he covers it with a black cloth and thus no reflection will appear. To
contemplate over a figure so that no other thing is contemplated is called
'Sarfe Himmat'.

This has been forbidden in Salaat, that besides Allah, 'Sarfe Himmat' should
not be done towards anyone. Salaat should purely and solely be for Allah
alone. If 'Sarfe Himmat' is done towards Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi
Wasallam), then the entire Salaat and Ibaadat will be for him.

On the other hand, if any thoughts of cows, donkeys, business, etc. come to
mind, or a person gets drowned in these thoughts whilst in Salaat, it is
regrettable. There is no fear of it being worshipped. In fact the person
regrets that in the course of an esteem Ibaadat like Salaat, he should have
such thoughts, Astaghfirullah.

The Kitaab, 'Siraate Mustaqeem' is based on 'Tasawwuf'. The objector is not
versed in Tasawwuf'. Therefore, he has translated 'Sarfe Himmat' to mean a
mere thought.

What comes to mind is this; that the Objector presents a picture of a Grade
One child, learning to read and write ABC and wishing to interpret the
writings of Shakespeare.

Moreover, it is stated in the Hadith that Salaat should be performed with
full attention. Therefore, when the name of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi
Wasallam) is recited in 'Tashahhud' the thought of the Rasul (Sallallaahu
Álayhi Wasallam) will come and should come. The Salaat will not be rendered
incorrect and this is not unlawful at all. The respected Moulana did not
stop anyone from this.

"Rahmatul Lil Alameen" (Mercy unto the Worlds) is not a special title of the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), but the Ummati are also "Rahmatul Lil Alameen". ("Fatawa Rasheedia")"

The Truth
The view of Hadhrat Moulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi is that: ''One should know
that the attribute of being Omnipresent is the quality of Allah Taăla alone,
like All-Knowing, Creator of the Skies and Earths and so forth. Therefore to
attribute this quality of being Omnipresent to someone else, though it be a
'Nabi', 'Wali', or Saint, is to ascribe Partners to Allah in His Qualities,
which is termed as 'Shirk-fis-Sifaat."

Clarification
The word 'Rahmatullil Aalameen' is not a characteristic only of Rasulullah
(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam). In fact other Awliyaa, Ambiyaa and
Ulamaa-e-Rabbaniyyeena are also a means of mercy unto the world, although
Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) is the highest of them all.
Therefore, if it is used for others with 'Taaweel' (by elucidation) it is
permissible.' (Fataawa Rashidiyya pg. 96/97)

"The knowledge of the Prophet is like children and animals. The knowledge of Shaitaan is more than the Prophet. ("Hifzul Imaan")"

The Truth
The view of Hadhrat Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi is that: Hadhrat Moulana was
asked, 'Did you in Hifzul Imaan or any other book write anything directly or
indirectly comparing the education of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi
Wasallam) to that of children, lunatics and animals? If not then what is
your ruling regarding a person who holds such a belief?'
In reply to that Moulana states, 'Let alone writing such falsehood and
filth, my heart had never even perceived such falsehood and verily if anyone
holds such a belief he is out of the fold of Islam.' (Faisal-e-Khusoomat pg.
21)

Clarification
Hadhrat Hakimul Ummah, Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi (author of the famous
'Bahishti Zewar') did not write the abovementioned statement in Hifzul
Imaan. Nor is it his belief. It is a slander on the said Moulana. In fact
Hadhrat Moulana has stated clearly in 'Hifzul Imaan' that, 'Knowledge with
regard to the Excellence of Prophethood has been bestowed totally upon Rasul
(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) (Hifzul Imaan pg. 12[/u]

I do hope Faheem Bhai and Nawab bhai now satisfied.
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Ab bhai faheem, bhai arslan aur bhai nawab aap ka kiya kehna hay is baray main
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I think these Tableeghi guys are good people. they are polite and good mannered, they invite people to prayers and are non violent, i havent seen them(my observation only) criticizing other branches of islam such as shiaism and they dont promote disunity among muslims.
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Jawab to bara sada sa hai... mein na nahin jin pe ilzam laga hai unhi ne jawab diya he... zara us ko parho us me koi sawal to me ne nahi dekha.

Baat to sirf ye hai ke aap logo me maane kis sifat nahi... ap ko agar koi kafar musalman ho ke kahe ke me musalman ho gia hoon... ap kahe ge ke nahi tum to kafir ho.

Deobandi Braelvi Ikhtilaf to in ibarat pe he hi nahi... Ulte sidhe jawabo ki bajai wo bayan sun lo.

Aur haan Tariq Jameel sahib ko sirf tum hi nahi tumhare bare bhi jaante hein isi lye un se bayan bhi karwaya, I have already posted those bayans, they are on page 6, I think. Listen to that bayan where one of your elder was saying to Maulana aap ki jaga to hamare dil me he , ye to aap ka stage hai etc.

Unko bhi munafiq kaho na.
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this is not first time i listened tariq jameel . as i have revealed that i was attached with tableegi jamat in past .so i used to listen him too much .its not a new thing for me.and this bayan which u sent me i have listened from the first word of tariq jameel to the last one. and for ur information i dont afraid to listen any deobandi or wahabi . not only this but also there r several books written by deobandis i studied them on various topics and agaist sunnis too.including ludyanwi's siratemustakeem .
now i tell u how is this bayan which u asked me to listen . meri ye saari baaten ta'asub ke ainak utar ke parhye ga INSHAL ALLAH apko faida ho ga . ok

start me tariq jameel ke alfaz
"logon men agar ikhtilaf he to iss men iman ki kami he ".

