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Tableeghi Jamaat theek hay ya nahin


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this thing is on record that how peaceful is tableegi jamat . raiwand hi k ijtima ki misal le lo ke aik bhai jo beechara
in deobandyon ko sunni samajh ke ijtima phonch gaya . wahan us mazloom ne naara lagaya
NAAR A E RISALAT YA RASOOLALLAH . bus in deobandyon ne RASOOLALLAH ke haq men naara sunna that ke us mazloom ko in danda bardaar wahshyon ne mar mar ke adh mowa ka diya. how peaceful they r .
sunni logon ko her waqt shirk bidati najaiz se hi yad karna in peaceful logon ka kam he. aur ye danda bardar khud kesi kese violent tanzeem ke supprter hen . baitullah mahsood , nam nihad taliban , fazlullah mullah umar . ye saare aik
aik he khate chate hen . burai karni ho to inn ko sunni hi milte hen ,. men ne an ginat bayan sune jin men ye log sub sunnyon ke liye shirk shirk karte hen. kabhi kisi ne suna ke tablegi ne baitullah mahsood jo beechare begunah logon ko khud khash balst me killing karte rahete hen . they love these violent people bcoz wo sub ke sub deobandi hi hen . aik hi categories ke jahil tabka he . chahe fazloo deezal ki soorat men ho ya rasheed ahmed gahghhi ya qasim nanotwi ki sooratt menk ho... .... aik bari hakikat jo gustakhana ibarton ki he jis se aaj bhi ye deobandi nazren churate hen aur lagta he in ibarton pe iman lai hen. khud inn ke depbandi ulma and mufti ne in ke hi akabreen ke khilaf kai fatwe de diye hin . aur hakikat inhi logo se aashkar ho gai he, . dekho ALLAH ne dikha diya. inn ki deobani kufria ibarat pe inke hi deobandi muftyon ne fatwi de diye. kash pehle hi ye log madina 150 ulma ke fatwe hi man lete. lekin ziddi iblees ki khaslat he . jo itni asani se nahi jai gi. lekin fatwa zarur mulahiza ho. umeed he haq ko tasleem kya jai and hypocrite munafqeen se door raha jai .


Pyare Nawab ... First let me tell you my name is Arshad... I think you did not read my previous posts properly, this is from Quran and Hadith. Do you accept Quran and Hadith... I beg you please act upon them, if you call your self Aashiq e Rasool, please act upon what he said...
یعنی اگر کسی میں دین یا دنیا کا عیب معلوم ہو تو اس کو مشہور نہ کرنا چاہئے۔ خدا تعالیٰ سب کی بات سنتا ہے اور سب کے کام کو جانتا ہے۔ ہر ایک کو اس کے موافق جزا دے گا۔ اسی کو غیبت کہتے ہیں۔ البتہ مظلوم کو رخصت ہے کہ ظالم کا ظلم لوگوں سے بیان کرے۔ ایسے ہی بعضی اور صورتوں میں بھی غیبت روا ہے اور یہ حکم یہاں شاید اس لئے فرمایا کہ مسلمان کو چاہئے کہ کسی منافق کا نام مشہور نہ کرے اور علی الاعلان اس کو بدنام نہ کرے اس میں وہ بگڑ کر شاید بے باک ہو جائے بلکہ مبہم نصیحت کرے۔ منافق آپ سمجھ لے گا یا تنہائی میں نصیحت کرے۔ اس طرح شاید ہدایت قبول کر لے۔ چنانچہ حضرت محمد ﷺ بھی ایسا ہی کرتے تھے کسی کا نام لے کر مشہور نہیں فرماتے تھے

ف۲ اس آیت میں مظلوم کو معافی کی رغبت دلانی منظور ہے کہ حق تعالیٰ زبردست اور قدرت والا ہو کر خطا والوں کی خطا بخشتا ہے۔ بندہ زیردست عاجز کو تو بطریق اولیٰ دوسروں کا قصور معاف کر دینا چاہئے۔ خلاصہ یہ ہوا کہ مظلوم کو ظالم سے بدلہ لینا جائز ہے مگر افضل یہ ہے کہ صبر کرے اور بخش دے۔ آیت میں اشارہ ہے اس طرف کہ منافقوں کی اصلاح چاہتے ہو تو ان کی ایذا اور شرارت پر صبر کرو اور نرمی اور پردہ سے ان کو سمجھاؤ۔ ظاہر کی طعن اور لعن سے بچو اور کھلا مخالف مت بناؤ۔


and the hadith:


I am trying to explain that the things you are doing are completely against the teachings of Islam by giving fatwas of kufr, sometime you say Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi is kafir, sometime you say Maulan Qasim... I think i will be the 3rd one...

Forget about those who is kafir and who is not... there are so many kafirs in this world.... your responsibilty is to bring them towards Islam not to shout kafir, kafir.

I told you to prove your views/beliefs through the life of Prophet (saw) and the life of sahaba, and that's it please leave those bichara ulamas, they are in the graves now and trust me if ALLAH (swt) had forgiven them, you will be in serious trouble. This post was about tableeghi jamat theek hai ya nahin ... its not about who is kafir and who is not [/img][/img]
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kufr ko kufr kehna iman ki nishani he aur fitne ka ilaj he Reply with quote
salam

Arshad sahab

ur answer is ridiclous that we should follow the teaching of islam . OF COURSE
ALHAMDULILLAH WE r 100% following the teaching of islam . but dear concept in ur mind of teaching of islam changed than us . u say if somebody commits a blunder he is spared . this is ur ideology . as again and again ur say
jab deobandi kehte hen ke hm ne nahi kya ya hamari niya nahi thi. than we should avoid from cursing them.
now arshad sahab ye batao jab m.hussain deobandi ne modoodi ke khilaf kufr ka fatwa diya to modoodi jamate islami wale aj tak kehte hen ke ye ghalat howa . lekin deobandi ajtak kehte hen this is right . ap ka kya khayal he ???
ap shayad ye samajh rahe ho ke kufr ke fatwe ya barelvi huzrat hi lagati hen. to dear ap apni ye ghalat fahmi ho ya khush fahmi ho isko door famalen . aisa bilkul nahi he. ismail dehelvi jis ke liye ye deobandiyo ke akabir rasheed ghanghi kehte hen " wo acha musalman tha . aur us se koi ikhtilaf nahi he . " . islamil dehelvi wahab najdi ka strong follower tha . aur wahab najdi jis ne mazarat per jane walo ,ya RASOOLALLAH kehne walon tamam muslamano pe kufr aur shirk ka fatwa lagaya . jis ka result ye howa ke arab men bari khunrezi bhi howi . ismail dehevi ne bi wahab najdi ko follow karte howe baresageer subcontinent ko tamam logon ko mushrik karar diya jo mazarat pe jate the . waseela mang ka dua karne walon ko sub ko . aur iss najdi ki olad ne sirate mustaqeem kitab men bari bari gustakhiyan kin.
new tell me who started the war . aur janab arshad sahab for ur kind information thanvi ho ya nanotwi ho ya ghangohi koi bi ho plus ye bi dekho ke inn ghustakhon pe fatwi kisi aire gere ne nahi madina and makka ke ulma ne aik bari tahqeek ke bad lagai ta ke ye fitna ruk sake aur SARKAR SALALLAHO ALEH WASSALAM ki mohobbat jo logo ki dilon men he wo qaim bi rahe aur mazeed ye mohabbat barhe. kyon ke taqreeban ghushtakhin jo SARKAR SALLALAHO ALEH WASALLAM ki zat e pak se mutalik hen. sahaba SARKAR SALALLAHO ALEH WASALLAM KI KITNI
tazeem aur izzaat karte the k yahan tak ke jab un pe ghusul farz hota wo apne apko itna kamter samajhte ke SARKAR SALALLAHO ALEH WASSALAM se bat nahi karte the ke ghustakhi ho jai gi. kahin pehel na ho jai , kahi awaz onchi na ho jai . ab aao dosri taraf jahan deobandi ka aqeeda ke NABI ki tazeem aisi jese bare bhai ki. .Nabi ke ilam ki kya takhsis aisa ilam to (naozubilah) janwar pagal majno ko bi he.. iss tarhan ki baten jo direct hamare iman pe attack karti hen. aur jab muslamno ko khula ikhtiyar he ko jab shia ghalat karte hen to unko bi ghalat kaha jata he iss tarha mirza qadyani he . iss tarha pervezi he. ye saare ke ssaaare yehi kehte hen ke hamati niyat nahi .hm ne aisa kuch nahi kya hm musalman he. to dear ap in subko hi apna musalaman bhai banalen ., take aap ke nazdeek firkawaryat ka nazarya wo yahi he ko kehta he men ne nahi kya us ko chore do. but we dont . hamara iman zinda he. aur ab saari hakeekat media pe roshan he. deobnyon aur wahabyon ke kufuryat proved hen . yahan tk ke un ke apne muftis ne bi kufr ka wazeh fatwa de diya he. aur this is a rule of sharia . if somethign is wron say it wrong . agar kufr ko kufr nahi kahen to na kehne wale ka iman bi khatre men par skta he .

plz study all my last posting and plz change ur ideology otherwise ur standing with the most dangerous people as ur suppost and follow them and not saying them wrong even they r proved . ur arguments r supporing now qadyanis and other deviants .

umeed he aap aqaid ki study karen . and burai ko bura kahen yahi iman ki nishani he.

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tumhe kia pata mere aqaid ka, thats the proble with you guys.

You think you know about ones heart and mind that what's in them.

Islam mein maaf, karna, sabar karna, seh jana, pee jana bhi to hai. Koi kafir hai to bas wo kafir hai aur agar koi munafiq hai to munafiq.

Hum apne aap ko musalman samajthe hain magar phir bhi agar aap ko hum kafir ya munafiq ya mushrik lagte to phir Quran ke chate sipara ke wo do ayat phir paro... ALLAH ko pata tha ke aik waqt aisa aye ga ke jab musalman, musalman ko kafir, munafiq kahe ga, isi lye to Quran me bata dya ke un ke sath kaisa muamla karna hai... mere to sirf aap se ye darkhwast hei ke wo karo jo Quran aur hadith me lekha hai... please read them again by scrolling up.

