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BURE AQAID WALON KA BURA KHATMA HOTA HE Reply with quote
thank u dear Arsalan. ALLAH KA lakho lakh shukar he k hum aj shahee ul aqeeda hen .agar koi study kare to us ke liye saaf saaf nishaniyan hen maslan jab HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SALLALLAHO ALEH WASALLAM ne yaman ke liye dua ki to logon ne kaha he najad ke liye dua kijye , AP ne ye keh k inkar kar diya he yahan se fitna uthe ga.
aur history is authenticated proof that wahab najdi belong to najad. jo naya deen leke musalamon ke liye aik bara fitna ban ke samne aaya . arab men wahab najdi ne fitna phelaya aur barresagir men wahab najdi ko follow karne wala ismail tha jis ne taqwiyatul iman likhe isi kitab men zaman e badnam ibarats hen jo direct her muslaman ke iman pe attack karti hen.maslan " nabi matti men mil kar khatam ho gai " Naozubilla . " NABI ki izzat aise karo ya karni chahiye jese bate bhai ki si " SUMA MAZALLA . iss tarha ki kai sari ibarat mojood hen agar chup kar ke inn ibarat ko mana jai to kisi muslaman ke dil men nabi ki izzat aur tazeem aur mohabbat kya khak peda ho gi.this is most important point. . . . aj tak ye deobandi wahabi inn ibarton ka aise difa kar rahen hen jese ye iman in ibarton pe leke aain hen . jab ke there r hundereds of manazras between barelvi and wahabi on ibarats always conquered by sunni barelvi . phir bi ye aankon ke andho ko hidayat naseeb nahi . deobandyon ki sub se bari jamat he tableegi jamat . jo logo ko pehle amal ka nasha charhate hen , aur aqeede ko hawa tk nahi lagne dete.im witness. phir wohi tableegi pakka deobandi banta he .phie ahle hadees banta he by the time . jab bara munkir banta he to qadyaniyat ki tarab jump karta he . aur aisa kai martaba how he . qadyanio men bari tadad ahle hadees walon ki he . ALLAH KI PANAH HE AISE LOGON SE . ab govt ne bi in ibarats books per panadi laga di he . net per hamphare ko study karen jo angrezon ka bara jasoos tha . us ne wahab najdi ko trend kya .aur firka waryat shroo ki.

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Janab Nawab Bahi aur Arslan Bhai itna khush naho qk sirf tum dono hi is forum par nahin ho balkeh kafi log mojoud hain pehlay yeh par lo aur agar tum waqai apnay aap ko AShiq -e-Rasool kehtay ho to in Ulama par bhi gustakh aur badmazhab aur kafir ka fatwa lagana aur haan please koi bhoodi daleel ya justification na paish karna qk agar tum nay aisa kiya to phir yeh sabit ho jayega keh aap log Ashiq-e-Rasool (PBUH) nahin balkeh Ashiq-e-Brelviat ho.
Lo ab aankhani nkhol kar parh lo.
























This is EPISODE No, 1.

To be continued...............................................
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assalam o alikum friends...

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Pasting of no use Reply with quote
ISS TARHAN KI PASTING KA KOI FAIDA NAHI SHABY SAHAB.

I KNOW UR ANGRY BCOZ UR DEOBANDI OR WAHABI . BUT FACT IS FACT WHICH DESCRIBED ABOVE.
U HAD BATTER CHECKE ALL POSTS.

AFSOS HE ALA HAZRAT IMAM AHMED RAZA KHAN ko bura sabit karne ke liye aise fazool shetani harkate karte ho. .
tum deobandyon ki jahalat ke ye hal he ke na to tum logo ko lafz urs ka mane pata hen na hadis ka ilm he . ab ghor se parho jo men likh raha ho. mere bhai ye timizi ki HADIS E MUBARKA he jis men lafz urs mojood . jis ka wazeh matlab he shadi ke hen ab ye urs ka lafz hadis men is liye aaya he k nek log jab iss dunya se jate hen to wo in ke liye khusi ka din hota he..jahil ke bacho ab aage parho ke jab saliheen aur momeeneen nakeeren ke salawalon ka jawab de dete hen to farishten jannat ki khirki khol ke farmated hen ke (hadis ke alfaz) " us dulhan ki tarha so ja jis ko uske pyare mehboob ke ilawa koi nahi jagata. ".hadis ka lafz " urs " farshton ne use kya aur takleef in beecharon deobandyohn ko ho rahe he. yaqeen na aai to dekh lena aur kisi ko kuch bhejne se pehle behter he ke khud books dekh li jain . ye rang brango jhooti pasting sirf aur sirf web pages ki jaga cover kare gi aur qabar bhari kare gi.
apke ashraf ali thanvi ki ye bat roze roshan ki tarha cheenk cheenk kar kya keh rahe he ALA HAZRAT haq per the . jab ALA HAZRAT KA INTIKAL HOWA TO aur ye khabar jab ashraf ali thanvi ko di gai to wo khamosh ho gai . jab us se poocha gaya ke aap us ke liye afsos karte hen jo apko kafar ka fatwa de gaya . (balke us ke zariye madina ke 150 ke kareeb ulma ne ashraf ali thanvi aur nanotvi pe kufr ke fatwe lagai hen.) to jawab men thanvi sahab ne kaha ke . . . "agar imam ahmad raza muj pe kufr ka fatwa na lagate to khud kafar ho jate kyon ke wo ISHQ E RASOOL(S.A.W) ke bare maqam pe faiz the." jab thanvi sahab ke ALA HAZRAT KE LIYE yeh comments rahe hen aur us waqt kabi kisi deobandi ya wahabi ne kabhi ALA HAZRAT pe tankeed nahi ki. balke aik bare ahlehadess alim the us waqt unho ne ye bayan diya tha ke agar kisi ko ALLAH aur SARKAR SALALLAHO ALEH WASALLAM aur aur deegar ambiya sub ki tazeem tokir kisi quran ke tarjume men parhni ho to kanzul iman he. aj 150 200 sal bad ALA HAZRAT Pe ye aaj ke lote tanqeed kate hen in ko sharam bi nahi aati , kam se kam apne akabreen ko hi parh len . aik jaga diya he ke kisi ko aise khubo aai jese ROZA RASOOL PE thi to iss men tanqeed ya pareshani ki baat to nahi balke khushi ki baat he. hm sunniyon ka to hamesha se aqeeda he ke SARKAR SALA TO SALAM HAYAT HEN AUR MOJOOD HEN . AUR KHUSBOO UNKE MOJOODGI KA AHSAS DILATI HE TO ISS men takleef kisi aur ko nahi shetan hi ko ho sakti he. afsos kam ilmi ki hamare han ye hal he. kahin bat samajh nahi lagi to utha ke us ibarat ko paste kar diya ; agar inn ibarat pe tumhare kisi molvi ka fatwa he to dikha bhai . ye pasting to qadyani bhi kar le ga . tumhare thanvi nanatwi wagera pe to harmain shareefain ke 150 ulma ne danke ke chot pe kufr ke fatwe diye hen. kuch ulma bangladesh ke bi hen jinho ne deobandi ibarat pe kufr ke fatwe diye. aur bohut sari ibarton pe to
deobandyon ne hi apne akabreen pe fatwi de diye.( pichli post bi check karen)www.islamimehfil.org
chalte chalte aakhri aur most impotant point bhi note farma len . jhang se taluk rakhne wala supah sahaba ka ameer haq nawaz jhangwi aur molana ashraf siyalwi sahab ka historical manazra jhang men baqaida tor pe court me howa. faisle men wakeel magistrat deobandi bi the. wo manazra completely ibarton pe tha . jo ALHAMDULILLAH sunni barelvi maslak ne jeeta . asharaf siyalwi sahab ne jeeta. wo yadgar manazra cassete men aya aur baqaida books bi chape hen . jis ka naam he , " MANAZRA E JHANG" . saari ibarat iss men pesh ki gain dono janib se .
lekin depbandi log beechare jawab na de sake , kyonke jawab to wo de jis ke pass ho. tareeka to ye he ke jawab
na ho aur batt clear proved ho to such ko man lena behter hota he.lekin ye deobandi and wahabi to beechare shayad iman he in ibarton pe laye hen. bohut hatdharam aur ziddi hen . bilkul shetan ka roll ada kar rahen hen.
jab ALLAH ne shetan ko hukum diya ke sajda karo to usne inkar kar diya .aur zid pe ara raha . yahi shetan iss sajde se pehle makarab farishta tha . lekin HAZRAT ADAM ALEH SALAM KO sajda na karne ke bais iblees ban gaya .
to such ko man lena ye jeet aur maqsad hona chahiye. aur yahi aqalmandi bi he aur iman ki hararat bi he.
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valiant wrote:
ISS TARHAN KI PASTING KA KOI FAIDA NAHI SHABY SAHAB.