takriban 100 ke kareeb dore hazir ke aur mazi ke deoband ulma ne modoodi ke khilaf kufr ka fatwa diya . yahan tak ke ludhyanwi ne yahan tak likha ke "jab bi modoodi ka kalam chalta he to iss men se qadyaniyat ki boo aati he " ye sub kyon howa sirf ikhtilaf ki bunyad pe. beechare tariq jameel ko iss bat ka ilm nahi he. nahi to oper mention ki howi line wo takreer men nahi bolta . ab iss ka matlab ya howa accrding to sentence of tariq jameel jin jayad deobanyon ulmas ne modoodi ko kafar likha wo kam ilam the aur hen and un sab ka iman poora nahi tha balke sub deobandyon ke iman men wazeh kami thi. theek he na mr.arshad sahab . hakikat apke samne he.

tariq jameel ke alfaz
"seena khola gaya aur us men noor bhara gaya ".
ye baqaida hadis bi he. jis bat ki daleel khud tariq jameel de raha he . us ko inn
ke apne wahabyon deobndyon ne hamesha se jhutlaya he hamesha .aur ajtak ye log huzoor ki zat ko noori bashar nahi mante . wese jab bi inn se SARKAR(S.A.W) ke noori bashar hone ka bare men poocha jata he to inhi ke deobandi ulma saaf aik bat karte hen ke .NABI sirf bashar hen.balke deoband kufrya ibarat aik ye bi he ke "NABI hamare jese hen. inn ki izzat aise karo jese bare bhai ki si " "NABI matti men mil ke khatam ho gai " naozubillah (taqwitul iman) .jab ke yahan tariq jameel NABI ko noor khud sabit kar raha he.jese iss ke apne alfaz . "70000 noor ke parde" .

thats why muje jaga jaga ye bayan sunte howe aisa lag raha tha ke yahi wo baten hen jo ulma e ahlesunnat hamesha se bayan
karte aain hen . aur wahabiyno aur deobannyon ne hamesha inn baton ke munkir rahe hen .kyon inn bayanat men saare aqaid hi sunnyon wale hen . deobandi to iss ke munkirin rahe hen . aj se ap 50 sal peeche chale jain aur khud ap log hazrat shafi okarwi , hazrta Allama arshadul qadri,imam ahmad raza khan ki books ,hazrat kokab noorani,hazrat aleem shah sahab , hazrat shah ahmed noorani ,molana ashraf siyalwi , dr.tahir ul qadri .mufti muneeb ur rehman .mufti ashraf jalali etc ko zarur sune aur dekhen k aakhir ye kya ho raha he. awam ko panshane ka ye achi munafkat hath lagi he apne zahir na karo aur dosron ke aqaid ki aar men logon ko deobandy banao.

aj kal tariq jameel aise noor wale bayant , SARKAR(S.A.W) ke milad wale bayanat ,SARKAR (S.A.W) ki paidaish aur milad HAZRAT ADAM ALEH SALAM se bi pehle. SARKAR (S.A.W) ke naam ko HAZRAT ADAM ALEH SALAM ne waseela mana apni toba wali dua men . SARKAR(S.A.W) ka ilm e gaib jo tariq jameel ne wazeh lafzon men sabit kya he aur yahi wo ahadees hen jo ulma ahlesunnat ilm e gaib ki daleel men le ke aate hen. kya afsos nahi he ke khud kehte hen mante hen batate hen phir bi jab jab ye gaib ke alfaz istamal hote hen to ye saare deobandi purani zid pe ajate hen. iss ko hm kya samjhen ke awam ko dhoke men rakha ja raha he . .soim wagera ka ahtimam karna.bar bar shafaat ka bayan karna .kya deobbandyon ne shafat ke munkir nahi ??? jab jab shafaaat ki baat nikal chalti to yahi wahabi depbandi naraz ho jate hen . HAMESHA SARKAR(S.A.W) ki shan hi barhana aur batana ,saari ki saari baton se sirf ahlesunnat barelvi maslak ka aqeeda noor ki tarha chamak raha he. fatwe dekho to sunnyon aur un ke aqaid ke khilaf aur afsos he jab wohi cheez apne ghar se ajai tariq jameel ki takreer ki shikal men to kehte hen ummat ko jor raha he through the way of hypocrisy.

agar ap wese hi sache dil se wese hi sab man lo seedhe tareeke se to kya ummat nahi jure gi???

tariq jameel ajkal hamare aqaid wale bayanat iss liye kar raha he ke logo ko tableegi jamat ki taraf khench sake. bhar men jain inn ke apne akabreen . tariq jameel ke bayanats aur inn ke apne akabreen ke fatwon men zamenn asman ka faraq he . phir bi tariq jameel ka deobandi khelwana kuch aur nahi ahlesnnat ke khilaf bohut bari sazish aur high level ki munafqat he .kyon ke jo banda apne buzurgo ki hi na man saka , jis ke aqaid hi ka pata nahi. wo kese aur kya ummat ko aik kare ga. haan . munafqat se to wakti tor ke koi iss ki barelvi type baton men aake tableegi jamat men shamil ho sakte hen . lekin ghor karo meri tarha us ko jab hakikat ka ilm ho ga to wo inn munafiq deobanyon se kitni nafrat kare ga.

AIK JAGA tariq jameel kehta he ke fazail amal kitab men kya kharabi he ???

zakarya khandalvi writer of tabligi nisab fazail e amal .fazail amal men aik jaga numaz aur tilawat ki shan men bohut bari
be adbi aur ghustakhi ki he ke inhi ke aik bare mufti jin ka taluk punjab multan se he unho ne bi iss ghustakhi pe fatwa diya he k aisa admi kisi tarha be imam banane ki laiq nahi and agar us ki shadi ho gai he to usko kalma parh ke dobara nikah karna ho ga.
"numaz sab se ahem zikr he. is ke arkan men kayam sub se afzal he aur iss ke ander parhi jane wali tilawat sub se ahem afza l he . jo shaks tilawat Quran be samjhe krta he wo bukhar me mubtala ho kr hazyan (hazyan ka matlab bakwas ) bakne wale ki tarha he."
tabligi nisab , fazail e amal ,bab fazail numaz, banam aakhri guzarish .