Kyon tum log kafir kafir ki cheekhe marte ho... Please do so constructive work... cheekhe marne se bhi kabhi koi masla hal hua hai.
Are we bigger kafirs then pharaon ... when ALLAH (swt) send Musa (ai) to pharaon. ALLAH said to Musa, to the nearest meaning call him towards me with soft words, with hikmat and baseerat.

Will you try to do the same? please please please.

can you please try to listen to Maulana Tariq Jameel sahib's bayan which he did in bralevi brothers, I have listened to the bayans of your ulama like deoband ka janaza on youtube by Hanif Qureshi... sorry to say but most of the bayans are just accusing a person or a firqa or maslak etc.

I dont think there is a need to prove yourself right and others wrong... do something which we need at the moment, also tell me is this the way to prove yourself right. I personally think if you are right then there is no need to prove yourself right... Just do shukr of ALLAH that he gave you the right path.

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Tamam loogo se guzarish ke jate hai k yeh behes na kabhi khatam hue hai aur na agee shayad hogee...
Deobandi wahabi shia ahle hadees aur deegar badmazhaboo se behes ka koi faida nahi yeh apne akaabere ko nahi choorengee aur hume ala hazrat aur dawateislami mein uljhaa kar iman kharab kareengeee.

Alhamdulellah Maslak-e-Ahlesunnat Ahle Haq hai aur ess ke safai dene ke app ko loogo ko zaroorat nahi hai aur na he jen ko safai de ja rahe hai wo ess qabil hai k unhee bataya jai..

Degaar Gumrah firqo se taluuq rakhne wale agar waqai Ahla Hazrat se dushmani nahi rakhte aur hamare aqaid quran aur hadees ke roshne mein janna chahte hai aur jen aqaid per app ko aiteeraz hai uss ke wazahat chahte hai tu app se guzarish hai k app kese Sunne Aleem se rabtaa karee yaha per koi aleem nahi hai aur na he app hamare baat manee gee so yaha per behes karne ke bejai agar app mein hemmmat hai aur sachai ka samna karna jaante hongee tu app kese Sunni Attari Aleem k pass ja kar sawalat ke bhar maar kareee....

Allah se dua hai k musalmanoo ko sahi rah dekhai aur Maslak-e-Ahlesunnat aur Maslak-e-Berelvee samajhne ke taufiq ataa farmayen aur jo na samjhe uss ka khatama usse badmazha ya gumraah aqaid per hooo...
Ameen Bhejahen Nabiel Amen Sallallaho Alahe Wasallam


Muhammad Arsalan Qadri Razavi Attari !!!
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I think yaha per koi bhi essa nahi hogaa jo kese aleem k paas ja kar sawal karee q k enn ka maqsad na khud ke islah hai na kese aur kee wo tu humee behkaneek leye yeh sab karte hai aur ghoomatee pheerate hai batoon ko enn mein se koi bhi serious nahi leeta ess ko wo chahta hai k jes tarha mein gumrah aur badmazhabeeyat mein hoo esse tarha wo bhi ajai///
so yaha per shayad koi he essa ho jo Aleem se sawal kareen na k forum per gumraahe phelaai...
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Arsalan Sahib... Yar tum logo ko kia ho gya he ... mein tumhe Quran aur Hadith bata raha hoon ... Agar mein bad mazhab hoon. kafir hoon ya mushrik par mein to tumhe Quran aur Haidth bata raha hoon ... mein ye nahi kehta ke meri baat mano ya deobandio ki ya kisi aur ki. per Quran aur Hadith ko to mano. Yar Tum ne wo Famous hadith to suni ho gi:

(to the nearest meaning - Jo Zameen walo pe Raham nahi karta, Asman wala us pe raham nahi karta... Hazoor (saw) ne to janawaro (animals) se bhi acha barto karne ko kaha to phir insaano se kise salook karna chahye... aap khud socho.

on the day of battle of uhud - when Prophet (saw) became injured and when sahaba thought that they will be defeated they asked Prophet to make baddua for kufar, do you know what our Prophet (saw) said (to the nearest meaning)... oh ALLAH forgive them, give them hidayat they dont know, same thing happened in tayeef.

Please read the life of our Prophet, everything is very clear. Our Prophet (saw) was not a zalim, he was Rahmat-ul-LilAlimeen.
I am wondering if your ulama dont mention these stories to you.

Mein tu sirf ye kehta hoon ke ALLAH ke waste Quran aur Hadith ko mano... ALLAH ke waste alahazrat ko Quran aur Haidth se mat takrao.

Dekho yar tumhare apne ulama ne Maulana Tariq Jameel sahib ko apni mehfil mein bulaya, un ko bayan ka moka diya, un ki batein tu suno.
Wo muslamano ko jorte hain, alim to hai he wahi jo ke logo ko aapis me muhabat ka sabaq sikhae na ke nafrat ka...

Hamari waja se apni qabar akhirat kharab mat karo, mein ne pehle bhi kaha ke tum ko nahi pata ke mere dil me imaan hei ke nahi balke kisi ko bhi nahi pata ALLAH ke siwa... To bas agar mere Imaan mein ko masla hai to ALLAH he nipte gain be imaano se, us ayat me bhi kuch yun he hai ke ALLAH janta hai to jab ALLAH janta hai aur us ne ye hukam diya خدا تعالیٰ سب کی بات سنتا ہے اور سب کے کام کو جانتا ہے۔ ہر ایک کو اس کے موافق جزا دے گا۔

to phir aap kyon khudai kamo mein hath marte ho, mere khyal me aap na woh bat nahi sunni:

ALLAH ke kamo mein aur bijli ke taroo mein hath na maro

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ak_akhan wrote:
Arsalan Sahib... Yar tum logo ko kia ho gya he ... mein tumhe Quran aur Hadith bata raha hoon ... Agar mein bad mazhab hoon. kafir hoon ya mushrik par mein to tumhe Quran aur Haidth bata raha hoon ... mein ye nahi kehta ke meri baat mano ya deobandio ki ya kisi aur ki. per Quran aur Hadith ko to mano. Yar Tum ne wo Famous hadith to suni ho gi:

(to the nearest meaning - Jo Zameen walo pe Raham nahi karta, Asman wala us pe raham nahi karta... Hazoor (saw) ne to janawaro (animals) se bhi acha barto karne ko kaha to phir insaano se kise salook karna chahye... aap khud socho.

on the day of battle of uhud - when Prophet (saw) became injured and when sahaba thought that they will be defeated they asked Prophet to make baddua for kufar, do you know what our Prophet (saw) said (to the nearest meaning)... oh ALLAH forgive them, give them hidayat they dont know, same thing happened in tayeef.

Please read the life of our Prophet, everything is very clear. Our Prophet (saw) was not a zalim, he was Rahmat-ul-LilAlimeen.
I am wondering if your ulama dont mention these stories to you.

Mein tu sirf ye kehta hoon ke ALLAH ke waste Quran aur Hadith ko mano... ALLAH ke waste alahazrat ko Quran aur Haidth se mat takrao.

Dekho yar tumhare apne ulama ne Maulana Tariq Jameel sahib ko apni mehfil mein bulaya, un ko bayan ka moka diya, un ki batein tu suno.
Wo muslamano ko jorte hain, alim to hai he wahi jo ke logo ko aapis me muhabat ka sabaq sikhae na ke nafrat ka...

Hamari waja se apni qabar akhirat kharab mat karo, mein ne pehle bhi kaha ke tum ko nahi pata ke mere dil me imaan hei ke nahi balke kisi ko bhi nahi pata ALLAH ke siwa... To bas agar mere Imaan mein ko masla hai to ALLAH he nipte gain be imaano se, us ayat me bhi kuch yun he hai ke ALLAH janta hai to jab ALLAH janta hai aur us ne ye hukam diya خدا تعالیٰ سب کی بات سنتا ہے اور سب کے کام کو جانتا ہے۔ ہر ایک کو اس کے موافق جزا دے گا۔

to phir aap kyon khudai kamo mein hath marte ho, mere khyal me aap na woh bat nahi sunni:

ALLAH ke kamo mein aur bijli ke taroo mein hath na maro



Respected Brother AK Khan Sb.

I am 100% agree with your comments and i am also worried what going on here, and where we are going is this way of Prophet (PBUH) and Sahaba (RA). A brother Shaby has asked a simple question from brother Nawab but i think he has nothing in his defense so he ignore this question. He just asked that agar koi Deo Bandi Nabi (PBUH) ki shaan main gustakhi karay to woh kafir aur badmazhab aur agar koi brelvi alam yeh bakwas karay to yeh sirf "Fazool Posting" hay. In logon main to itna hosla nahin keh apnay alam ki baat ko rad kar sakain aur ghalat ko ghalat keh skain aur sabit karskain keh yeh ashiq-e-Rasool hain aur Ashiq-e-brelviat nahin, but i am sorry to say that they proved that they are Ashiq-e-brelviat instead of Ashiq-e-Rasool.