I KNOW UR ANGRY BCOZ UR DEOBANDI OR WAHABI . BUT FACT IS FACT WHICH DESCRIBED ABOVE.
U HAD BATTER CHECKE ALL POSTS.

AFSOS HE ALA HAZRAT IMAM AHMED RAZA KHAN ko bura sabit karne ke liye aise fazool shetani harkate karte ho. .
tum deobandyon ki jahalat ke ye hal he ke na to tum logo ko lafz urs ka mane pata hen na hadis ka ilm he . ab ghor se parho jo men likh raha ho. mere bhai ye timizi ki HADIS E MUBARKA he jis men lafz urs mojood . jis ka wazeh matlab he shadi ke hen ab ye urs ka lafz hadis men is liye aaya he k nek log jab iss dunya se jate hen to wo in ke liye khusi ka din hota he..jahil ke bacho ab aage parho ke jab saliheen aur momeeneen nakeeren ke salawalon ka jawab de dete hen to farishten jannat ki khirki khol ke farmated hen ke (hadis ke alfaz) " us dulhan ki tarha so ja jis ko uske pyare mehboob ke ilawa koi nahi jagata. ".hadis ka lafz " urs " farshton ne use kya aur takleef in beecharon deobandyohn ko ho rahe he. yaqeen na aai to dekh lena aur kisi ko kuch bhejne se pehle behter he ke khud books dekh li jain . ye rang brango jhooti pasting sirf aur sirf web pages ki jaga cover kare gi aur qabar bhari kare gi.
apke ashraf ali thanvi ki ye bat roze roshan ki tarha cheenk cheenk kar kya keh rahe he ALA HAZRAT haq per the . jab ALA HAZRAT KA INTIKAL HOWA TO aur ye khabar jab ashraf ali thanvi ko di gai to wo khamosh ho gai . jab us se poocha gaya ke aap us ke liye afsos karte hen jo apko kafar ka fatwa de gaya . (balke us ke zariye madina ke 150 ke kareeb ulma ne ashraf ali thanvi aur nanotvi pe kufr ke fatwe lagai hen.) to jawab men thanvi sahab ne kaha ke . . . "agar imam ahmad raza muj pe kufr ka fatwa na lagate to khud kafar ho jate kyon ke wo ISHQ E RASOOL(S.A.W) ke bare maqam pe faiz the." jab thanvi sahab ke ALA HAZRAT KE LIYE yeh comments rahe hen aur us waqt kabi kisi deobandi ya wahabi ne kabhi ALA HAZRAT pe tankeed nahi ki. balke aik bare ahlehadess alim the us waqt unho ne ye bayan diya tha ke agar kisi ko ALLAH aur SARKAR SALALLAHO ALEH WASALLAM aur aur deegar ambiya sub ki tazeem tokir kisi quran ke tarjume men parhni ho to kanzul iman he. aj 150 200 sal bad ALA HAZRAT Pe ye aaj ke lote tanqeed kate hen in ko sharam bi nahi aati , kam se kam apne akabreen ko hi parh len . aik jaga diya he ke kisi ko aise khubo aai jese ROZA RASOOL PE thi to iss men tanqeed ya pareshani ki baat to nahi balke khushi ki baat he. hm sunniyon ka to hamesha se aqeeda he ke SARKAR SALA TO SALAM HAYAT HEN AUR MOJOOD HEN . AUR KHUSBOO UNKE MOJOODGI KA AHSAS DILATI HE TO ISS men takleef kisi aur ko nahi shetan hi ko ho sakti he. afsos kam ilmi ki hamare han ye hal he. kahin bat samajh nahi lagi to utha ke us ibarat ko paste kar diya ; agar inn ibarat pe tumhare kisi molvi ka fatwa he to dikha bhai . ye pasting to qadyani bhi kar le ga . tumhare thanvi nanatwi wagera pe to harmain shareefain ke 150 ulma ne danke ke chot pe kufr ke fatwe diye hen. kuch ulma bangladesh ke bi hen jinho ne deobandi ibarat pe kufr ke fatwe diye. aur bohut sari ibarton pe to
deobandyon ne hi apne akabreen pe fatwi de diye.( pichli post bi check karen)www.islamimehfil.org
chalte chalte aakhri aur most impotant point bhi note farma len . jhang se taluk rakhne wala supah sahaba ka ameer haq nawaz jhangwi aur molana ashraf siyalwi sahab ka historical manazra jhang men baqaida tor pe court me howa. faisle men wakeel magistrat deobandi bi the. wo manazra completely ibarton pe tha . jo ALHAMDULILLAH sunni barelvi maslak ne jeeta . asharaf siyalwi sahab ne jeeta. wo yadgar manazra cassete men aya aur baqaida books bi chape hen . jis ka naam he , " MANAZRA E JHANG" . saari ibarat iss men pesh ki gain dono janib se .
lekin depbandi log beechare jawab na de sake , kyonke jawab to wo de jis ke pass ho. tareeka to ye he ke jawab
na ho aur batt clear proved ho to such ko man lena behter hota he.lekin ye deobandi and wahabi to beechare shayad iman he in ibarton pe laye hen. bohut hatdharam aur ziddi hen . bilkul shetan ka roll ada kar rahen hen.
jab ALLAH ne shetan ko hukum diya ke sajda karo to usne inkar kar diya .aur zid pe ara raha . yahi shetan iss sajde se pehle makarab farishta tha . lekin HAZRAT ADAM ALEH SALAM KO sajda na karne ke bais iblees ban gaya .
to such ko man lena ye jeet aur maqsad hona chahiye. aur yahi aqalmandi bi he aur iman ki hararat bi he.