ulma farmate he TILAWATE QURAN agar be samjhe ho ise bakwas wagera se tashbee dena sarih kufur he.
aur is ka bakne wala daira islam se kharij he. iss kisam ki kitab jis me QURAN TILAWAT ki be hurmati ho us ko
aakhir kese follow kia ja sakta he. jab tableegi aalimo ko inform kya gaya to bajai ke seriously iss pe socha jata.logo
ko inform kya jata ke wakai iss jumle me kufr he iss ko na parha jai . balke hat dharmi se chapa gaya.lekin jese jese
logo ko iss bat ka pata chala to tabligiyon ne ab ja ke apni nai kutub se iss jumle me do char alfaza change kar diye
hen khof se ke iss ghustakhana jumle ka jawab ban nahi pare ga aur log tableegi jamat se bad zan ho ge.
agar ye information tariq jameel ko nahi to uski kamilmi ka hm kya ilaj karen .ghor se dekho fatwa bi dyobandyo ke pas hi se aya he . iss ke ilawa bhi deobandi kufryat pe bohut se deobanyon ne kufr ke fatwe diye hen .thats on record .koi mane ya na mane .

tariq jameel ne sher parha ke "geron se poochte ho kabhi hm se bhi pochte.hm se bi sun lete "

jin ki kitabon se kufryat sabit howe hen wo tariq jamil ke apne hen ya gair hen . iss ka to wo khud hi batai ga .
aadhi bat ki he ke gustakh kon .. na kufryat pe aya , na ismail or nanotwi ka zikr kya ...lagta he haq nawaz jhangwi head of sipahe sahaba ka hashar dekh ke iss ne ibarat ki baat hi nahi ki "MANAZRA E JHANG".

another doubt is that tariq jameel ko pata hi nahi ke asal fitna kis waja se utha howa he . agar pata hota to jese tariq jameel ke aqiad hen to shayad ye bi sunni hota . ab iss kam ilmi ka hum kya karen.

" a hadith mafhom for ur kind information . SARKAR (S.A.W) ne sahabi se farmaya ke agar mera gustakh khana kaba ke ghilaf ke neeche bi nazar aai to us ko gardan ura dena ."

tarik jameel ne kaha ke" dosre musalman ke liye acha guman rakho".
kya ye deobandi wahabi nahi hen jo ahlesunnat pe shirk aur bidat ka ilzam hamesha se lagate aain hen. kya iss tarik jamil ko yad nahi aya ke shirk ka ilzam jo sunnyon pe lagaya ja raha he wo bad gumani he .burai he . ilzam he. sari nasihaten sirf sunnyon ke liye .un deobandyon ke liye koi nasihat nahi jo sunnyon pe na sirf ilzam lagate hen balke masajid pe qabze tak kar lete hen. iss se bari dogli policy aur munafkat kya ho gi.hona to ye chahiye tha ke jab hanfyon ki sub se bari jamat inn deobandyon se naraz he inn ke gahalat aqaid aur kufryat ki waja se to tariq jameel ko serously iss mamle pe ghor karna chahiye ke jo root he usi pe bat ki jai aur ghalat ko immediatly condemn kya jai . harmain sharifain ke secro ulma e karam kya jahil the NAOZUBILLAH . jinho ni inn deobady ibarats pe kufr ke fatwe diye . iss tarha baton ko ghuma phira ke asal hakaik chupane ka kya faida . haq to haq he . dabane se nahi dabta dear arshad sahab .

bar bar iss molvi ne yahi bat ki ke wo geron se sunte rahe . ab pata nahi geron se iss ki kya murad he . agar unho ne geron ki suni to tera dil saaf he .tuje deen se muhabbat he na ke deobandyon se to tu khud un ke pas chala jata . milta kabhi mufti muneeb ur rehman se . lahore hi men itne sunni akabreen hen men dr.sarfraz naeemi sahab hen , syed irfan mashdi sahab hen , ashraf siyalwi sahab hen . ashraf jalali sahab hen . there r a numbe of muftis . agar ye khud bohut sincere he to kyon nahi iss ne kisi sunni se mil ke inn kufrya ibarat pe discuss nahi kya . bager fitne ko khatam kiye ye kyon mazeed fitne philane men lage hen .???

hm bi yahi keht mr.tariq jameel . ke tum ne geron ki suni ho gi. kabhi kareeb aaate , kabi sunnyion ka kurb hasil kya hota to pata chalta ke inn kufrya ibarat ki waja se ye sunni tum se alag hoi hen. kisi lalach men alag nahi hoi . inn ko koi wizarat nahi mili. balke khatme nabuwat ka itna bara kam bi inhi ke haton se howa he ALHAMDULILLAH . inko deen ka dard he . tum kabhi kareeb aaate to pata chalta tumhen.tum bi un geron pe yakeen kar bhete jin ko madina ke ulma ne alag karne men der bhi nahi lagai.

SARKAR(S.A.W) ki seerat to molana modoodi ne bi bayan ki he phir inn deobanyon ne us pe bar bar kufr ke fatwe lagai hen ??? jis tarhan dyobndi us ko fitna samjhe hen . wese hi hakikat men sunni tamam kufrya bakne walon aur likhne walon ko gustakh samajhte hen. tariq jameel ka bayan men bar bar kehna ke hm to seerat bayan karte hen to angrezon ne bi SARKAR (S.A.W) ki seerat bayan ki he . there r many books written by
english author fazail amal.asal masla he kufrya ibarats .

tariq jameel ne aik baat ye bi kahi ke hm logo ko masajid se bahir nikal diya jata he . masajid dhoi jati hen.to dear tariq jameel and arsha sahab and all other deobandiis

" a hadith mafhom for ur kind information . SARKAR (S.A.W) ne sahabi se farmaya ke agar mera gustakh khana kaba ke ghilaf ke neeche bi nazar aai to us ki gardan ura dena ."