Allah hum sab apna reham aur karam farmaye.

regards


Shahbaz
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Ummat ko jorne ka claim kab tak .Is pe amal kyon nahi Reply with quote
Assalamolikum
and heavy congratulations at the advent of RAMAZAN UL MABARAK for all
(plz read all carefully).
Shahbaz sahab:
! check all posting from 1st to this 5th one . aur ghor se dekho ke kis kis ne kitne kitne sawalat poochen hen kis kis ne kitne jawabat diye hen. aur jo baten wese hi proved jese ke deobanyon ki kufryat proved by the govt of pak , by 150 ulma e karam of MADINA , by our this media specially by the tongue of shahid masood and hamin meer on GEO . and by the articles wrtten by hamid meer, by the ulmas of bangladesh , by the sunni ulam e karam and that biggest fact by the their own deobandi alims .

ab zara thande demagh se socho ke ye kufriat karne wale kon hen. ashraf ali thanvi , nanotwi and etc .. aur kya ye log deoband maslak ke sutoon nahi hen.agar ke ye koi chote mote alim wagera hote to shayad isko ignore kr diya jata. lekin since they r the pioneer and head and the founder of deobandi maslak than its never been ignorable . inn logon pe deobandi mslak ki bunyad khari he. aur jab base bunyad hi men fault ho to wo maslak kistraha correct ho sakta he. aj ke deobandi logo ko ye baaat bohut achi tarha samajhni chahiye. ke ye ghustakhyan karne wale koi aam log nahi the balke jin logo pe pooore deoband ki building khari he wo hi asal fasad ki jarr he. aur jab koi aisa ghalat kam kisi akabir se ho to wo qabile grift hota he kyon ke poora maslak hi uspe khara he . aaj ke deobandi kitna hi kitna hi inn kufryat ko ignore kr ke dunya ke saare ache se acha kam kar den lekin aj se 100 sal pehle bi wahabiyon deobanyon ka jawab hona parta tha aj bi inhi logo ko jawab dena he. this thing will not come to an end after our generation . next generation will also fight on this cause. aur aj se 100 bad bi ye deobandiyon ko inn kufriyat ka jawab dena he. jo inn beecharon ke pass nahi he.aur jawab bi hamesha wohi deta he jo proved hota he. above i have mentioned that kisi aik chote mote admi ka fatwa nahi hy balke strong facts hen. KHUDA KE LIYE INN PE GHOR KARO AUR APNI AGLI NASAL KO BACHAO. last couple days ago i posted a mail in which qasim nanotwi ne aik sher likha jo unki kitab kitab qasaid e qasmi sse liya gaya . us sher pe inhi deobandi ulma kese kese fatwi issue kar diye. .. .. .. behter to ye tha ke spcially brother shahbaz and brother arshad iss bat pe fikr karte iss cheeze ko samajhte balke ulta iss ko ignore kar ke wohi jahilon wali baten ke ye firka waryat kyon barha rahe ho. aur maze baat ye he ke jab bi koi kufriya ibarat sabit ho jati he to samne wala foun dharke se kehta he ke muje deobani mat kaho men to sirf musalman hoon.oper se neeche from 1st to last posting strongly supporting wahabis and now when things proved than directly maslak changed . AGAR Ap logo ki ye soch he ke kisi ko bura mat kaho to shia aur mirza qadyani etc se bi mulakaten kar lya karo . apke nazdeek to wo bare motabar ho gen. wo bi yahi kehte hen ke hum bi muslamn hen .hamen bi accept kya jai hm firka waryat nahi phelate hm fatwe issur nahi karte . understand shabaz sahab . ab aage chalte hen ....in my last posting i had cleared that perhaps ur knowledge pose u tht suuni issue fatwas but any body else. on this i wrote ...but no response on this issue came and i know nithing would come . jamate islami wale beechare aaj bi kehte hen moododi pe deobanyon ne kufr ka fatwa ghalat lagaya. but still deobandi from banoria say that not to even follow israr ahmed . he follows ideology of moddoodi.

umeed he meri ye baten ghor se parhi ja rahi hen. specially for shahbaz sahab and shaby
Arshad sahaba kehte hen ke sirf hm quran se baat karte hen jese dosron ne quran o hadis nahi parhi . kya khayal he???..
aik martaba SARKAR SALALLAHO ALEH WASALLAM ne yaman ke liye dua farmai . najad ke logo ne kaha ke hamare jajad ke liye dua kijye app ne saaf alfaz men ye keh ke mana kar diya ke yahan se fitna uthe ga. (HADIS)
aur dosri baat ke SARKAR ne kufar ke liye bad dua nahi ki to wahan hikmat thi bad dua us ka hal nahi tha aap (S.A.W)kuch aur dekh rahe the . jab ke yahan unlogo ke liye dua tak nahi ki jo fitna phelain ge. thats cleared now .

SHAHBAZ sahab ne kaha ke men ne arshad sahab ki baat ka jawab nahi diya .kash ye log meri postings ghor se parhen .
arshad ne jo pasting ki maharat dikhai iss men koi baat proved nahi . jab ke men ne forun hi jawab diya tha ke jo baaaten pasting ki gai hen . sirf aur sirf apni kufriyat ko chupane ke gharz se ki gai hen. kyon ke in sub baton pe aik bohut bara manazra ho chauka he . sapaha sahaba ke head haq nwaza jhangwi aur molana ashraf siyalwi ke darmiyan .mozzooo ye kufria ibarat . ye aik historical manazrat jo baqaida govt officer and court ki nigrani men howa. aur govt hi ne iss manazre ki permission de thi. aur faisla bi court ke judge ne kya tha. dono janib se jo jo kufriya ibarat theen wo lain gain . phir us pe ail lamba manazra chalaa . jis ka faila ALHAMDULILLAH ashraf siyalwi sahab sunnyon ke haq men howa. jis manazre ki cassets aur books bi publish howi hen.
ye sub baten haq nawaz manazre men le ke aya tha jin pe kisi bi alim ka yaahan tak ke kisi deobandi alim tak ka fatwa nahi laga . aur ye sub baten wahan fuzool sabit howin. soon i shall upload it so u could see it ur own eyes. aur ALHAMDULILLAH ashraf siyalwi sahab ne sub baton ke itminan bukhs jawabat diye the . judges ne jin ko accept kya ...

kash ab bi baat kuch samajh aajai RAMAZAN ki barkat se . bhai shaby ne aik martaba kaha ke tariq jameel barelyon ko bahi akehta he . i know and i accepted it we admitted it . ke tariq jameel kisi ikhtilaf ki bat nahi karta .wo aman ki baat karta he. men khud tableegi jamat men raha ho. aur men ne bi tariq jameel ko suna he. ye to theek he ke wo zaban se barelvyon ko bhai kehta he. wo chahta he k sub aik ho jain. men shro hi se keh raha hon ke naraz hamesha wo hota he jis ko aitraz hota he . yahan aitraz deobanyon ko nahi kufriaya ibarat ki waha se sunnyon ko he. agar wakai tariq jameel chahtaa he ke sub aik ho jain to iss ko chahiye ke pehle ye ghor kare ke issues kkya hen. un issues ko khatam kare agar wo ummat ko jorna chahta he to . agar ye deobndi chahte hen ke sub aik ho jain to my brothers ye sunni bi yahi chahte hen . aik bartaba jang group ne aik forum manakid kya us men sub ulma ko bulaya jis ka mozoon tha ." firka waryat kese khatam ho" us forum men saare maslak ke log the spcially deobandi and sunni . dr israr . dr .tahir ul qadri . haji hanif tayab and other renown respected sholoers from deoband.wahan sunnyon ne saaf clear bat ki ke asal dispute he kufriay ibarat . agar ajj ye deobandi inn kufriayat ko nikal bahir karen , aur un logo se taluk toren to inn deobandyon ke pehli saaf me koi aur nahi ye sunni hi hon ge. aur brothers all want this peace .
i m witness of many sunni scholers weeping on stages due to this dispute . im witness tariq jameel weep many times being dispart . ab iss masle ka hal mere nazdeek deobanyon ke haath men he. aaj agar ye tariq jameel aur doste ulma uth kahare hon aur danke ki chote pe elan kar den ke agar sunni bhayon ko hm se ye shikwa he . hm se ye narazgi he to hm ALLAH AUR USKE RASOOL (S.A.W) ki khatir apne akabreen ki kufriyat se nafrat karte hen. hm chahte hen ke dawateislami , tableegi jamat ,minhajul uran aur sosri saari IMAM E AZAM ko manne wali tanzeemen mil ke deen ka kam karen . aur sub se bara mazhab bi IMAM E AZAM ka he .
kash ye deobandi aaj bi aisa kuch karen aur ummmat ko jorne ki baten karne wale dil se iss bat pe amal kar ke dikhanin . baten to bohur logo ne ki hen . lekin amal kon karta he . jo ummat ko jorne ka claim karte hen un pe ye lazim bi he ke issues ko dekha jai un ko samajhdari se addressed bi kya jai. aur men kya kya likhon doston , dil ki baten kabhi zuban pe ajati hen. ap sub ko ramazan mubarak ho .ALLAH RAMZAN KE SADKE HAMEN JURNE KE TOFIQ ATA FARMAIN . AMEEN .


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Assalamolikum
and heavy congratulations at the advent of RAMAZAN UL MABARAK for all

Shahbaz sahab
! check all posting from 1st to this 5th one . aur ghor se dekho ke kis kis ne kitne kitne sawalat poochen hen kis kis ne kitne jawabat diye hen. aur jo baten wese hi proved jese ke deobanyon ki kufryat proved by the govt of pak , by 150 ulma e karam of MADINA , by our this media specially by the tongue of shahid masood and hamin meer on GEO . and by the articles wrtten by hamid meer, by the ulmas of bangladesh , by the sunni ulam e karam and that biggest fact by the their own deobandi alims .