Aslamoalykum


Dear Nawab and Faheem Bhai

main to sirf yeh dekhna chahta tha keh aap log sachay Ashiq-e-Rasoll (PBUH) hain ya nahin aur aap dono nay yeh sabit kardiya keh aap Ashiq-e-Rasool nahin balkeh Ashiq Ahmed Raza hain, warna in khurafat par aap do lafz to boltay,
i want to realize you keh agar koi deobandi agar in "gustakhion" ka inkaar karta hay aur kehta hay keh yeh main nay nahin likhi ya main is ka inkaar karta hoon to being a muslim hum sab ko is ko qabool kar laina chaheye, jis tarah aap nay apnay Ulama ki in Khurafat ko apnay dil say bura nahin kaha aur is par ulta dalail paish kiye hain is say sabit hota hay keh yeh ishq-e-Nabi ka dawa kitna sacha hay, agar aap log sachay Ashiq-e-Rasool (PBUH) hotay to samnay wala shaksh chahay jo bhi ho Aaqa (PBUH) say ziyada mohtaram nahin ho sakta, this is firq wariat apnay ulama bakwas karain to afreen aur koi doosra agar kisi baat ka inkaar bhi karay aur kisi gustakhi say barraat ka bhi elaan karay tab bhi aap jaisay logon ko qabool nahin.


yeh forum pakistan kay tamaam logon keh liye aik mashwara hay keh dekh lijeye kon Ashoq-e-Rasool (PBUH) hay aur kon nahin, kon apnay Ulama ki khurafat par bhji dalail deta hay aur kon is ko waqai khurafat kehta hay, every one can judge.


Allah hum sab ko Sacha Ashiq-e-Rasool Banaye, Ameen.
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shaby sahab

tum agar hamare aik sawal ka bi jawab na de sake aur baten aise kar rahe ho ke hadees me aya he
tum jannati ho. sath yazeed ka do phir kaho hm jannati hen .abhi haal hi men banoriya ke alim ne kitab likhi he jis ka naam he " yazeed rahmatullah " jis men HAZRAT ALI (RA) KI SHAN MEN GHUSTAKHI KI HE. chore do ye behoodgi aur munafkat.
tumhari itni lambi posting men koi aik fatwa tak kisi book pe nahi laga.
jab ke hm ne danke ki chot pe sub sabit kya he . MADINE ke ulma ne tumhari kufrya ibaraat pe panadi lagai
. govt of pakistan ne tumhari kufryat pe pabandi lagai .
ALLAMA IQBAL Ke wazeh comments deobandyon ke lye app hamari previous posting men parhen aur ALLAH se toba karen aur rahe rast pe ajain . men ne pehle bi kaha tha fazool posting ka koi faida nahi .
hamare pas to aise posing hen jin men depbandyon ne apne hi akabreen pe kufr ke wazah fatwe laga
diye hen . iss ki aakhri misal fazail amal ki ibarat ko QURAN KI TILAWAT ke behurmati gustakhi pe he . us pe deobandi mufti multan wale okarwi ne zakarya pe fatwa lagaya he .
samajhdoron ke liye ishare hi kafi hote hen /
hm ashiq e RASOOL HEN ALHAMDULILLAH. dawateislami ki cd. mufti faroq sahab . jin ki kabar khushai 3 saaal baad ki gai aur wo khushbudar halat me pai gai SUBHANALLAH. iss ke ilawa iss trah ke 17 cases ho chuke hen .
ye sara mamla he aqaid ka . tumhare beechare deobandyon ka to koi aqeeda he nahi . amal ke naam pe log bewaqoof bante hen . yaqeen na aai to khud kisi alim se poocho ke wo konse aqaid ke malik hen . abhi haal hi men ABDULLAH BIN BAZ . mufti saudi arab ne deobandi ke liye fatwa diya tha ke inn ko to tohid ka matlab hi nahi maloom , in ke sath tableeg ke naam pe ghoome phirne ka koi faida nahi .
behter he ke study behter karen . aur apne aap ko fasid aqaid se bachain.
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valiant wrote:
shaby sahab

tum agar hamare aik sawal ka bi jawab na de sake aur baten aise kar rahe ho ke hadees me aya he
tum jannati ho. sath yazeed ka do phir kaho hm jannati hen .abhi haal hi men banoriya ke alim ne kitab likhi he jis ka naam he " yazeed rahmatullah " jis men HAZRAT ALI (RA) KI SHAN MEN GHUSTAKHI KI HE. chore do ye behoodgi aur munafkat.
tumhari itni lambi posting men koi aik fatwa tak kisi book pe nahi laga.
jab ke hm ne danke ki chot pe sub sabit kya he . MADINE ke ulma ne tumhari kufrya ibaraat pe panadi lagai
. govt of pakistan ne tumhari kufryat pe pabandi lagai .
ALLAMA IQBAL Ke wazeh comments deobandyon ke lye app hamari previous posting men parhen aur ALLAH se toba karen aur rahe rast pe ajain . men ne pehle bi kaha tha fazool posting ka koi faida nahi .
hamare pas to aise posing hen jin men depbandyon ne apne hi akabreen pe kufr ke wazah fatwe laga
diye hen . iss ki aakhri misal fazail amal ki ibarat ko QURAN KI TILAWAT ke behurmati gustakhi pe he . us pe deobandi mufti multan wale okarwi ne zakarya pe fatwa lagaya he .
samajhdoron ke liye ishare hi kafi hote hen /
hm ashiq e RASOOL HEN ALHAMDULILLAH. dawateislami ki cd. mufti faroq sahab . jin ki kabar khushai 3 saaal baad ki gai aur wo khushbudar halat me pai gai SUBHANALLAH. iss ke ilawa iss trah ke 17 cases ho chuke hen .
ye sara mamla he aqaid ka . tumhare beechare deobandyon ka to koi aqeeda he nahi . amal ke naam pe log bewaqoof bante hen . yaqeen na aai to khud kisi alim se poocho ke wo konse aqaid ke malik hen . abhi haal hi men ABDULLAH BIN BAZ . mufti saudi arab ne deobandi ke liye fatwa diya tha ke inn ko to tohid ka matlab hi nahi maloom , in ke sath tableeg ke naam pe ghoome phirne ka koi faida nahi .
behter he ke study behter karen . aur apne aap ko fasid aqaid se bachain.