"aik martaba HAZRAT UMER(R.A) NE masjid ke imam ki garden iss liye ura di thi ke wo sirf aik hi sorat ki tilawat karta tha aur wo iss waja se ke us men SARKAR(S.A.W) ki shan kam hoti thi. "

"SAHABA ko to gustakhe RASOOL munafiq se itni nafrat thi ke jab ABDULLAH BIN UBAI ka janaza ka time aya to sahaba chahate hi nahi the ke SARKAR(S.A.W) uski numaz e janaza na parhain. aur ye baat to ALLAH ko bi napasand thi jab hi forun ayat utri aur apko mana kar diya gaya ke aainda ap aisa na karen."

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this is not first time i listened tariq jameel . as i have revealed that i was attached with tableegi jamat in past .so i used to listen him too much .its not a new thing for me.and this bayan which u sent me i have listened from the first word of tariq jameel to the last one. and for ur information i dont afraid to listen any deobandi or wahabi . not only this but also there r several books written by deobandis i studied them on various topics and agaist sunnis too.including ludyanwi's siratemustakeem .
now i tell u how is this bayan which u asked me to listen . meri ye saari baaten ta'asub ke ainak utar ke parhye ga INSHAL ALLAH apko faida ho ga . ok

start me tariq jameel ke alfaz
"logon men agar ikhtilaf he to iss men iman ki kami he ".
takriban 100 ke kareeb dore hazir ke aur mazi ke deoband ulma ne modoodi ke khilaf kufr ka fatwa diya . yahan tak ke ludhyanwi ne yahan tak likha ke "jab bi modoodi ka kalam chalta he to iss men se qadyaniyat ki boo aati he " ye sub kyon howa sirf ikhtilaf ki bunyad pe. beechare tariq jameel ko iss bat ka ilm nahi he. nahi to oper mention ki howi line wo takreer men nahi bolta . ab iss ka matlab ya howa accrding to sentence of tariq jameel jin jayad deobanyon ulmas ne modoodi ko kafar likha wo kam ilam the aur hen and un sab ka iman poora nahi tha balke sub deobandyon ke iman men wazeh kami thi. theek he na mr.arshad sahab . hakikat apke samne he.

tariq jameel ke alfaz
"seena khola gaya aur us men noor bhara gaya ".
ye baqaida hadis bi he. jis bat ki daleel khud tariq jameel de raha he . us ko inn
ke apne wahabyon deobndyon ne hamesha se jhutlaya he hamesha .aur ajtak ye log huzoor ki zat ko noori bashar nahi mante . wese jab bi inn se SARKAR(S.A.W) ke noori bashar hone ka bare men poocha jata he to inhi ke deobandi ulma saaf aik bat karte hen ke .NABI sirf bashar hen.balke deoband kufrya ibarat aik ye bi he ke "NABI hamare jese hen. inn ki izzat aise karo jese bare bhai ki si " "NABI matti men mil ke khatam ho gai " naozubillah (taqwitul iman) .jab ke yahan tariq jameel NABI ko noor khud sabit kar raha he.jese iss ke apne alfaz . "70000 noor ke parde" .

thats why muje jaga jaga ye bayan sunte howe aisa lag raha tha ke yahi wo baten hen jo ulma e ahlesunnat hamesha se bayan
karte aain hen . aur wahabiyno aur deobannyon ne hamesha inn baton ke munkir rahe hen .kyon inn bayanat men saare aqaid hi sunnyon wale hen . deobandi to iss ke munkirin rahe hen . aj se ap 50 sal peeche chale jain aur khud ap log hazrat shafi okarwi , hazrta Allama arshadul qadri,imam ahmad raza khan ki books ,hazrat kokab noorani,hazrat aleem shah sahab , hazrat shah ahmed noorani ,molana ashraf siyalwi , dr.tahir ul qadri .mufti muneeb ur rehman .mufti ashraf jalali etc ko zarur sune aur dekhen k aakhir ye kya ho raha he. awam ko panshane ka ye achi munafkat hath lagi he apne zahir na karo aur dosron ke aqaid ki aar men logon ko deobandy banao.

aj kal tariq jameel aise noor wale bayant , SARKAR(S.A.W) ke milad wale bayanat ,SARKAR (S.A.W) ki paidaish aur milad HAZRAT ADAM ALEH SALAM se bi pehle. SARKAR (S.A.W) ke naam ko HAZRAT ADAM ALEH SALAM ne waseela mana apni toba wali dua men . SARKAR(S.A.W) ka ilm e gaib jo tariq jameel ne wazeh lafzon men sabit kya he aur yahi wo ahadees hen jo ulma ahlesunnat ilm e gaib ki daleel men le ke aate hen. kya afsos nahi he ke khud kehte hen mante hen batate hen phir bi jab jab ye gaib ke alfaz istamal hote hen to ye saare deobandi purani zid pe ajate hen. iss ko hm kya samjhen ke awam ko dhoke men rakha ja raha he . .soim wagera ka ahtimam karna.bar bar shafaat ka bayan karna .kya deobbandyon ne shafat ke munkir nahi ??? jab jab shafaaat ki baat nikal chalti to yahi wahabi depbandi naraz ho jate hen . HAMESHA SARKAR(S.A.W) ki shan hi barhana aur batana ,saari ki saari baton se sirf ahlesunnat barelvi maslak ka aqeeda noor ki tarha chamak raha he. fatwe dekho to sunnyon aur un ke aqaid ke khilaf aur afsos he jab wohi cheez apne ghar se ajai tariq jameel ki takreer ki shikal men to kehte hen ummat ko jor raha he through the way of hypocrisy.

agar ap wese hi sache dil se wese hi sab man lo seedhe tareeke se to kya ummat nahi jure gi???

tariq jameel ajkal hamare aqaid wale bayanat iss liye kar raha he ke logo ko tableegi jamat ki taraf khench sake. bhar men jain inn ke apne akabreen . tariq jameel ke bayanats aur inn ke apne akabreen ke fatwon men zamenn asman ka faraq he . phir bi tariq jameel ka deobandi khelwana kuch aur nahi ahlesnnat ke khilaf bohut bari sazish aur high level ki munafqat he .kyon ke jo banda apne buzurgo ki hi na man saka , jis ke aqaid hi ka pata nahi. wo kese aur kya ummat ko aik kare ga. haan . munafqat se to wakti tor ke koi iss ki barelvi type baton men aake tableegi jamat men shamil ho sakte hen . lekin ghor karo meri tarha us ko jab hakikat ka ilm ho ga to wo inn munafiq deobanyon se kitni nafrat kare ga.