ab zara thande demagh se socho ke ye kufriat karne wale kon hen. ashraf ali thanvi , nanotwi and etc .. aur kya ye log deoband maslak ke sutoon nahi hen.agar ke ye koi chote mote alim wagera hote to shayad isko ignore kr diya jata. lekin since they r the pioneer and head and the founder of deobandi maslak than its never been ignorable . inn logon pe deobandi mslak ki bunyad khari he. aur jab base bunyad hi men fault ho to wo maslak kistraha correct ho sakta he. aj ke deobandi logo ko ye baaat bohut achi tarha samajhni chahiye. ke ye ghustakhyan karne wale koi aam log nahi the balke jin logo pe pooore deoband ki building khari he wo hi asal fasad ki jarr he. aur jab koi aisa ghalat kam kisi akabir se ho to wo qabile grift hota he kyon ke poora maslak hi uspe khara he . aaj ke deobandi kitna hi kitna hi inn kufryat ko ignore kr ke dunya ke saare ache se acha kam kar den lekin aj se 100 sal pehle bi wahabiyon deobanyon ka jawab hona parta tha aj bi inhi logo ko jawab dena he. this thing will not come to an end after our generation . next generation will also fight on this cause. aur aj se 100 bad bi ye deobandiyon ko inn kufriyat ka jawab dena he. jo inn beecharon ke pass nahi he.aur jawab bi hamesha wohi deta he jo proved hota he. above i have mentioned that kisi aik chote mote admi ka fatwa nahi hy balke strong facts hen. KHUDA KE LIYE INN PE GHOR KARO AUR APNI AGLI NASAL KO BACHAO. last couple days ago i posted a mail in which qasim nanotwi ne aik sher likha jo unki kitab kitab qasaid e qasmi sse liya gaya . us sher pe inhi deobandi ulma kese kese fatwi issue kar diye. .. .. .. behter to ye tha ke spcially brother shahbaz and brother arshad iss bat pe fikr karte iss cheeze ko samajhte balke ulta iss ko ignore kar ke wohi jahilon wali baten ke ye firka waryat kyon barha rahe ho. aur maze baat ye he ke jab bi koi kufriya ibarat sabit ho jati he to samne wala foun dharke se kehta he ke muje deobani mat kaho men to sirf musalman hoon.oper se neeche from 1st to last posting strongly supporting wahabis and now when things proved than directly maslak changed . AGAR Ap logo ki ye soch he ke kisi ko bura mat kaho to shia aur mirza qadyani etc se bi mulakaten kar lya karo . apke nazdeek to wo bare motabar ho gen. wo bi yahi kehte hen ke hum bi muslamn hen .hamen bi accept kya jai hm firka waryat nahi phelate hm fatwe issur nahi karte . understand shabaz sahab . ab aage chalte hen ....in my last posting i had cleared that perhaps ur knowledge pose u tht suuni issue fatwas but any body else. on this i wrote ...but no response on this issue came and i know nithing would come . jamate islami wale beechare aaj bi kehte hen moododi pe deobanyon ne kufr ka fatwa ghalat lagaya. but still deobandi from banoria say that not to even follow israr ahmed . he follows ideology of moddoodi.

umeed he meri ye baten ghor se parhi ja rahi hen. specially for shahbaz sahab and shaby
Arshad sahaba kehte hen ke sirf hm quran se baat karte hen jese dosron ne quran o hadis nahi parhi . kya khayal he???..
aik martaba SARKAR SALALLAHO ALEH WASALLAM ne yaman ke liye dua farmai . najad ke logo ne kaha ke hamare jajad ke liye dua kijye app ne saaf alfaz men ye keh ke mana kar diya ke yahan se fitna uthe ga. (HADIS)
aur dosri baat ke SARKAR ne kufar ke liye bad dua nahi ki to wahan hikmat thi bad dua us ka hal nahi tha aap (S.A.W)kuch aur dekh rahe the . jab ke yahan unlogo ke liye dua tak nahi ki jo fitna phelain ge. thats cleared now .

SHAHBAZ sahab ne kaha ke men ne arshad sahab ki baat ka jawab nahi diya .kash ye log meri postings ghor se parhen .
arshad ne jo pasting ki maharat dikhai iss men koi baat proved nahi . jab ke men ne forun hi jawab diya tha ke jo baaaten pasting ki gai hen . sirf aur sirf apni kufriyat ko chupane ke gharz se ki gai hen. kyon ke in sub baton pe aik bohut bara manazra ho chauka he . sapaha sahaba ke head haq nwaza jhangwi aur molana ashraf siyalwi ke darmiyan .mozzooo ye kufria ibarat . ye aik historical manazrat jo baqaida govt officer and court ki nigrani men howa. aur govt hi ne iss manazre ki permission de thi. aur faisla bi court ke judge ne kya tha. dono janib se jo jo kufriya ibarat theen wo lain gain . phir us pe ail lamba manazra chalaa . jis ka faila ALHAMDULILLAH ashraf siyalwi sahab sunnyon ke haq men howa. jis manazre ki cassets aur books bi publish howi hen.
ye sub baten haq nawaz manazre men le ke aya tha jin pe kisi bi alim ka yaahan tak ke kisi deobandi alim tak ka fatwa nahi laga . aur ye sub baten wahan fuzool sabit howin. soon i shall upload it so u could see it ur own eyes. aur ALHAMDULILLAH ashraf siyalwi sahab ne sub baton ke itminan bukhs jawabat diye the . judges ne jin ko accept kya ...

kash ab bi baat kuch samajh aajai RAMAZAN ki barkat se . bhai shaby ne aik martaba kaha ke tariq jameel barelyon ko bahi akehta he . i know and i accepted it we admitted it . ke tariq jameel kisi ikhtilaf ki bat nahi karta .wo aman ki baat karta he. men khud tableegi jamat men raha ho. aur men ne bi tariq jameel ko suna he. ye to theek he ke wo zaban se barelvyon ko bhai kehta he. wo chahta he k sub aik ho jain. men shro hi se keh raha hon ke naraz hamesha wo hota he jis ko aitraz hota he . yahan aitraz deobanyon ko nahi kufriaya ibarat ki waha se sunnyon ko he. agar wakai tariq jameel chahtaa he ke sub aik ho jain to iss ko chahiye ke pehle ye ghor kare ke issues kkya hen. un issues ko khatam kare agar wo ummat ko jorna chahta he to . agar ye deobndi chahte hen ke sub aik ho jain to my brothers ye sunni bi yahi chahte hen . aik bartaba jang group ne aik forum manakid kya us men sub ulma ko bulaya jis ka mozoon tha ." firka waryat kese khatam ho" us forum men saare maslak ke log the spcially deobandi and sunni . dr israr . dr .tahir ul qadri . haji hanif tayab and other renown respected sholoers from deoband.wahan sunnyon ne saaf clear bat ki ke asal dispute he kufriay ibarat . agar ajj ye deobandi inn kufriayat ko nikal bahir karen , aur un logo se taluk toren to inn deobandyon ke pehli saaf me koi aur nahi ye sunni hi hon ge. aur brothers all want this peace .
i m witness of many sunni scholers weeping on stages due to this dispute . im witness tariq jameel weep many times being dispart . ab iss masle ka hal mere nazdeek deobanyon ke haath men he. aaj agar ye tariq jameel aur doste ulma uth kahare hon aur danke ki chote pe elan kar den ke agar sunni bhayon ko hm se ye shikwa he . hm se ye narazgi he to hm ALLAH AUR USKE RASOOL (S.A.W) ki khatir apne akabreen ki kufriyat se nafrat karte hen. hm chahte hen ke dawateislami , tableegi jamat ,minhajul uran aur sosri saari IMAM E AZAM ko manne wali tanzeemen mil ke deen ka kam karen . aur sub se bara mazhab bi IMAM E AZAM ka he .
kash ye deobandi aaj bi aisa kuch karen aur ummmat ko jorne ki baten karne wale dil se iss bat pe amal kar ke dikhanin . baten to bohur logo ne ki hen . lekin amal kon karta he . jo ummat ko jorne ka claim karte hen un pe ye lazim bi he ke issues ko dekha jai un ko samajhdari se addressed bi kya jai. aur men kya kya likhon doston , dil ki baten kabhi zuban pe ajati hen. ap sub ko ramazan mubarak ho .ALLAH RAMZAN KE SADKE HAMEN JURNE KE TOFIQ ATA FARMAIN . AMEEN .



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Re: Ummat ko jorne ka claim kab tak .Is pe amal kyon nahi Reply with quote
valiant wrote:
Assalamolikum
and heavy congratulations at the advent of RAMAZAN UL MABARAK for all
(plz read all carefully).
Shahbaz sahab:
! check all posting from 1st to this 5th one . aur ghor se dekho ke kis kis ne kitne kitne sawalat poochen hen kis kis ne kitne jawabat diye hen. aur jo baten wese hi proved jese ke deobanyon ki kufryat proved by the govt of pak , by 150 ulma e karam of MADINA , by our this media specially by the tongue of shahid masood and hamin meer on GEO . and by the articles wrtten by hamid meer, by the ulmas of bangladesh , by the sunni ulam e karam and that biggest fact by the their own deobandi alims .

ab zara thande demagh se socho ke ye kufriat karne wale kon hen. ashraf ali thanvi , nanotwi and etc .. aur kya ye log deoband maslak ke sutoon nahi hen.agar ke ye koi chote mote alim wagera hote to shayad isko ignore kr diya jata. lekin since they r the pioneer and head and the founder of deobandi maslak than its never been ignorable . inn logon pe deobandi mslak ki bunyad khari he. aur jab base bunyad hi men fault ho to wo maslak kistraha correct ho sakta he. aj ke deobandi logo ko ye baaat bohut achi tarha samajhni chahiye. ke ye ghustakhyan karne wale koi aam log nahi the balke jin logo pe pooore deoband ki building khari he wo hi asal fasad ki jarr he. aur jab koi aisa ghalat kam kisi akabir se ho to wo qabile grift hota he kyon ke poora maslak hi uspe khara he . aaj ke deobandi kitna hi kitna hi inn kufryat ko ignore kr ke dunya ke saare ache se acha kam kar den lekin aj se 100 sal pehle bi wahabiyon deobanyon ka jawab hona parta tha aj bi inhi logo ko jawab dena he. this thing will not come to an end after our generation . next generation will also fight on this cause. aur aj se 100 bad bi ye deobandiyon ko inn kufriyat ka jawab dena he. jo inn beecharon ke pass nahi he.aur jawab bi hamesha wohi deta he jo proved hota he. above i have mentioned that kisi aik chote mote admi ka fatwa nahi hy balke strong facts hen. KHUDA KE LIYE INN PE GHOR KARO AUR APNI AGLI NASAL KO BACHAO. last couple days ago i posted a mail in which qasim nanotwi ne aik sher likha jo unki kitab kitab qasaid e qasmi sse liya gaya . us sher pe inhi deobandi ulma kese kese fatwi issue kar diye. .. .. .. behter to ye tha ke spcially brother shahbaz and brother arshad iss bat pe fikr karte iss cheeze ko samajhte balke ulta iss ko ignore kar ke wohi jahilon wali baten ke ye firka waryat kyon barha rahe ho. aur maze baat ye he ke jab bi koi kufriya ibarat sabit ho jati he to samne wala foun dharke se kehta he ke muje deobani mat kaho men to sirf musalman hoon.oper se neeche from 1st to last posting strongly supporting wahabis and now when things proved than directly maslak changed . AGAR Ap logo ki ye soch he ke kisi ko bura mat kaho to shia aur mirza qadyani etc se bi mulakaten kar lya karo . apke nazdeek to wo bare motabar ho gen. wo bi yahi kehte hen ke hum bi muslamn hen .hamen bi accept kya jai hm firka waryat nahi phelate hm fatwe issur nahi karte . understand shabaz sahab . ab aage chalte hen ....in my last posting i had cleared that perhaps ur knowledge pose u tht suuni issue fatwas but any body else. on this i wrote ...but no response on this issue came and i know nithing would come . jamate islami wale beechare aaj bi kehte hen moododi pe deobanyon ne kufr ka fatwa ghalat lagaya. but still deobandi from banoria say that not to even follow israr ahmed . he follows ideology of moddoodi.