Dear Nawab Bhai Aslamoalykum


Mujhe aap say yehi umeed thi qk yeh to main aap kay saaray post parhnay kay baad mujhe pata chal gaya hay keh ghuma ghuma kar batain kartay ho aap log aur to the pont baat say bhagtay ho, meray bhai agar deobandi gustakhi karain to wo kafir aur agar brelvi karain to is ko tum "Fazool Postin" keh kar jaan churana chahtay ho, chalo fazool hi sahi kuch to comments do is par bhi, janab mufti sahib.
kia zaban saath nahin day rahi kiya apnay graiban main munh nahin daal saktay to phir yeh Ashiq-e-Rasool (PBUH) ka daawaa choro aur jo apnay man ko bhayae wohi acha ka naaraa lagatay raho,

Main to samjha tha aap aik bashaoor aur samajhdar shakhsh hain laikin yeh kiya aap bhi bas brelvi hi sabit hooye yaar ghalat ko ghalat kehna seekho, aur mujhe deobandi ke taana mat dena i have no concern with any Mulla or Firqa under stand, please tlak with me to the point, yeh bongian aur jhotay daway (ashiq-e-Rasool) PBUH) kay meray saath na karna.

Tumhari in baton say yeh lagta hay agar deobandi gustakhi karain to wo kafir agar tunharay ulama yeh sab bakwas karain to yeh "Fazool Posting" what a justice how can you consider yourself as a Ashiq-e-Rasool (OBUH) how can? pleas tell me but no bongi only to the point ok

regards
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tum ne bhi jahaleyaat ke entheea kardee chalo tumhe bhi samjha dete hai.,...

main phele he keh chuka hai badmazhab ajj se nahi barsoo se esse juthe reference bana kar dekhate hai

main tumhe challange karta ho jai yeh books haseel karoo page no. dekho aur agar koi kufriya ebarat lekhe ho tu yaha bhi scan karo

agar nahi hogee tu apne mun per tamacha raseed karoo geeee.

aur jao 18 qabroo ka haal dekho wo bataingee Maslake Ahlesunaat aur brelve haq haq haq hai.
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Muhammad Arsalan !!! wrote:
tum ne bhi jahaleyaat ke entheea kardee chalo tumhe bhi samjha dete hai.,...

main phele he keh chuka hai badmazhab ajj se nahi barsoo se esse juthe reference bana kar dekhate hai

main tumhe challange karta ho jai yeh books haseel karoo page no. dekho aur agar koi kufriya ebarat lekhe ho tu yaha bhi scan karo

agar nahi hogee tu apne mun per tamacha raseed karoo geeee.

aur jao 18 qabroo ka haal dekho wo bataingee Maslake Ahlesunaat aur brelve haq haq haq hai.


Aslamoalykum


Chalo sirf aik baar apnay dil par hath rakh kar kaho keh agar for example yeh reference in kitaboon main say nikal aaeen to phir tumhara kiya jawab hoga, phir bhi tum brelviat ki himayat karo gay?


lokking for your reply
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Muhammad Arsalan !!! wrote:
tum ne bhi jahaleyaat ke entheea kardee chalo tumhe bhi samjha dete hai.,...

main phele he keh chuka hai badmazhab ajj se nahi barsoo se esse juthe reference bana kar dekhate hai

main tumhe challange karta ho jai yeh books haseel karoo page no. dekho aur agar koi kufriya ebarat lekhe ho tu yaha bhi scan karo

agar nahi hogee tu apne mun per tamacha raseed karoo geeee.

aur jao 18 qabroo ka haal dekho wo bataingee Maslake Ahlesunaat aur brelve haq haq haq hai.


Arsalan Bhai... Lagta hai is forum me sirf aap hi aalim hain baki sab jahil hain... ok can you prove your beliefs from the life of sahabas or tabieens or taba tabieens... the beliefs you have got are only a 150-200 years old, started after Raza Khan bralevi. Re.. the pictures you have shown... first of all pictures, videos are haram in Islam and there are ahadith about it. Lets say even if the person you showed in the picture was a right person who knows on which action of his ALLAH forgave him, there was a bad woman in earlier times she just gave water to a dog and just because of that one act ALLAH forgave her... please see the tafsir of the first two ayats of the para 6. this is the real Islam according to Quran and Hadith,
یعنی اگر کسی میں دین یا دنیا کا عیب معلوم ہو تو اس کو مشہور نہ کرنا چاہئے۔ خدا تعالیٰ سب کی بات سنتا ہے اور سب کے کام کو جانتا ہے۔ ہر ایک کو اس کے موافق جزا دے گا۔ اسی کو غیبت کہتے ہیں۔ البتہ مظلوم کو رخصت ہے کہ ظالم کا ظلم لوگوں سے بیان کرے۔ ایسے ہی بعضی اور صورتوں میں بھی غیبت روا ہے اور یہ حکم یہاں شاید اس لئے فرمایا کہ مسلمان کو چاہئے کہ کسی منافق کا نام مشہور نہ کرے اور علی الاعلان اس کو بدنام نہ کرے اس میں وہ بگڑ کر شاید بے باک ہو جائے بلکہ مبہم نصیحت کرے۔ منافق آپ سمجھ لے گا یا تنہائی میں نصیحت کرے۔ اس طرح شاید ہدایت قبول کر لے۔ چنانچہ حضرت محمد ﷺ بھی ایسا ہی کرتے تھے کسی کا نام لے کر مشہور نہیں فرماتے تھے



ف۲ اس آیت میں مظلوم کو معافی کی رغبت دلانی منظور ہے کہ حق تعالیٰ زبردست اور قدرت والا ہو کر خطا والوں کی خطا بخشتا ہے۔ بندہ زیردست عاجز کو تو بطریق اولیٰ دوسروں کا قصور معاف کر دینا چاہئے۔ خلاصہ یہ ہوا کہ مظلوم کو ظالم سے بدلہ لینا جائز ہے مگر افضل یہ ہے کہ صبر کرے اور بخش دے۔ آیت میں اشارہ ہے اس طرف کہ منافقوں کی اصلاح چاہتے ہو تو ان کی ایذا اور شرارت پر صبر کرو اور نرمی اور پردہ سے ان کو سمجھاؤ۔ ظاہر کی طعن اور لعن سے بچو اور کھلا مخالف مت بناؤ۔

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deobani apni kufriya ibarat ka jawab kyon nahi dete Reply with quote
dear Arsalan.