AIK JAGA tariq jameel kehta he ke fazail amal kitab men kya kharabi he ???

zakarya khandalvi writer of tabligi nisab fazail e amal .fazail amal men aik jaga numaz aur tilawat ki shan men bohut bari
be adbi aur ghustakhi ki he ke inhi ke aik bare mufti jin ka taluk punjab multan se he unho ne bi iss ghustakhi pe fatwa diya he k aisa admi kisi tarha be imam banane ki laiq nahi and agar us ki shadi ho gai he to usko kalma parh ke dobara nikah karna ho ga.
"numaz sab se ahem zikr he. is ke arkan men kayam sub se afzal he aur iss ke ander parhi jane wali tilawat sub se ahem afza l he . jo shaks tilawat Quran be samjhe krta he wo bukhar me mubtala ho kr hazyan (hazyan ka matlab bakwas ) bakne wale ki tarha he."
tabligi nisab , fazail e amal ,bab fazail numaz, banam aakhri guzarish .

ulma farmate he TILAWATE QURAN agar be samjhe ho ise bakwas wagera se tashbee dena sarih kufur he.
aur is ka bakne wala daira islam se kharij he. iss kisam ki kitab jis me QURAN TILAWAT ki be hurmati ho us ko
aakhir kese follow kia ja sakta he. jab tableegi aalimo ko inform kya gaya to bajai ke seriously iss pe socha jata.logo
ko inform kya jata ke wakai iss jumle me kufr he iss ko na parha jai . balke hat dharmi se chapa gaya.lekin jese jese
logo ko iss bat ka pata chala to tabligiyon ne ab ja ke apni nai kutub se iss jumle me do char alfaza change kar diye
hen khof se ke iss ghustakhana jumle ka jawab ban nahi pare ga aur log tableegi jamat se bad zan ho ge.
agar ye information tariq jameel ko nahi to uski kamilmi ka hm kya ilaj karen .ghor se dekho fatwa bi dyobandyo ke pas hi se aya he . iss ke ilawa bhi deobandi kufryat pe bohut se deobanyon ne kufr ke fatwe diye hen .thats on record .koi mane ya na mane .

tariq jameel ne sher parha ke "geron se poochte ho kabhi hm se bhi pochte.hm se bi sun lete "
jin ki kitabon se kufryat sabit howe hen wo tariq jamil ke apne hen ya gair hen . iss ka to wo khud hi batai ga .
aadhi bat ki he ke gustakh kon .. na kufryat pe aya , na ismail or nanotwi ka zikr kya ...lagta he haq nawaz jhangwi head of sipahe sahaba ka hashar dekh ke iss ne ibarat ki baat hi nahi ki "MANAZRA E JHANG".

another doubt is that tariq jameel ko pata hi nahi ke asal fitna kis waja se utha howa he . agar pata hota to jese tariq jameel ke aqiad hen to shayad ye bi sunni hota . ab iss kam ilmi ka hum kya karen.

" a hadith mafhom for ur kind information . SARKAR (S.A.W) ne sahabi se farmaya ke agar mera gustakh khana kaba ke ghilaf ke neeche bi nazar aai to us ko gardan ura dena ."

tarik jameel ne kaha ke" dosre musalman ke liye acha guman rakho".
kya ye deobandi wahabi nahi hen jo ahlesunnat pe shirk aur bidat ka ilzam hamesha se lagate aain hen. kya iss tarik jamil ko yad nahi aya ke shirk ka ilzam jo sunnyon pe lagaya ja raha he wo bad gumani he .burai he . ilzam he. sari nasihaten sirf sunnyon ke liye .un deobandyon ke liye koi nasihat nahi jo sunnyon pe na sirf ilzam lagate hen balke masajid pe qabze tak kar lete hen. iss se bari dogli policy aur munafkat kya ho gi.hona to ye chahiye tha ke jab hanfyon ki sub se bari jamat inn deobandyon se naraz he inn ke gahalat aqaid aur kufryat ki waja se to tariq jameel ko serously iss mamle pe ghor karna chahiye ke jo root he usi pe bat ki jai aur ghalat ko immediatly condemn kya jai . harmain sharifain ke secro ulma e karam kya jahil the NAOZUBILLAH . jinho ni inn deobady ibarats pe kufr ke fatwe diye . iss tarha baton ko ghuma phira ke asal hakaik chupane ka kya faida . haq to haq he . dabane se nahi dabta dear arshad sahab .

bar bar iss molvi ne yahi bat ki ke wo geron se sunte rahe . ab pata nahi geron se iss ki kya murad he . agar unho ne geron ki suni to tera dil saaf he .tuje deen se muhabbat he na ke deobandyon se to tu khud un ke pas chala jata . milta kabhi mufti muneeb ur rehman se . lahore hi men itne sunni akabreen hen men dr.sarfraz naeemi sahab hen , syed irfan mashdi sahab hen , ashraf siyalwi sahab hen . ashraf jalali sahab hen . there r a numbe of muftis . agar ye khud bohut sincere he to kyon nahi iss ne kisi sunni se mil ke inn kufrya ibarat pe discuss nahi kya . bager fitne ko khatam kiye ye kyon mazeed fitne philane men lage hen .???

hm bi yahi keht mr.tariq jameel . ke tum ne geron ki suni ho gi. kabhi kareeb aaate , kabi sunnyion ka kurb hasil kya hota to pata chalta ke inn kufrya ibarat ki waja se ye sunni tum se alag hoi hen. kisi lalach men alag nahi hoi . inn ko koi wizarat nahi mili. balke khatme nabuwat ka itna bara kam bi inhi ke haton se howa he ALHAMDULILLAH . inko deen ka dard he . tum kabhi kareeb aaate to pata chalta tumhen.tum bi un geron pe yakeen kar bhete jin ko madina ke ulma ne alag karne men der bhi nahi lagai.