umeed he meri ye baten ghor se parhi ja rahi hen. specially for shahbaz sahab and shaby
Arshad sahaba kehte hen ke sirf hm quran se baat karte hen jese dosron ne quran o hadis nahi parhi . kya khayal he???..
aik martaba SARKAR SALALLAHO ALEH WASALLAM ne yaman ke liye dua farmai . najad ke logo ne kaha ke hamare jajad ke liye dua kijye app ne saaf alfaz men ye keh ke mana kar diya ke yahan se fitna uthe ga. (HADIS)
aur dosri baat ke SARKAR ne kufar ke liye bad dua nahi ki to wahan hikmat thi bad dua us ka hal nahi tha aap (S.A.W)kuch aur dekh rahe the . jab ke yahan unlogo ke liye dua tak nahi ki jo fitna phelain ge. thats cleared now .

SHAHBAZ sahab ne kaha ke men ne arshad sahab ki baat ka jawab nahi diya .kash ye log meri postings ghor se parhen .
arshad ne jo pasting ki maharat dikhai iss men koi baat proved nahi . jab ke men ne forun hi jawab diya tha ke jo baaaten pasting ki gai hen . sirf aur sirf apni kufriyat ko chupane ke gharz se ki gai hen. kyon ke in sub baton pe aik bohut bara manazra ho chauka he . sapaha sahaba ke head haq nwaza jhangwi aur molana ashraf siyalwi ke darmiyan .mozzooo ye kufria ibarat . ye aik historical manazrat jo baqaida govt officer and court ki nigrani men howa. aur govt hi ne iss manazre ki permission de thi. aur faisla bi court ke judge ne kya tha. dono janib se jo jo kufriya ibarat theen wo lain gain . phir us pe ail lamba manazra chalaa . jis ka faila ALHAMDULILLAH ashraf siyalwi sahab sunnyon ke haq men howa. jis manazre ki cassets aur books bi publish howi hen.
ye sub baten haq nawaz manazre men le ke aya tha jin pe kisi bi alim ka yaahan tak ke kisi deobandi alim tak ka fatwa nahi laga . aur ye sub baten wahan fuzool sabit howin. soon i shall upload it so u could see it ur own eyes. aur ALHAMDULILLAH ashraf siyalwi sahab ne sub baton ke itminan bukhs jawabat diye the . judges ne jin ko accept kya ...

kash ab bi baat kuch samajh aajai RAMAZAN ki barkat se . bhai shaby ne aik martaba kaha ke tariq jameel barelyon ko bahi akehta he . i know and i accepted it we admitted it . ke tariq jameel kisi ikhtilaf ki bat nahi karta .wo aman ki baat karta he. men khud tableegi jamat men raha ho. aur men ne bi tariq jameel ko suna he. ye to theek he ke wo zaban se barelvyon ko bhai kehta he. wo chahta he k sub aik ho jain. men shro hi se keh raha hon ke naraz hamesha wo hota he jis ko aitraz hota he . yahan aitraz deobanyon ko nahi kufriaya ibarat ki waha se sunnyon ko he. agar wakai tariq jameel chahtaa he ke sub aik ho jain to iss ko chahiye ke pehle ye ghor kare ke issues kkya hen. un issues ko khatam kare agar wo ummat ko jorna chahta he to . agar ye deobndi chahte hen ke sub aik ho jain to my brothers ye sunni bi yahi chahte hen . aik bartaba jang group ne aik forum manakid kya us men sub ulma ko bulaya jis ka mozoon tha ." firka waryat kese khatam ho" us forum men saare maslak ke log the spcially deobandi and sunni . dr israr . dr .tahir ul qadri . haji hanif tayab and other renown respected sholoers from deoband.wahan sunnyon ne saaf clear bat ki ke asal dispute he kufriay ibarat . agar ajj ye deobandi inn kufriayat ko nikal bahir karen , aur un logo se taluk toren to inn deobandyon ke pehli saaf me koi aur nahi ye sunni hi hon ge. aur brothers all want this peace .
i m witness of many sunni scholers weeping on stages due to this dispute . im witness tariq jameel weep many times being dispart . ab iss masle ka hal mere nazdeek deobanyon ke haath men he. aaj agar ye tariq jameel aur doste ulma uth kahare hon aur danke ki chote pe elan kar den ke agar sunni bhayon ko hm se ye shikwa he . hm se ye narazgi he to hm ALLAH AUR USKE RASOOL (S.A.W) ki khatir apne akabreen ki kufriyat se nafrat karte hen. hm chahte hen ke dawateislami , tableegi jamat ,minhajul uran aur sosri saari IMAM E AZAM ko manne wali tanzeemen mil ke deen ka kam karen . aur sub se bara mazhab bi IMAM E AZAM ka he .
kash ye deobandi aaj bi aisa kuch karen aur ummmat ko jorne ki baten karne wale dil se iss bat pe amal kar ke dikhanin . baten to bohur logo ne ki hen . lekin amal kon karta he . jo ummat ko jorne ka claim karte hen un pe ye lazim bi he ke issues ko dekha jai un ko samajhdari se addressed bi kya jai. aur men kya kya likhon doston , dil ki baten kabhi zuban pe ajati hen. ap sub ko ramazan mubarak ho .ALLAH RAMZAN KE SADKE HAMEN JURNE KE TOFIQ ATA FARMAIN . AMEEN .


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Dear Brother Nawab

Aslamoalykum

First of all i wish you a happy RAMADAN with a pray that may Allah give you and me and all of us all the BARAKAH of this HOLY MONTH RAMADAN. And with the request that please remember me and all the Muslims in your's special RAMADAN prayers.


Allah ka Shukar hay keh aap nay bhi ummat kay ittehad ki baat ki. Main bhi to pehlay din say yehi baat keh raha hoon keh please is firqa wariat ko choro, aik muslim honay par fakhar karo. Laikin mujhe aap say aik shikwa hay keh main nay kabhi bhi apni kisi post main Brelvi akabreen ko kabhi bura bhala nahin kaha na hi kabhi ulama Deoband ka diffa (defend) kiya hay, qk as i said i have no concern with any sect please do note it. but you always criticized deobandi ulama and tableeghi Jamaat for the reason that kuch Akabreen Deoband nay kuch Bakwasat ki hain to meray piyaray bhai meri sirf yeh arz hay keh being a Muslim you have to be optimistic and Khush Gumaan about other muslims because if you read the books from the deobandi ulama they totaly denied this Bakwas or give some arguments against this allegations. And i also said if any muslim do not love with Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) he is not a human nor a muslim, please do Note this also, agar koi nabi Muhammad (PBUH) say mohabbat nahin karta wo to insaan kehlaanay kay qabil bhi nahin hay. laikin agar koi is bakwas ka inkaar karay aur is say brrat ka eelaan karay to yaar hamain us par aitbaar karna chaye.

In my first or second post i have written that both the jamaaats (Tableeghi Jammaaat and Dawat-e-Islami) are doing same work for the betterment in eemaan and aqeeda and other daily routeen of a muslim. so both are doing a good job.
My reply was as under

"Aslamoalykum
the topic is very interested and very thoughtfull.
in my opinion both Jamaats are working in same pattron and have same parameteres/guidlines.
they have also same procedure, like Seh Roza (3 Days), Chilla (40 Days), and Chaar Mahina.
but one thing is i think is plus point of Tableeghi Jamaat which is no publicity of their annual Ijtimaa or other regular ijtamaas. As they think that people should be informed about any religiouse meetings through the way of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and His Companions (Sahaba Karam R.A) and their way was through Seena Gazzett.
Apart from that no publication and no publicity is made by the tableeghi jamaat.

One think i must say that founder of Tableeghi Jamaat Hazrat Mulana Ilyas (Rehmatulla Alieh) started this jamaat's activities after a seeing Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in a dream.
He (Muhammad PBUH) said that " a ilyas hum tujh say aik bohat bara kaam laingain"
Ilyas was afraid and went to his teacher(Shiekh) and told about the dream and said " main to bohat kamzor hoon kaisay itna bara kaam karoonga" .
he replied that.
Muhammad (PBUH) nay kaha hay hum tujh say aik bohat bara kaam laingain yeh nahin kaha keh tum yeh kaam karo gay, isleeye preshan na ho jis nay kaam laina hay woh lay laga.

but in the end i must say that both are working for the betterment of our eeman apart from this discussion we all try to adopt the way of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and His Companion.
Allah hum sab ko Sacha Aashiq Rasool (PBUH) aur ashiq-e- Sahaba bannay ki tofeeq day.
Duaaon ka talabgar
Shahbaz"


you will find my post in the topic
"tablighi jamaat , dawat e islami"

Brother this is my request please stop blaming and criticized others and if possible pray for other.

May Allah bless you and all of us in this Holy month.

Duaaon ka talabgaar

Shahbaz


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MASHAALLAH NAWAB BHAI.....