jo log kufriya ibarton ko chupane aur mitane men lage hon. aur Difa e kufria ibarat hi ka roll
ada kar rahen hon . un se ap ye umeed mat rakho ke wo mufti farooq ke kabar ki 3 sal bad kabar kushai ka rooh parwar manzar
dekh kar iman pe ajain ge. agar saare hi momin ban jain ge to shetan ko kon follow kare ga. yad he na ke shetan ne kya kaha tha ke
mere liye ALLAH hi kafi he men kisi aur ko sajda kyon karon.jab samjhane ka time aya to shetan kya kaha ke ye to sirf maati se bana bashar he jab ke men aag se bana hon. aj ke ye iblees ko follow karne wale bi kya kehte he SARKAR SALALLAHO ALEH WASALLAM ke bare men HUZOOR ko had se na barhao ye sirf bashar hen. hena ibless ur deobandi men kitni mumaslat. to dear dont try to show them mufti farooq blessful grave.
inki jahiliyat ki had ho gai ke hum se hamare akabreen ki ibarton ko tor more ke pesh kar rahe hen aur poori koshish men lage hen ke kisi tarha se badnam karen . bajai ke apni islah karen . jitni printing aur pasting shaby ne ki he hamare akabreen ke khilaf un sub pasting men se koi ibarat aise nahi jis pe kisi ka fatwa laga ho .. . jab kisi ke nazdeek in 200 salon men koi ibarat naqabil hi nahi to fatwa kahan se aai ga. aur in jahilon ko dekho ke 200 sal bad aj ye in ibarat pe tanqeed kar rahen he. jin ko inn ke apne buzurgo ne study kar ke apna ilm barhaya he. ye to inn ki halat he aur baten bari bari kar rahen hen jab ke jo deobandyon aur wahabyon ki kufria ibarat jin pe ham tanqeed karte hen un ibarton pe madina ke 150 ulma ne kufr ka fatwa diya he. aur bangladesh ke kai umla karam ne bhi kufr ka fatwa diya he . pak gove ne inn kitabon per hi pabandi laga di he. ab kya reh gaya bhai .
ab kis ka intizar kar rahe ho. aur suno . amir usmani a big alim of deobandi living in india accepted all and confessed . us ne in ibarton ke kufria hone per aitraf kya he aur kaha ke agar waqai maslak deoband haq chahta he to wo inn kufria ibarton wali books ko chorahe pe rakh ke aag laga de YE Bat bilkul te he ke baqaida tor pe deobandyon ki kufria ibarat hen,,, its proved and admitted . ab phir bi zid karte hen to jawab den lekin hatdharmi ye he ke dosron se jawab talab kar rahen hen jin ki ibarton pe aj tak kisi ne koi ghalat fatwa nahi diya .. . . defalutter kon howa jo proved howa ab koi mane ya na mane defaulter proved he.
lekin in sub baton ko bilkul ignore kar ke sare ke sare deobandi difa e kufria ibarat men barh char ke hissa le rahe hen.
i think ab inn deobandyoin se jawab mangne ka koi faida nahi. aik cheez ka wajood hi nahi to yeh beechare kya karen ge.

ALLAMA IQBAL ne bi farmaya ke imam ahmad raza apne waqt ke imam e azam ABU HANIFA(RA) the . ye alfaz ALHAMDULILAH ALLAMA IQBAL ke hen jin ko mutafika tor pe sub ASHIQ E RASOOL JANTE HEN. aur ALLAMA IQBAL NE STUDY KI JABHI TO unho ne deobandyon ki harkaton se bezar ho ke baqaida tor pe in ke khilaf deobandi m hussain ka naam le ashar kahe "Armagan e hijaz kulyat e iqbal aha't punjum". ( http://www.scribd.com/doc/18368628/MaarifeRaza-July-2009 ) YAHAN se hamen ye bhi pata chalta he ke HAZRAT ALLAMA IQBAL ka jhukao kis taraf tha kiis se unhen mohabat thi aur kin se unhe nafrat thi. then i came to know deoband AQAID which are wrong . yahan tak ke HUZOOR KE WALIDEN KE BARE MEN IN ka aqeeda bilkul nafrat angez he .ye log SARKAR (S.A.W) ke waliden ke liye ye aqeed rakhte hen ke MAZALLAH wo jannati nahi. mushrik hen . kya ye bat hazam hone wali he kisi momin musaman ke liye .aj koi hamare waliden ko zara sa bura bhala kahe hm us se lar parte hen kyon ke hm apne parents se mohabbaat kate hen.jab ke afsos ki bat he k koi MADINA KE TAJDAR , JIS KE LIYE DUNYA O KAINAT BANI.AUR JIS KI MAHOBBAT KA HUM DAM BHARTE HEN . US PAK HASTI KE PAK WALIDEN KE LIYE AISA NA QABI LE BARDHAST AQEEDA.JAB KE yahan SAAF SAAF HADIS PAK ka mafhoom ke " ALLAH NE MUJE PAK QABILE MEN AUR PAK KHANDAN MEN PAIDA FARMAYA.".
jab ke yazeed ke liye inn ka aqeeda he ke wo jannati he . ye he apki deobandi jamat . IMAM UL AMBIYA ke waliden ke liye kya aqeeda he aur yazeed paleed ke liye kya aqeeda he .ALLAH KE HABIB(S.A.W) KE HABIB HAZRAT IMAM HUSSAIN(R.A) ka qatil and 3 din aur 3 raten MADINA PAK MASJIE NABWI men janwar bhandhne wala.AHLE BET ko satane wala.jis ki waja se MASJID E NABWI men azan na ho saki.IMAM E HUSSAIN (R.A) KE SAR MUBARAK ko neze ki nok per rakh ke beizzati kane wala khabis aur bad bakht sakhs depbandiyon aur wahabyon ke liye jannati he .ye log SARKAR SALALLAHO ALEH WASALLAM ki shafat ke bi munkir hen.hafiz aur alim and nabalig bache ki shafat ko to mante hen lekin jab SARKAR SALALLAHO ALEH WASSALAM ke shafai hone ki bat aati he to munkir ban jate hen.jab ke HAZRAT ABDUL HAQ MOHADIS DEHELVI farmate hen ke QAYAMAT KA DIN SARKAR(S.A.W) ki SHAFAT ka hi din ho ga .ALLAH apne MEHBOOB se farmate he ke hm APKO itna den ge k AP khush ho jain ge.SUBHANALLAH.SUBHANALLAH.JIS ka zikr ALLAH KHUD buland kare and apne mehboob logon se buland karwai to kon he jo rok sakta he.
hum lakh tableeg kar len agr aqeeda he ghalat he to sub kuch ghalat he . ALLAH SAVE US FROM THESE SORT OF PEOPLE. jo log STUDY NAHI karte,fiker nahi karte aur bher bakrio ki tarhan in ke rewar men shamil ho jate hen IN LOGON Ke hidden aqaid ko kabhi samajh nahi pate . even jab hamari chai men koi machar bi gir jai to hm chai nahi peete kyon ke hum ahtiat karte hen careful rehte hen lekin jab kisi ki imamat men numaz parhte hen to blindly bagair
aqaid jane us ke peeche numaz parh lete hen . yani iman ki fikr hamen kam he lekin jab khane peene ki cheez men fiker ziada he.
i appeal my dear fellows plz try ur level best to study more and more than forward ur step.aur jo log ye believe karen ya apko kahen k sub choro aur amal hi amal karo to dear samajhlo bager ache AQAID ke amal ki hesiat aise he jese kisi box men saman bharte rehen aur jab baroz e qayamat us box ko kholen to us men kuch na ho aur wo khali ho.so again its requested to study and follow only those who dont have any defect (nuks) in thier hearts . duaon ka talabgar . M


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Valiant sahib we all believe in Quran don't we?