SARKAR(S.A.W) ki seerat to molana modoodi ne bi bayan ki he phir inn deobanyon ne us pe bar bar kufr ke fatwe lagai hen ??? jis tarhan dyobndi us ko fitna samjhe hen . wese hi hakikat men sunni tamam kufrya bakne walon aur likhne walon ko gustakh samajhte hen. tariq jameel ka bayan men bar bar kehna ke hm to seerat bayan karte hen to angrezon ne bi SARKAR (S.A.W) ki seerat bayan ki he . there r many books written by
english author fazail amal.asal masla he kufrya ibarats .

tariq jameel ne aik baat ye bi kahi ke hm logo ko masajid se bahir nikal diya jata he . masajid dhoi jati hen.to dear tariq jameel and arsha sahab and all other deobandiis

" a hadith mafhom for ur kind information . SARKAR (S.A.W) ne sahabi se farmaya ke agar mera gustakh khana kaba ke ghilaf ke neeche bi nazar aai to us ki gardan ura dena ."

"aik martaba HAZRAT UMER(R.A) NE masjid ke imam ki garden iss liye ura di thi ke wo sirf aik hi sorat ki tilawat karta tha aur wo iss waja se ke us men SARKAR(S.A.W) ki shan kam hoti thi. "

"SAHABA ko to gustakhe RASOOL munafiq se itni nafrat thi ke jab ABDULLAH BIN UBAI ka janaza ka time aya to sahaba chahate hi nahi the ke SARKAR(S.A.W) uski numaz e janaza na parhain. aur ye baat to ALLAH ko bi napasand thi jab hi forun ayat utri aur apko mana kar diya gaya ke aainda ap aisa na karen."
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GREAT BAYAN ON MOST IMPORTANT TOPIC

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GREAT BAYAN ON MOST IMPORTANT TOPIC

http://www.siratemustaqeem.net/za/8-bayaan.html?id=innama_anna_basharun_misloKum


Nawab bhai Aslamoalykum

Meray post ka bhi jawab do kiya in ulama ko bhi badmazhab kaho gay jinho nay yeh fatwa diya hay
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Pehli Baat Aap ne jo ye hadith quote ke hai ... is ka hawala do, I want to see this hadith (SARKAR (S.A.W) ne sahabi se farmaya ke agar mera gustakh khana kaba ke ghilaf ke neeche bi nazar aai to us ki gardan ura dena)

Doosri Baat --- Hazoor (saw) aur Sahaba ke zindagi se batao ke kafir, mushrik ya munafiq masjid aya ho aur Masjid Dhoi gai ho, yahan pe UK mein to me ne suna hai ke ghar bhi dothe the, agar hum jaisa koi aap ke ghar chala jata (indian bralevis are even more stricter than you). Aur Masjid se nikalne ki baat, kisi ko masjid se bahir nikalna to insaniyat hi nahi, musalmaniat ko to choro.

Teesri Baat --- Is bayan me kahi ye batao ke Hazoor (saw) ki gustakhi ki ho. Uhud wale waqia me Hazoor (saw) ne mushrikeen ko baddua di ke dua jab aap ke Dant mubarik shaheed hue ... aur taif ke safar me jab aap ko laho luhan kia gia to ap ne baddua di ke dua... aap ne tabligh me waqt lagaya hai taif ka waqia to ap ne parha ho ga.

Chauthi Baat --- Agar Maulana Munafiq ya badmazhab hein, ap log ne un se bayan q karwaya. aur zara us bayan mein apne baro ki bate sunna, ap ki jaga hamare dil me hai, ye ap ka hi stage hi wagera wagera.

Akhri baat --- Ye batao ke Deobandi Bralevi Ikhtilaf kis baat pe he (Aqaid pe ke ibarat pe). Agar aqaid pe to batana wo cheezein jahan pe ikhtilaf hai, Ibarat to hum ne already dekh le hain. Aur bidaat ki tareef karo.

Aur aap ne kaha ke logo ne app pe ghalat ilzam lagaye to aap bhi lagao ge agar sare dozakh mein jaye ge to tum kaho ge ke me ne bhi jana hai.


Agli reply me in paanch baato ke jawab dena, like Answer 1, Answer 2 etc. and then you can say whatever you want after that.
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Spreading islam is Sunnat.. Our Propher Muhammad ( S.A.W ) use to do this
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Assalamilikum friends




i have got a few great most informative full of knowledge speeches .

i hope they would work and help removing differences among all of us .we shall be able to know facts in the light of QURAN AND HADITHS. for this we all r have to listen them very carefully and sincerity.
than we continue further our talks ok.
plz litsten only these bayanats:

http://www.aswatalislam.net/DisplayFilesP.aspx?TitleID=2049&TitleName=Tahir_ul_Qadri


1.ADAB E RASOOL KYA HEN AUR BA ADBI KYA HE.
2.ALAMAT E MUNAFIQ AUR UNKI NAFSIYAT
3.EHMIYAT E MAQAM E RASOOL

thank you
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valiant wrote:
Assalamilikum friends




i have got a few great most informative full of knowledge speeches .

i hope they would work and help removing differences among all of us .we shall be able to know facts in the light of QURAN AND HADITHS. for this we all r have to listen them very carefully and sincerity.
than we continue further our talks ok.
plz litsten only these bayanats:

http://www.aswatalislam.net/DisplayFilesP.aspx?TitleID=2049&TitleName=Tahir_ul_Qadri


1.ADAB E RASOOL KYA HEN AUR BA ADBI KYA HE.
2.ALAMAT E MUNAFIQ AUR UNKI NAFSIYAT
3.EHMIYAT E MAQAM E RASOOL

thank you



Magar Nawab Bhai meray post ka bhi kuch jawab do or us fatwa kay baray main bhi kiya khiyaal hay
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Nawab Bhai... Meere Panch sawalat ke jawab bhi do. Also one more. Is Music halal or haram, if your answer is halal please explain your answer?