AP NE EK BEHTAREEN AUR ACHE ANDAZ SE UMMAT KO JORNE KA SOLUTION BATAYA AUR YEH HAQEEQAT HAI KE IN DEOBANDION KO APNI ANAA KO KHATM KAR KE AUR HAQEEQAT KO ACCEPT KAR KE AAGE BARHNA CHAHYE AUR SAHI MEANING MA UMMAT KO JORNA CHAHYE AUR YEH DISCUSSION TU MANY TIMES DEOBANDION AUR SUNNION EK BARE BARE ULEMA KRAM KE DARMIYAN BHI HOI AUR WAHAN PAR BHI SUNNION NE REQUEST KI DEOBANDION SE KE KHUDA KE LIYE AISI GUSTAKHION KA DEFEND NA KARO AUR IN KUFRIYAT KO APNI KITAABO SE KHATM KARDO PAR YEH LOG NAHI MANTE YEH STILL DEFEND KARTE HAIN SHEHBAZ BHAI AUR YEH GALAT NAHI KEHTE APNE AKABIR KO...I M AGAIN SAYING HAMARE IMAAN KA MASLA HAI ZARA SOCHO AGAR HUM GALAT NA KAHE GUSTAKHI KO TU PHIR KIYA JAWAB DE GE KIYAMAT KE DIN..NAWAB BHAI AP YEH SAMAJHTE HAIN KE AP KE KEHNE SE YEH LOG MAAN JYAE PAR MUJHE NAHI LAGTA KE YEH LOG MAANE GE PAR UMEED TU KI JA SAKTI HAI......PLZ THINK ABUT IT....
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Aslama alekum. topic kahan se kahan pahunch gaya abhi to sahbly bahye ne thora namona piesh kiya in ki hawa nikal gaye. bahut se kufriyat ala hazrat ke hien jin ko parhte parhte pata chal jaye ga ke ala hazrat kafir ya bad madhab to nahi no dought woh he.
aru reh gaye arsalan ki bat jo kabron ko rota phirta he jo ke fake he fake jhoti madni munne. sahrem kar aru me bataoon jo darame baz ilyas padri duniya ka sub se bara jhotta he aru darame baz he. madni cahnell me jhota rona aru sahkel dkeho insan hi nahi lagta makrooh chere wale jsi ko biyan ka kaho to rat bahr tiyar kar ke parhta he.

aur ALLAh ke waste haq ko pehchano . dawet shetani wale jhote hien aur ab sare totte urh ker haq per arhe hien.

kabre khul gaye me karachi me hoon zara mujh ko le jao ager me ne un ki kaber me baboo na dkeahye to me aaj se tablighi jamat cho doon ga. yeh mera oppen challenge mujh ko apan number do mujs se millo. phir pata chale ga jhota kon. wessy totte to hote hien jhotte aur gali wale


doston yeh meithe bahye suniya ke sub se gande aru gahlezz gali dene wale hien. yakeen karo. in ko faizane madinah me yahe training milte hie. me aja kal biddat per recearch ker raha hoon. is liye saudia jaoon ga. owhan per sub ko recaerch per bataoon ga.
wessy jo bad madhab he un per rioza mubarak ke dedar haram nabi pak ki ziyarat haram. jessy ilyas padri. aru dore darme baz attari makkar..
arslan himmet he to number de apna aru jhote kabro ka rona apne paas rakh.
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Faheem Memon wrote:
MASHAALLAH NAWAB BHAI.....

AP NE EK BEHTAREEN AUR ACHE ANDAZ SE UMMAT KO JORNE KA SOLUTION BATAYA AUR YEH HAQEEQAT HAI KE IN DEOBANDION KO APNI ANAA KO KHATM KAR KE AUR HAQEEQAT KO ACCEPT KAR KE AAGE BARHNA CHAHYE AUR SAHI MEANING MA UMMAT KO JORNA CHAHYE AUR YEH DISCUSSION TU MANY TIMES DEOBANDION AUR SUNNION EK BARE BARE ULEMA KRAM KE DARMIYAN BHI HOI AUR WAHAN PAR BHI SUNNION NE REQUEST KI DEOBANDION SE KE KHUDA KE LIYE AISI GUSTAKHION KA DEFEND NA KARO AUR IN KUFRIYAT KO APNI KITAABO SE KHATM KARDO PAR YEH LOG NAHI MANTE YEH STILL DEFEND KARTE HAIN SHEHBAZ BHAI AUR YEH GALAT NAHI KEHTE APNE AKABIR KO...I M AGAIN SAYING HAMARE IMAAN KA MASLA HAI ZARA SOCHO AGAR HUM GALAT NA KAHE GUSTAKHI KO TU PHIR KIYA JAWAB DE GE KIYAMAT KE DIN..NAWAB BHAI AP YEH SAMAJHTE HAIN KE AP KE KEHNE SE YEH LOG MAAN JYAE PAR MUJHE NAHI LAGTA KE YEH LOG MAANE GE PAR UMEED TU KI JA SAKTI HAI......PLZ THINK ABUT IT....


Phir Gand dal dya Faheem.... aap ne mera khyal hai mere pichli posts nahi dekhi...

Kabhi Islam ke bare me para hai sunna hai... I will not blame reehab because you started it Faheem.

Shahbaz aur mein koshish kar rahe the ke ye ulama ko galian dena, aike doosre pe keechar uchalna band ho.. Hum Nabwi Akhlaq pe aayen...

Yakeen karo mujhe to rona ata hai aap logo ke jawabat sun ke, mein aik bat kehta hoon upar se jawab me wahi bad mazhab, kafir, mushrik...
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edher badmazhaboo ke kya kamee the jo 1 ganda badmazhaab agaya rehaab.
jes ne sab ko galiyan de aur kaha k galat hai hahaha what a joke tum kya bidaat per search karoo ge saraapa bidaat ho jab search karloo tu apne geereban mein jhanknaa koi bidaat nazar na ii tu kehna

yeh hote hai badmazhaab jo Allah k walioo ko galii dete hai aur unhee bura bhala kehte hai wese tum jese badmazhaboo ke galiyoon se kuch nahi hogaa Allah k walioo per na koi khoof hai na koi daar yeh baat tu Allah ne batlai quran mein..

qabroo ka roona jab aigaa jab tu jaogee qabar mein. agar hemmat ho tu next time us jaga pohonch jana jaha qabar khushai hogee. samjhe tum jese na mard sirf gumraaheyat k kuch nahi phela sakteee.
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Bhai Arsalan... Ye tu Batao ke tum log ye Qabrain Khudthe kyon ho... hum mein se ko bhi awliya ko bura aur gali nahi deta... hamara demagh kharab he ke ham unko galian de... hamein tu bas ye bat achi nahi lagte ke loog unki qabron ko sajde qarein, wahan pe Qawalian gain, dhool baje ke sath ab tum khod faisla karo ke ye ghalat nahi ke kisi ki Qabar ke Qareeb, dhool baje aur bhangra shoro kar do.

Dheko mere bhai jo Hazoor (saw) ne nahi kya us ko mat karo... ALLAH (swt) farmate hein ke Tumhare lye Nabi ki zindagi me behtreen namoona hai...
Nawab Bhai ne ghalat kaha ke us waqt halat mukhtalif the... ALLAH ne Hazoor (saw) ki har har ada mein kambyabi rakhe hei, Qiamat tak nake aaj se 1400 sal pehle tak... jo unho ne kia wese ham bhi karee ge...

Dekho yar Bhut asan aur sada si baat hai.

ALLAH gave us a perfect and complete deen, Perfect means it has got no more room for improvements and who brought this deen, it reached to our Prophet through Jibrael. Prophet (saw) passed it to sahaba and then the chain was building on till it reached us.

Now to see what is the correct version of Deen, see the life of Hazoor (saw) and the life of sahaba.
just give you an example, Sahaba loved Prophet (saw) more than us, now after our Prophet passed away did Sahaba do any Urs or did they do any Milad. There is no Qabar better than the Qabar of our Nabi so if they did not do it why shall we do it? I have got a book in which everything is very clear, need to scan few pages, havent got a scanner at home but INSHALLA will try to upload it asap.
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thank u and congratulations Arsalan bhai and faheem bhai. ALLAH KA lakho lakh shukar he k hum aj shahee ul aqeeda hen .agar koi study kare to us ke liye saaf saaf nishaniyan hen maslan jab HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SALLALLAHO ALEH WASALLAM ne yaman ke liye dua ki to logon ne kaha he najad ke liye dua kijye , AP ne ye keh k inkar kar diya he yahan se fitna uthe ga.
aur history is authenticated proof that wahab najdi belong to najad. jo naya deen leke musalamon ke liye aik bara fitna ban ke samne aaya . arab men wahab najdi ne fitna phelaya aur barresagir men wahab najdi ko follow karne wala ismail tha jis ne taqwiyatul iman likhe isi kitab men zaman e badnam ibarats hen jo direct her muslaman ke iman pe attack karti hen.maslan " nabi matti men mil kar khatam ho gai " Naozubilla . " NABI ki izzat aise karo ya karni chahiye jese bate bhai ki si " SUMA MAZALLA . iss tarha ki kai sari ibarat mojood hen agar chup kar ke inn ibarat ko mana jai to kisi muslaman ke dil men nabi ki izzat aur tazeem aur mohabbat kya khak peda ho gi.this is most important point. . . . aj tak ye deobandi wahabi inn ibarton ka aise difa kar rahen hen jese ye iman in ibarton pe leke aain hen . jab ke there r hundereds of manazras between barelvi and wahabi on ibarats always conquered by sunni barelvi . phir bi ye aankon ke andho ko hidayat naseeb nahi . deobandyon ki sub se bari jamat he tableegi jamat . jo logo ko pehle amal ka nasha charhate hen , aur aqeede ko hawa tk nahi lagne dete.im witness. phir wohi tableegi pakka deobandi banta he .phie ahle hadees banta he by the time . jab bara munkir banta he to qadyaniyat ki tarab jump karta he . aur aisa kai martaba how he . qadyanio men bari tadad ahle hadees walon ki he . ALLAH KI PANAH HE AISE LOGON SE . ab govt ne bi in ibarats books per panadi laga di he . net per hamphare ko study karen jo angrezon ka bara jasoos tha . us ne wahab najdi ko trend kya .aur firka waryat shroo ki
[u]http--www_NooreMadinah_net.htm[/u