Go and read the first two ayats of the Quran, I have already posted the tafseer of those two ayats, shall we try to act upon these ayats... The Quran is for our practice not for debates...

Also one brother mentioned earlier about another ayat of Quran... to the nearest meaning... ALLAH ki rasi ko mazbooti se thame rakho aur tafaroke me mat paro.

Our Prophet (saw) spread Islam with best Akhlaq... how are you trying to spread it?
we all agree that Allama Iqbal was a great poet, can you show us where did he say that Raza khan was ...

How can you say tableegh is not right... whereas this the biggest sunna of our Prophet (saw), also in Quran to the nearest meaning ALLAH (swt) says "whose words can be better than him who calls people towards ALLAH and says I am from the ordinary Muslims"

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Dear Nawab Bhai Aslamoalykum


I have just one request and just one answer keh aapki saari baatain sar aankhon par laikin mera sawal phir bhi apni jaga hay keh "agar yeh batain deobandi karain to wo gustakh aur iblees laikin agar yehi batain koi brelvi karay to yeh sirf "fazool Posting" hay" Yeh kiya Tazzad hay aap sirf yeh keh kar jaan nahin chura saktay keh yeh fazool posting hay please reply me qk main nay scanned pages bhi apni post main shamil kiyee hain unkay baray main kiya khiyal hay.

Please be Ashiq-Rasool instead of Ashiq-e-Raza Khan or someone else.

Regards
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valiant wrote:
dear Arsalan.

jo log kufriya ibarton ko chupane aur mitane men lage hon. aur Difa e kufria ibarat hi ka roll
ada kar rahen hon . un se ap ye umeed mat rakho ke wo mufti farooq ke kabar ki 3 sal bad kabar kushai ka rooh parwar manzar
dekh kar iman pe ajain ge. agar saare hi momin ban jain ge to shetan ko kon follow kare ga. yad he na ke shetan ne kya kaha tha ke
mere liye ALLAH hi kafi he men kisi aur ko sajda kyon karon.jab samjhane ka time aya to shetan kya kaha ke ye to sirf maati se bana bashar he jab ke men aag se bana hon. aj ke ye iblees ko follow karne wale bi kya kehte he SARKAR SALALLAHO ALEH WASALLAM ke bare men HUZOOR ko had se na barhao ye sirf bashar hen. hena ibless ur deobandi men kitni mumaslat. to dear dont try to show them mufti farooq blessful grave.
inki jahiliyat ki had ho gai ke hum se hamare akabreen ki ibarton ko tor more ke pesh kar rahe hen aur poori koshish men lage hen ke kisi tarha se badnam karen . bajai ke apni islah karen . jitni printing aur pasting shaby ne ki he hamare akabreen ke khilaf un sub pasting men se koi ibarat aise nahi jis pe kisi ka fatwa laga ho .. . jab kisi ke nazdeek in 200 salon men koi ibarat naqabil hi nahi to fatwa kahan se aai ga. aur in jahilon ko dekho ke 200 sal bad aj ye in ibarat pe tanqeed kar rahen he. jin ko inn ke apne buzurgo ne study kar ke apna ilm barhaya he. ye to inn ki halat he aur baten bari bari kar rahen hen jab ke jo deobandyon aur wahabyon ki kufria ibarat jin pe ham tanqeed karte hen un ibarton pe madina ke 150 ulma ne kufr ka fatwa diya he. aur bangladesh ke kai umla karam ne bhi kufr ka fatwa diya he . pak gove ne inn kitabon per hi pabandi laga di he. ab kya reh gaya bhai .
ab kis ka intizar kar rahe ho. aur suno . amir usmani a big alim of deobandi living in india accepted all and confessed . us ne in ibarton ke kufria hone per aitraf kya he aur kaha ke agar waqai maslak deoband haq chahta he to wo inn kufria ibarton wali books ko chorahe pe rakh ke aag laga de YE Bat bilkul te he ke baqaida tor pe deobandyon ki kufria ibarat hen,,, its proved and admitted . ab phir bi zid karte hen to jawab den lekin hatdharmi ye he ke dosron se jawab talab kar rahen hen jin ki ibarton pe aj tak kisi ne koi ghalat fatwa nahi diya .. . . defalutter kon howa jo proved howa ab koi mane ya na mane defaulter proved he.
lekin in sub baton ko bilkul ignore kar ke sare ke sare deobandi difa e kufria ibarat men barh char ke hissa le rahe hen.
i think ab inn deobandyoin se jawab mangne ka koi faida nahi. aik cheez ka wajood hi nahi to yeh beechare kya karen ge.