Aur Jo bayan aap ne suna tha Tariq Jameel sahib ka, wo to agar koi kafir sunta to wo bhi musalman ho jata magar aap ne us bayan me bhi keere nikale.

Arsalan Bhai ghaib ho gaye nazar nahi aa rahe.

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arshad sahab !

ap ne hadis e mubaraka ka hawala manga tha. jo men ne aik nahi do pesh kar diya hen. jab ki tariq jameel apne bayan men bar bar ye bayan karne ki koshish karta raha ke SARKAR(S.A.W) ne bare bare gustakhon ko mau af kar diya . there r many many hadess in which SARKAR(S.A.W) remain strict and announced death penalty for them. afsos tariq jameel ko ye hadisen nahi milin. wo beechara samajh raha he ke saare gustakh mau af hen .jab ke aisa har giz nahi. ye baat bi achi tarhan yad rakho ke ALLAH ki shan men kisi ne gustakhi ki to us ki phir bi mohallat mili e jesa ke logon ne ALLAH ki shan men ye gustakhi ki ke hazrat ISA ALEH SALAM ko khuda ka beta kaha. issi taraha ke alfazat hazrat maryam ke liye bi kahe . jo ke ALLAH ki shan men khuli gustakhi thi . lekin jab baat aati he bargah e risalat men gustakhi ki to us ke liye hukum bi usi wakt nazil hota he. jese QURAN men he apni awazen neechi rakho . hazoor se aage mat barho . tez mat bolo. etc etc ... isse se pata chalata he ke nabi ki shan men gustakhi karne wale k liye katai katai katai gunjaish nahi.aur ye bhi shareet e usool he ke SARKAR KI shan men gustakhi chahe bhool se ho ya jan boojh k ho , gustakhi ki niyat ho ya na ho ye sub soorten gustakhi ke zamre men jain gi.
aik choti se misal pesh karta hon. imam ghazali (RA) farmate hen jb numaz men ATTAHIYAT parho aur us men jab nabi pe salam parhene ke alfaz aain to tasawur bandh lo ki tum sarkar(S.A.W) KO dekh rahe ho aur salam pesh kar rahe ho. aur ab dosra rukh dekho jis men ismail dehevi ne gustakhi ke saare hudood cross karte howe kya likha he ke numaz men janwar wagera ka khayal sarkar (S.A.W) ke khayal se behter he. afsos ye aise muslaman gustakhon pe .

dosri baat shaby ke liye ke unse guzarish he tariq jameel ke bayan ke bad mere comments dobaraa achi tarha parh len . ho sakta he unko meri baten aik martaba parhne men samajh na aai ho . iss ke ilawa ye mera challenge he tariq jameel hi ki liye mere sawalat ka jawab wo kya us ke jese 300 tariq jameel bhi ajain to jawab nahi de sakte .

and in last shaby sahab ne aik zabardast jhoota fatwa jo manzoor ahmed faizi ke naame se tha wo show kaya he. hm ne direct bahawalpur jamia sharqia pur talks kiye hen. unho bataya ke aisa koi fatwa unho ne issue nahi kya . aur jo fatwa shaby ne show kya he wo mangharat he . hm ne un ke madrasse se jawab fatwa magwaya he. soon im showing u all .
aisa guneghar be hen jo gunah chupane ke liye aisse jhoote gunah karte phirte hen . iss se sunnyon ko koi faraq nahi parhta .
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Kash aap ne kabhi Quran Parha hota.... itne saaf alfaz me likha he ke ke ALLAH shirk ko to muaf nahi farmaye ge baki jise chahe muaf farma de ge.

I am not defending any munafiq or gustakh (favourite and the most used term of my brarelvi brothers). The only thing I am trying to do is to save poor innocent ulama. Ok now I am not quoting Maulana Tariq Jameel, I was trying to find that hadith, I said give me hawala of that hadith, the images are so small, can hardly see them. see the following hadith from bukhari shareef:

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 70:
Narrated 'Abdullah:

When the Verse:--'Those who believe and did not confuse their belief with wrong (worshipping others besides Allah).' (6.82) was revealed, it was hard on the companions of the Prophet and they said, "Who among us has not wronged (oppressed) himself?" Allah's Apostle said, "The meaning of the Verse is not as you think, but it is as Luqman said to his son, 'O my son! Join not in worship others with Allah, Verily! Joining others in worship with Allah is a great wrong indeed.'" (31.13)

ANSWER MY OTHER QUESTIONS AS WELL.



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Volume 9, Book 84, Number 71:
Narrated 'Itban bin Malik:

Once Allah's Apostle came to me in the morning, and a man among us said, "Where is Malik bin Ad-Dukhshun?" Another man from us replied, "He is a hypocrite who does not love Allah and His Apostle." The Prophet said, "Don't you think that he says: None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, only for Allah's sake?" They replied, "Yes" The Prophet said, "Nobody will meet Allah with that saying on the Day of Resurrection, but Allah will save him from the Fire."
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Hazrat ans bin malik(R.A) se riwayat he ke Fatah e makkah ke saal RASOOL(S.A.W) makka men dakhil howe to apke sar e mubarak pe lohe ka khod tha . aik shaks ne aa ke arz kya ke apka gustakh jan bachane ke liye kabe ke pardon se latka howa he.AP(S.A.W) ne farmaya use wahan bi qatal kar do .