deobandyon ne hi apne akabreen pe fatwi de diye.( pichli post bi check karen)www.islamimehfil.org
chalte chalte aakhri aur most impotant point bhi note farma len . jhang se taluk rakhne wala supah sahaba ka ameer haq nawaz jhangwi aur molana ashraf siyalwi sahab ka historical manazra jhang men baqaida tor pe court me howa. faisle men wakeel magistrat deobandi bi the. wo manazra completely ibarton pe tha . jo ALHAMDULILLAH sunni barelvi maslak ne jeeta . asharaf siyalwi sahab ne jeeta. wo yadgar manazra cassete men aya aur baqaida books bi chape hen . jis ka naam he , " MANAZRA E JHANG" . saari ibarat iss men pesh ki gain dono janib se .
lekin depbandi log beechare jawab na de sake , kyonke jawab to wo de jis ke pass ho. tareeka to ye he ke jawab
na ho aur batt clear proved ho to such ko man lena behter hota he.lekin ye deobandi and wahabi to beechare shayad iman he in ibarton pe laye hen. bohut hatdharam aur ziddi hen . bilkul shetan ka roll ada kar rahen hen.
inki jahiliyat ki had ho gai ke hum se hamare akabreen ki ibarton ko tor more ke pesh kar rahe hen aur poori koshish men lage hen ke kisi tarha se badnam karen . bajai ke apni islah karen . jitni printing aur pasting shaby ne ki he hamare akabreen ke khilaf un sub pasting men se koi ibarat aise nahi jis pe kisi ka fatwa laga ho .. . jab kisi ke nazdeek in 200 salon men koi ibarat naqabil hi nahi to fatwa kahan se aai ga. aur in jahilon ko dekho ke 200 sal bad aj ye in ibarat pe tanqeed kar rahen he. jin ko inn ke apne buzurgo ne study kar ke apna ilm barhaya he. ye to inn ki halat he aur baten bari bari kar rahen hen jab ke jo deobandyon aur wahabyon ki kufria ibarat jin pe ham tanqeed karte hen un ibarton pe madina ke 150 ulma ne kufr ka fatwa diya he. aur bangladesh ke kai umla karam ne bhi kufr ka fatwa diya he . pak gove ne inn kitabon per hi pabandi laga di he. ab kya reh gaya bhai .
ab kis ka intizar kar rahe ho. aur suno . amir usmani a big alim of deobandi living in india accepted all and confessed . us ne in ibarton ke kufria hone per aitraf kya he aur kaha ke agar waqai maslak deoband haq chahta he to wo inn kufria ibarton wali books ko chorahe pe rakh ke aag laga de YE Bat bilkul te he ke baqaida tor pe deobandyon ki kufria ibarat hen,,, its proved and admitted . ab phir bi zid karte hen to jawab den lekin hatdharmi ye he ke dosron se jawab talab kar rahen hen jin ki ibarton pe aj tak kisi ne koi ghalat fatwa nahi diya .. . . defalutter kon howa jo proved howa ab koi mane ya na mane defaulter proved he.

jab ALLAH ne shetan ko hukum diya ke sajda karo to usne inkar kar diya .aur zid pe ara raha . yahi shetan iss sajde se pehle makarab farishta tha . lekin HAZRAT ADAM ALEH SALAM KO sajda na karne ke bais iblees ban gaya .
to such ko man lena ye jeet aur maqsad hona chahiye. aur yahi aqalmandi bi he aur iman ki hararat bi he.
this thing is on record that how peaceful is tableegi jamat . raiwand hi k ijtima ki misal le lo ke aik bhai jo beechara
in deobandyon ko sunni samajh ke ijtima phonch gaya . wahan us mazloom ne naara lagaya
NAAR A E RISALAT YA RASOOLALLAH . bus in deobandyon ne RASOOLALLAH ke haq men naara sunna that ke us mazloom ko in danda bardaar wahshyon ne mar mar ke adh mowa ka diya. how peaceful they r .
sunni logon ko her waqt shirk bidati najaiz se hi yad karna in peaceful logon ka kam he. aur ye danda bardar khud kesi kese violent tanzeem ke supprter hen . baitullah mahsood , nam nihad taliban , fazlullah mullah umar . ye saare aik
aik he khate chate hen . burai karni ho to inn ko sunni hi milte hen ,. men ne an ginat bayan sune jin men ye log sub sunnyon ke liye shirk shirk karte hen. kabhi kisi ne suna ke tablegi ne baitullah mahsood jo beechare begunah logon ko khud khash balst me killing karte rahete hen . they love these violent people bcoz wo sub ke sub deobandi hi hen . aik hi categories ke jahil tabka he . chahe fazloo deezal ki soorat men ho ya rasheed ahmed gahghhi ya qasim nanotwi ki sooratt menk ho... .... aik bari hakikat jo gustakhana ibarton ki he jis se aaj bhi ye deobandi nazren churate hen aur lagta he in ibarton pe iman lai hen. khud inn ke depbandi ulma and mufti ne in ke hi akabreen ke khilaf kai fatwe de diye hin . aur hakikat inhi logo se aashkar ho gai he, . dekho ALLAH ne dikha diya. inn ki deobani kufria ibarat pe inke hi deobandi muftyon ne fatwi de diye. kash pehle hi ye log madina 150 ulma ke fatwe hi man lete. lekin ziddi iblees ki khaslat he . jo itni asani se nahi jai gi. lekin fatwa zarur mulahiza ho. umeed he haq ko tasleem kya jai and hypocrite munafqeen se door raha jai .
ab iss masle ka hal mere nazdeek deobanyon ke haath men he. aaj agar ye tariq jameel aur doste ulma uth kahare hon aur danke ki chote pe elan kar den ke agar sunni bhayon ko hm se ye shikwa he . hm se ye narazgi he to hm ALLAH AUR USKE RASOOL (S.A.W) ki khatir apne akabreen ki kufriyat se nafrat karte hen. kash ye deobandi aaj bi aisa kuch karen aur ummmat ko jorne ki baten karne wale dil se iss bat pe amal kar ke dikhanin . baten to bohur logo ne ki hen lekin asal he implementaton ho. kash ye depband kufryat se jan chrain aur apne daman ko pak karen. nahi to yehi hen jo hamesha se zaleel o khuwar hen aur hote rahen ge.
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shaby sahab !


tumhari baten khali bartan ki tarhan hen . ye dekh o tumhari asliyat .
aur 100 dafa tum ko keh diya in deoband ibrton pe madina ke 150 ulma ne kufr ke fatwe
diye hen jo har tarhan se proved hen. to bhai ye jahilon wala sawal apne pas hi rakhna kyon ke fatwe hamare ulma ke khilaf nahi balke tumhare chaheete yazeed ke chahnewalon ke khilaf lage he.
aur ye manazra bi parhana . ssaaari hakikat samne ajai gi mazeed .
saari ibarats ka zikr iss kitab men mojood he . wo ibarat bi jo ap ne bare darhle se pesh ki thi.
aap badmazhab logo ko ye mashwara he ke study achi karo aur hakikat ko accept karo. aur seedhe raste ki jusjujo rakho na ke kufrya ibarat ki hifazat aur defa karo .

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Valiant... I am not going to say any more because its better to smash my head in to a wall rather than talking to you guys.

I talk to you directly quoting Quran and Hadith while you come up with the same thing, Qabar kushai, Munazra, wahabi, kafir, badmazhab, ala hazrat etc.

Koi Quran, Hadith se hawale do. Aik Bat ja ke Quran aur Hadith me dekh lo ke Jhoote Ilzam ke kia saza hai... agar na mile to mujhe batana phir me bataon ga...

Just one more thing you have misspelled your name ... it should be VIOLENT
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MERI INFORMATION KE MUTABIK YE HAQ NAWAZ JHANGVI KOI AAM ADMI NA THA BALKE SAPHA E SAHABA TABZEEM KA NA SIRF FOUNDER BALKE HEAD BI THA ACCORDING TO WIKIPEDIA .AND WAS ALSO A POLITICAL PARTY. ISS MANAZRE SE PEHLE YE BHI YEHI SAMAJHTA THA KE SUNNI JIN IBARAT PAR AETARAZ KARTE HAIN WO GALAT HAIN AUR SIRF ILZAMAT HAIN LEKIN JAB MANAZRA HOWA ASHRAF SIYALWI SAHAB KE SATH TU US KA BHI DIMAGH DURUST HO GAYA AUR US NE ACCEPT KIYA KE SUNNI ULEMA KARAM BILKUL SAI KUFR KA FATWA LAGATE HAIN GUSTAKHANA IBARAT PAR AUR AP HISTORY DEKH LE US MANAZRE KE BAAD HAQ NAWAZ KI HIMMAT NAHI HOI KE WO ULEMA AHLESUNNAT KE AGAINST KUCH KAHE US KI BOLTI BAND HO GAI......AUR IS MANAZRE KI VIDEO AUR AUDIO CDS BHI AVAILABLE HAIN AUR YEH KE HISTORICAL MANAZARA HAI DEKHNE KE KABIL HAI..AP SUB DEOBANDION SE GUZARISH HAI KE AINDA KUCH BHI IN IBARAT KE DEFEND MA KEHNE SE PEHLE IS MANAZRE KO ZAROR DEKHE YA PARH LE TU AP KA BHI DIMAGH SHAYAD SAI HO JAYE HAQ NAWAZ JGHANGVI KI TARAH....
AP QURAANO HADITH KI BAAT KARTE HAIN TU JANAB AP KO KIA PATA QURAANO HADITH KAA AP PEHLE YEH FAISLA TU KARLE KE AP KE AKABIRO NE JO GUSTAKHIAN KI HAIN WO WAKAI MA GUSTAKHIAN HAIN AUR KUFR HAIN AP IS CHEZ KE MAAN LO GE TU PHIR AAGE QURANO HADITH KI BAAT KARE GE....AUR KONSI HADITH MA YA KONSE WAKIA MA HAI KE KISI SAHABI NE AP SALALLAHO ALAHE WASALAM KO BHAI KEH KAR PUKARA HO YA SAHABA KA YEH AQEEDA HO KE SARKAR SALLAHO ALAHE WASALLAM KA KHAYAL NAMAZ MA AJAYE TU NAMAZ TOOT JATI HAI NAUZIBILLAH AUR KISI AUR CHEZ KA KHAYAL AYE TU NAMAZ NA TOOTE JAB KE AP KE ISMAIL DEHALVI KA YEH AQEEDA HAI...TUM KIA SAMJHO QURANO HADITH TUMHE TU ADAB HI NASEEB NAHI HOA AUR NA HI TUMHARE BUZARGO MA AHTRAM NASEEB HOWA HAI AHLE BAIT KA YA SAHABAE KARAM KAA.......TUM LOGO KI BOOKS BHARI PARI HAIN KUFRIAT SE MA KIA KIA MENTION KARON......NAWAB NE YEH BAAT BHI SAI KAHI HAI KE TUMHARE BUZARGO NE HAMESHA YAZEED KA SATH DIYA HAI MAZALLAH......
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Yakeen karo tum log baache ho... tumhe koi baat samajh hi nahi aati... Hum hanafi hain aur deoband ke ulama bhi hanafi hai aur tum log bhi hanafi ho.