ALLAMA IQBAL ne bi farmaya ke imam ahmad raza apne waqt ke imam e azam ABU HANIFA(RA) the . ye alfaz ALHAMDULILAH ALLAMA IQBAL ke hen jin ko mutafika tor pe sub ASHIQ E RASOOL JANTE HEN. aur ALLAMA IQBAL NE STUDY KI JABHI TO unho ne deobandyon ki harkaton se bezar ho ke baqaida tor pe in ke khilaf deobandi m hussain ka naam le ashar kahe "Armagan e hijaz kulyat e iqbal aha't punjum". ( http://www.scribd.com/doc/18368628/MaarifeRaza-July-2009 ) YAHAN se hamen ye bhi pata chalta he ke HAZRAT ALLAMA IQBAL ka jhukao kis taraf tha kiis se unhen mohabat thi aur kin se unhe nafrat thi. then i came to know deoband AQAID which are wrong . yahan tak ke HUZOOR KE WALIDEN KE BARE MEN IN ka aqeeda bilkul nafrat angez he .ye log SARKAR (S.A.W) ke waliden ke liye ye aqeed rakhte hen ke MAZALLAH wo jannati nahi. mushrik hen . kya ye bat hazam hone wali he kisi momin musaman ke liye .aj koi hamare waliden ko zara sa bura bhala kahe hm us se lar parte hen kyon ke hm apne parents se mohabbaat kate hen.jab ke afsos ki bat he k koi MADINA KE TAJDAR , JIS KE LIYE DUNYA O KAINAT BANI.AUR JIS KI MAHOBBAT KA HUM DAM BHARTE HEN . US PAK HASTI KE PAK WALIDEN KE LIYE AISA NA QABI LE BARDHAST AQEEDA.JAB KE yahan SAAF SAAF HADIS PAK ka mafhoom ke " ALLAH NE MUJE PAK QABILE MEN AUR PAK KHANDAN MEN PAIDA FARMAYA.".
jab ke yazeed ke liye inn ka aqeeda he ke wo jannati he . ye he apki deobandi jamat . IMAM UL AMBIYA ke waliden ke liye kya aqeeda he aur yazeed paleed ke liye kya aqeeda he .ALLAH KE HABIB(S.A.W) KE HABIB HAZRAT IMAM HUSSAIN(R.A) ka qatil and 3 din aur 3 raten MADINA PAK MASJIE NABWI men janwar bhandhne wala.AHLE BET ko satane wala.jis ki waja se MASJID E NABWI men azan na ho saki.IMAM E HUSSAIN (R.A) KE SAR MUBARAK ko neze ki nok per rakh ke beizzati kane wala khabis aur bad bakht sakhs depbandiyon aur wahabyon ke liye jannati he .ye log SARKAR SALALLAHO ALEH WASALLAM ki shafat ke bi munkir hen.hafiz aur alim and nabalig bache ki shafat ko to mante hen lekin jab SARKAR SALALLAHO ALEH WASSALAM ke shafai hone ki bat aati he to munkir ban jate hen.jab ke HAZRAT ABDUL HAQ MOHADIS DEHELVI farmate hen ke QAYAMAT KA DIN SARKAR(S.A.W) ki SHAFAT ka hi din ho ga .ALLAH apne MEHBOOB se farmate he ke hm APKO itna den ge k AP khush ho jain ge.SUBHANALLAH.SUBHANALLAH.JIS ka zikr ALLAH KHUD buland kare and apne mehboob logon se buland karwai to kon he jo rok sakta he.
hum lakh tableeg kar len agr aqeeda he ghalat he to sub kuch ghalat he . ALLAH SAVE US FROM THESE SORT OF PEOPLE. jo log STUDY NAHI karte,fiker nahi karte aur bher bakrio ki tarhan in ke rewar men shamil ho jate hen IN LOGON Ke hidden aqaid ko kabhi samajh nahi pate . even jab hamari chai men koi machar bi gir jai to hm chai nahi peete kyon ke hum ahtiat karte hen careful rehte hen lekin jab kisi ki imamat men numaz parhte hen to blindly bagair
aqaid jane us ke peeche numaz parh lete hen . yani iman ki fikr hamen kam he lekin jab khane peene ki cheez men fiker ziada he.
i appeal my dear fellows plz try ur level best to study more and more than forward ur step.aur jo log ye believe karen ya apko kahen k sub choro aur amal hi amal karo to dear samajhlo bager ache AQAID ke amal ki hesiat aise he jese kisi box men saman bharte rehen aur jab baroz e qayamat us box ko kholen to us men kuch na ho aur wo khali ho.so again its requested to study and follow only those who dont have any defect (nuks) in thier hearts . duaon ka talabgar . M



Respected Brother Nawab

Sorry for late reply but i was busy please pardon me.

Aapki khidmat main Allama Iqbal kay kuch irshadat hazir hain


۱۔دیوبند ایک ضرورت تھی ۔اس سے مقصود تھا ایک روایت کا تسلسل وہ روایت جس سے ہماری تعلیم کا رشتہ ماضی سے قائم ہے ۔
(اقبال کے حضور ص ۳۹۲)

۲۔ میری رائے ہے کہ دیوبند اور ندوہ کے لوگوں کی عربی علمیت ہماری دوسری یونیورسٹیوںکے گریجویٹ سے بہت زیادہ ہوتی ہے ۔
(اقبال نامہ حصہ دوم ص۳۲۲ )

۳۔ میں آپ (صاحبزادہ آفتاب احمد خان) کی اس تجویز سے پورے طور متفق ہوں کہ دیوبند اور لکھئنو (ندوہ) کے بہترین مواد کو بر سرِکار لانے کی کوئی سبیل نکالی جائے ۔
(اقبال نامہ حصہ دوم ص ۷۱۲)

۴۔ایک بار کسی نے علامہ مرحوم سے پوچھا کہ دیوبندی کیا کوئی فرقہ ہے ؟ کہا نہیں ہر معقولیت پسند دیندار کا نام دیوبندی ہے ۔
(علماءدیوبند کا مسلک ص ۵۵)

۵۔مولوی اشرف علی تھانوی سے پوچھئے وہ اس (مثنوی مولانارومؒ) کی تفسیر کس طرح کرتے ہیں میں اس (مثنوی کی تفسیر کے ) بارے میں انہی کا مقلد ہوں ۔
(مقالات اقبال ص ۰۸۱)

۶۔میں ان (مولانا سید حسین احمد مد نیؒ ) کے احترام میں کسی اور مسلمان سے پیچھے نہیں ہوں ۔
(انوار اقبال ص ۷۶۱)

۷۔نیز فرماتے ہیں مولانا (سید حسین احمد مدنیؒ) کی حمیت دینی کے احترام میں میں ان کے کسی عقیدت مند سے پیچھے نہیں ہوں ۔
(انواراقبال ص ۰۷۱)

۸۔. اس ( وہٹر ) کے متعلق مولوی سید انور شاہ صاحب سے جو دنیا ئے اسلام سے جید ترین محدث وقت میں سے ہیں میری خط و کتابت ہوئی ۔
(انوار اقبال ص ۵۵۲)

۹۔مجدد الف ثانیؒ عالمگیرؒاور مولانا اسمعٰیل شہید رحمتہ اﷲ علیہم نے اسلامی سیر ت کے احیاءکی کوشش کی مگر صوفیاءکی کثرت اور صدیوں کی جمع شدہ قوت نے اس گروہ احرار کو کامےاب نہ ہونے دیا ۔
(اقبال نامہ حصہ دوم ص ۹۴)

۰۱۔مولانا شبلی رحمتہ اﷲ علیہ (م۲۳۳۱ ھ ۴۱۹۱ ئ) کے بعد آپ (حضرت مولانا سید سلمان ندوی خلیفہ مجازحضرت حکیم الامت مولانا اشرف علی تھانویؒ ) اساذ الکل ہیں ۔
(اقبال نامہ حصہ اول ص ۰۸)

عرضئہ اقبال بخدمت مولانا انور شاہ کشمیریؒ
مخدوم و مکر م حضرت قبلہ مولانا ! اسلامُ علیکم ورحمتہ اﷲ و برکاتہ ۔

مجھے ماسٹر عبد اﷲ صاحب سے ابھی معلوم ہوا کے آپ انجمن خدام الدین کے جلسے میں تشریف لائے ہیں اور ایک دو روز قیام فرمائیں گئے میں اسے اپنی بڑی سعادت تصّور کروں گا ۔اگر آپ کل شا م اپنے دیرینہ مخلص کے ہاں کھانا کھائیں جناب کی وساطت سے حضرت مولوی حبیب ارحمٰن صاحب قبلہ عثمانی حضرت مولوی بشیر احمد صاحب اور جناب مفتی عزیز الرحمٰن صاحب کی خدمت میں یہ ہی التماس ہے
۔مجھے امید ہے کہ جناب اس عریضے کو شرفِ قبولیت بخشیں گے ۔آپ کو قیام گاہ سے لانے کے لیے سواری ےہاں سے بھیج دی جائے گی ۔



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Respected Nawab Bhai aslamoalykum


Dear this is just for your satisfaction because i am happy being a Muslim instead of SUnny Deobandi etc etc.