(shahih bukhari , shahi muslim , tirmizi shreef ,ahmed bin hamble al masnad,shahih hubban ,tahawi shareef ,tibrani )

Hazrat bin Abbas (R.A) se riwayat he ke aik shaks ne Sarkar(S.A.W) ko galyan din.HUZOOR(S.A.W) ne farmaya kon mere dushman se badla le ga . HAZRAT ZUBAIR(R.A) ne arz ki " men" aur phir medan men nikal kr use qatal kar diya .SARKAR(S.A.W) ne maqtool ke jism ka saman HAZRAT ZUBAIR (R.A) ko de diya .

(sunan alkubra)

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UN LOGO KE LIYE JO QURAN PARH KAR BI GUMRAHI MEN HEN.








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Hawala nahin diya ... hawale ka matlab he vol no , chapter no and page no.

Aur Baaki sawalat ke jawabat...

you said before "ye baat bi achi tarhan yad rakho ke ALLAH ki shan men kisi ne gustakhi ki to us ki phir bi mohallat mili e jesa ke logon ne ALLAH ki shan men ye gustakhi ki ke hazrat ISA ALEH SALAM ko khuda ka beta kaha. issi taraha ke alfazat hazrat maryam ke liye bi kahe . jo ke ALLAH ki shan men khuli gustakhi thi."

Ab ye batao ke ALLAH ne jo Quran me farmaya; mafhoom ke mein jise chaho muaf karo per shirk to muaf nahin karo ga.

Pata nahin aap ko pata he ka nahi, deoband koi firqa nahin ye to aik madrassa hai aur ye loog hanafi hain. Ye jo aap ne upar pages dikhae hein ye to bilkul ap pe fit ata hai... bralevi aik naya firqa hai.. jahan pe bidaat ko theek samjha jata hai

Answer my other questions as well before starting a new discussion.
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hawalon ko aap bari ahmiyat de rahen hen. ke kisi tarhan gustakhon ke liye koi narmi nikal aai deen men.
jab ke men apko pehle hi pics ki shikal men hawalat de chuka hon. jab ke dosri posting men men ne hadis ki books ke naam likh diye the. agar ap ka yahan koi alim ho to ap us se inn hadis ke bare men consult kar sakte hen.

ap ne hamare liye ye kaha ke kash hm achi tarhan quran parh lete. agar yad nahi to apni posting utha ke dekh lena .in reply i sent these some most informative pages . men apko yaqeen se keh sakta hon ke jo tarjume aap parh reahen hen badmazhabon wahabyon ke wo bilkul wohi hen jin men kaafi saari gustakhyan pai gai hen. jabi aaj k quran parhne walon ka ye hal he.ap chahen to tarjuma match kar lena . kash apko inn barikyon ka pata chale and MAKAM E RASOOL ka pata chale . jis ko dekho jahan dil chahta he apni bakwas karta phirta he . koi sirate mustakeem men kufryat bakta he., koi quran ke tarjume men , koi hifzul iman men . etc ....
iss se yad aya ke bhai aap inn kufryat jo inn gustakhon ne baken hen inn ke jawab to de do. ye shirk wali hadis bhej ke ap kufryat se kyyon bhag rahe ho. afsos iss baat ka bi he ke aap jawabat kahan se de sako ge. bare bare nami girami deobandi wahabi manazir kufryat pe koi aik manazra nahi jeet sake . khas kar safdar okarvi deobndi aur haq nwaz jhangwi. phir bi deobandyon ka iman innn kitabon se kam nahi howa. chalo inn ki marzi he... qadyani mirzai shia wagera bhi jawabat quran se nikalte phirte hen to deobandi koi naya kam nahi kar rahe.


ap ne quran ka mafhoom likha he to iss men kya ikhtilafi baat he. bhai samajhne ki koshish karo . u understand incomplete. jab bi ALLAH ki shan men gustakhi howi ALLAH ne us kom ko tabah zarur kya lekin saath tanbihat bi kin apne pyare NABYON ke wasilon se. jab ke jab jab bat aai SARKAR ke namos ki to isss se pehle ke sarkar khud kuch karte baqaida tor pe quran men ayat uter gai. even chote choti baton ke liye bi . jese ke agar sarkar ke aram men khalal araha he to sarkar ne izhar na farmaya balke ayat aa gai ke kahin sarkar sahaba ko jane ka kehne men sharam mehsoos karen ge . ab mere bahai gor karo kahan itni choti baton pe ALLAH ne apne mehboob ka khayal rakha HE . aur kahan ye gustakha munkerin jahil kufryat bakne wale . koi quran men tarjuma karte karte sarkar ko gumrah kehta he. jab ke samajhne ki baat he nabowat milne ke pehle hi se mere sarkar(saw) ameen the ilam wale the. ye bat to kafar achi tarhan samjhte the. lekin ye so called musaman na samajh sake.

app kehte hen deobani firqa nahi . theek he ye nai baat apne batai he. for u r kind information jis tarha deobnd aik madrassa ka naam he issi tarhan deoband aur bareli india men shehron ke naam hen. ye dono jamaten apne apne shehron ke naam se mansoob hen . jese wahab najdi najad se nikla . to wahabi aik firka ban gaya . to dear agar deobandi firqa nahi to jannati bi nahi . kyon ke hadis ka mafhoom he ke aik firqa zauru jannati he. jab deobandi firka hi nahi to jannati bi nahi. understand mr.wahabi ya mr.deobani .

i m giving answer ur all question what ur asking one by one .but what about kufrya ibarats . aik baat aur he choti se guzarish hi samajh len ke kufrya ibarat ka jawabat dene se pehle aap khud bi un pe ghor karen. kyon ke ab tak jo jawabat aai hen wo sirf naam ke jawabat hen .un men kam ki koi baat nahi. be daleel tojihat ka koi faida nahi. anyway . hope u understand .

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wazeh hakaik ko man lo . yahi iman he. warna zid karna iblees ka kam he.
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