tum hamare aqaiad to ko aam logo ke kitabo se nikalne ke kooshish kar rahe ho... tumhe kis bewaqoof ne kaha he ke hum unko mante hein...

Hum bralevi nahin ke Ala hazrat ke peeche par ke Hazoor (saw) aur Sahaba ko bhool jain. Read my previos posts and tell me if I try to defend any Ibarat.

I only tried to show you what are the consequences of false accusations... Yakeen karo aap ke kisi bhai ne Maulana Tariq Jameel (jin ko aap ne bayan me bulaya tha) ko badnam karne ke lye jo jhoti video banai hai, title was Maualna tariq jameel in racing car after 40 days. I saw him so closely and that person is not Tariq Jameel but I dont know why are you doing all this, Lets say even if it was him what's the harm in driving a sports car.

INSHALLAH I will post a Hadith about what will you get for a false accusation very soon...

I told before i Join the errort of tabligh and do you know what they teach us there... we are taught the life of Sahaba, not the life of Maulana Ilyas (who started the work), or anyone else.

Here you go, read this and tell me if you find something wrong,

The Six Points of Tabligh

The Sahaba Radiallahu anhum had many good qualities. Our elders have extracted six such qualities which if we bring into our lives, then to follow the rest of Deen will be easy.

The first quality was the quality of Iman. The kalima Lailaha Illallah Muhammadur Rasulullah, means that there is none worthy of worship but Allah and Muhammed Sallallahu alaihi wasallam is the messenger of Allah.

The Sahaba Radiallahu anhum strove in the path of Allah to strengthen their yaqeen that Allah Ta’ala does everything without the help of the creation, and the creation can do nothing without the help of Allah Ta’ala. They also strengthened their yaqeen that ONLY in following the life style of Nabi Karim Sallallahu alaihi wasallam will a person be successful. All other ways of life will bring failure to a person not only in this world but also in the grave and the hereafter.

This kalima is so valuable that if a person recites it 100 times a day, his face will shine like the 14th moon. A person who revives one sunnah of Nabi Sallallahu alaihi wasallam during the time of fitnah and fasad, will get the reward of 100 shaheeds. A shaheed is that person who fought in the path of Allah Ta’ala, and before his first drop of blood touches the ground, all his sins are forgiven.

To obtain the reality of this kalima, a person must daily invite towards this kalima and he must also make dua that Allah Ta’ala places the reality of this kalima into our hearts.

The second quality which the Sahaba possessed was the quality of salaah. The first and foremost thing ordained by Allah Ta’ala after Iman was salaah, and the first thing to be reckoned for on the day of Qiyamah will be salaah.

Salaah is a means by which a person comes closer to Allah Ta’ala, and also a means of taking from the treasures of Allah Ta’ala. Allah Ta’ala will grant a person in the habit of performing his salaah on time with concentration and devotion, five favours:

His rizq (sustenance) will be made easy.
He will be safe from the punishment of the grave.
He will receive his book of deeds in his right hand.
He will cross the bridge of siraat with the speed of lightning.
He will enter Jannah without any reckoning.
To acquire concentration in salaah, a person must perform long rakaats of nafl salaah.

It is obligatory on every male and female to acquire the basic knowledge of Deen. One should know what is halaal and what is haraam, and must be able to distinguish between right and wrong.

If a person who is ignorant and is in the process of learning Deen has to pass away, his status will be just one below the Ambiyaa Alaihimus Salaam. The angels spread their wings under the feet of a person seeking the knowledge of Deen. The animals in the jungle, the birds in the air and the fish in the sea make dua of forgiveness for him.

For the fazaail [virtues] one must participate in the taalim of the masjid and one must also make taalim at home. For the masaail we should ask the Ulama.

All the creation of Allah make the zikr of Allah. Man who is the best of creation must also make the zikr of Allah. The one who makes the zikr of Allah is like a living person and the one who does not make the zikr of Allah is like a dead person. Zikr creates the consciousness of Allah, that Allah is all- seeing and al- hearing. A person who remembers Allah after Fajr salaah and after Asr salaah is like a person who makes zikr of Allah all day long.

Make a habit of reciting the third kalima, durood shareef and istighfaar 100 times each after the Fajr and Asr salaah. Read a portion of the Quran and the duas on the relevant occasions.

A person who fulfills the need of a Muslim brother, Allah Ta’ala will grant him 73 rewards. 72 will be kept in the aakhirah, and with the one reward, Allah will fulfil all his needs of the world.

We must respect the elders and the Ulama and be kind to the youth. The best ikraam one can do for a person during the time of fitnah and fasaad is to guide him onto the right path.

For every act, one must check one’s intention, that it is only for the pleasure of Allah. A date given in the path of Allah for the pleasure of Allah will earn great rewards in the hereafter. On the other hand if a person gave a great sum of money for the sake of show, then he will be taken to task on the day of Qiyaamah. We must check our intentions in the beginning, in the middle and at the end of every act, thereafter make istighfaar for any shortcoming in our intentions.

The Sahaba Radiallahu anhum strove in the path of Allah Ta’ala to elevate the name of Allah. To uphold the Deen of Allah, they went through great difficulties. Some of them made their wives widows and their children orphans. There were days when some of the Sahaba had no food in their homes. During the battle of the trench, a Sahabi told Nabi Sallallahu alaihi wasallam that he was hungry for the past three days. He uncovered his stomach to show that he had a stone fastened on his stomach to keep his back upright. Nabi Sallallahu alaihi wasallam felt sorry and told him that he was also hungry for the last three or four days. Rasulullah Sallallahu alaihi wasallam showed him his stomach and told him to observe that he had two stones fastened on his belly.

Nabi Sallallahu alaihi wasallam and the Sahaba Radiallahu anhum watered the garden of Islam with their blood. Today our elders want us to sacrifice only a little of our sweat in the path of Allah. Alhamdulillah with the effort of jamaat, extemely great changes are occuring throughout the world. Hence, let us also give some time in the path of Allah to bring Deen into our lives and into the lives of the whole of mankind till the day of Qiyaamah.
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Aslamoalykum Reply with quote
Second Episode.


Brother AK Khan sahib aur Brother Shahbaz Sahib yeh log is tarah nahin aapki batain manaingay in ko to aaeena dekhana parega. yeh hi log hain firq parast, aur yeh jo nawab hay is ko to itni toufeeq nahin hoee keh meray 1 sawal ka jawab deta, bus bakwas karta rehta hay.


no let see the real face of their sect.













TO BE CONTINUED>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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to be continued.............................................................................................>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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dear faheem

thank u so much for giving us great information about haq nawaz jhangwi deobani . jo ke wakai aik bohut bari hakikat he. ye haq nawaz jhangwi ulma e ahlesunnat ko galyan deta tha . sunnyon ko shirk bidate najaiz kehta tha. jab ye saare deobandi aur apne aap ko neutal kehelwane wale chup kar ke bhete the. jab inn ko firka waryat nazar nahi aai . ALHAMDULILLAH molana ahsraf siyalwi sahab ne iss jhangvi deobandi ko kufriya ibarton pe QURAN O HADIS se aise dalail diye . iss ko wahan tasleem karna para ke maslake ahlesunnat haq per he. aur wo aur intertesting baaat ye he ke MANAZR A JHANG A HISTORICAL MANAZRA . GOVT officially involved aur court ke members ne iss ka faisla diya. ab inn logon ki halat dekho ke haqeeqat ko manna to he nahi aur bus baat ko ghumane ki pari he. kehta he ke tum bache ho . ok . hm bache hen lekin tumhari and tumhare gustakhane akabreen ke tarhan jahil nahi hen. TAZEEM izzat o ahtaram bunyadi baten hen . jaga jaga aise kufrya ibarate hen jin NABI(S.AQ.W) ko aise pose krne ki koshish ki he jese aam koi aam log . yahi nahi balke aqaid ka ye haal he ke deoband hi key aqaid hen ke yazeed to jannati and NABI(S.A.W) ke waliden naozubilla ......................
phir ye kehte hen ke hamari jamat aise he wese he bohut ibadat karte hen ..sath ye bi dekh lo ke iblees ne bi hazarha sajde kye the lekin ye khabis iblees kab bana jab us ke dil se NABI ki tazeem gai . aur dekho ab ke kitni mumaslat aa gai he tum logo men aur ibless ke kartoot men . think and think more before time is up
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Nawab yaar abhi to ibtidaa hay abhi say q bhoklaye hooye phir rahay ho abhi bhji moqa hay firqa wariat chor do ya phir meray 1 sawal ka jawab do keh agar yeh sab bakwas tumharay ulama karain to ???????????????????????
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