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Maulana Tariq jameel-bayan in BARELVI brothers 1



Maulana Tariq jameel-bayan in BARELVI brothers 2



Maulana Tariq jameel-bayan in BARELVI brothers 3


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tum deobandee ke ankhe khul janee chahe 18 qabree khulnee ke baad khas kar mufti farooq attare per ALLAH ke karooro rehmateen nazeel ho 3.5 years k baad ALLAH ne tumhe moqa deya hai k Maslak-e-ahle haq ko pehchanoo
jo murda etne tume k baad sahi pata jai uss ka kafan taroo taza paya jai uss ka imama sahi paya jai aut ess k baad bhi ess se mun pher kar aur deoband k akaabreen k kufriyaat chupaane k leye brelvi per juthe ilzaam lagane mein lagee rahna sakht hamaqat hai...

tum loog ashraf ali thanvi jese kafir k kufriyat ka kabhi reply nahi karoo gee bas badla lene k leye imam e ahlesunnat per ungli uthaoo gee. kya tum aleem ho unn kufriyaat ke baat karo jes per saudia k ulama ne kufur ka fatwa deya ha... wo batate hue bolte q band ho jate hai...

abhi bhi waqt hai ahla hazraat per tanqeed karne k bejai sahi rah per aoo

aur 200 saal phele brelve ne kuch naya nahi nikala balkee islam ke shai taleemat phelai aur esse dooran najald se fasad bharpaa hua abdul wahab per ALLAH ke lanat ho jes ne firqa bana kar ajj tak app logo ko gumrah keye hue hai aur ashraf ali thanvi ke book parhoo agar heemat hai tu Hifzul iman... leken tum nahi parhoo gee agar tumhare naseeb mein hedayat nahi hogee tu....


Dawateislame ke qabree khulee kar jo manzaar samnee aya usse dekh kar tu najdi wahabi deoband bhi ahle sunnat banee leken tum kese deobanad ho etna sab dekhne k baad bhi behes pe behes karee ja rahe hoo

kufriyat kese kehte hai phele yeh samjhoo aur jaa kar maloom karo phele har baat baat pe kufur asal mein tum loog bahana dhoondtee ho imam e ahlesunnat ko maslak ko kamzoor karnee ke leken Alhamdulellah jetna bura sochte ho utna he acha hota hia...


ISLAM KE SAHI TALEEMAT K LEYE DEKHE "MADANI CHANNEL"
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Mere pyare bhai... mera khyal he kai tum no wo 6th sapare ki pehli do ayato ka tarjuma nahin dekha... mein aap ko kia dekhana chahta hoon aur aap kya batein kar rahe hain...

Foget about Maulana Ashraf ali thanvi, Raza khan etc. ALLAH will not ask me about them. ALLAH will ask me about my life and also he will not compare my life with any Maulana or Raza khan but he will compare my life with Prophet (saw) life, the more closer my life is to the life of Muhammad (saw)... greater will be the chances to be sucessful.

Now I am not saying that do not respect ulama, mashaikh... we should respect them but we will follow our Prophet (saw) and Sahaba... as in a hadith to the nearest meaning Prophet (saw) said my sahaba are like shining stars whomever you will follow you will get guidance.

If an alim or anyone who will tell us that follow them this means this alim is right and if he doesn't do this means he is wrong.

Please prove your belives from the life of prophet (saw) and sahaba, so that we come on the right track as well... we dont want to argue with you.

I have got an advise for you always try to prove things from Quran, Hadith and the life of sahaba or from authentic books.

I will tell you about myself... I join the effort of tableegh (its not a firqa, we have got no special beliefs) now I never said that Maulana Ilyas said this and that... so why are you bringing your ala hazrat in this discussion.

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Also forgot to mention you know Mahmood Ghaznavi... of course you will know him, he wasn't a bralevi and when they dig out his grave due to some reasons, they found him in such a situation that someone has burried him few hours before...

I told you about the story of one bad woman whom ALLAH (swt) forgave just because she gave water to a thirsty dog. Also pictures are haram and how can you prove that this screenshot of Newspaper is genuine.

We know about newspapers, they can write everything just to sell their newspapers. One christian colleague at my work place was trying to impress me with some similar kiramats, even hindu jogis they have got some special kiramats which me and you dont have ... so does that mean they are right?
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intehai afsos ka muqam hay .. janab rashdi sahab kay liyay.

saree taqreer main fazaile-e-sadaqat kee burayan kertay rahay lakin itny twofeeq nahi huee kay ummat ko masail kay hal tajweez fermatay.

1 billion mulsaman main say 10% bhee 5 wat kee namaz nahi parhtay ... aur yeah sahab .. is chakker main hayn kay kis tarah sastee shouhrat hasil kee jaye..

very shame ful act for him.
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that is the problem... they are not using the minbar for spreading love they only use it to spread hatred amongst the muslim... this is completely against the teachings of Islam... I have listened to so many talks in tableegh... never heard an alim wasting his energies on falana is doing this and dhimkana is doing that... they dont talk about problems, they only talk about solutions to the problem.

there is a warning for all of us in the hadith below:


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this thing is on record that how peaceful is tableegi jamat . raiwand hi k ijtima ki misal le lo ke aik bhai jo beechara
in deobandyon ko sunni samajh ke ijtima phonch gaya . wahan us mazloom ne naara lagaya
NAAR A E RISALAT YA RASOOLALLAH . bus in deobandyon ne RASOOLALLAH ke haq men naara sunna that ke us mazloom ko in danda bardaar wahshyon ne mar mar ke adh mowa ka diya. how peaceful they r .
sunni logon ko her waqt shirk bidati najaiz se hi yad karna in peaceful logon ka kam he. aur ye danda bardar khud kesi kese violent tanzeem ke supprter hen . baitullah mahsood , nam nihad taliban , fazlullah mullah umar . ye saare aik
aik he khate chate hen . burai karni ho to inn ko sunni hi milte hen ,. men ne an ginat bayan sune jin men ye log sub sunnyon ke liye shirk shirk karte hen. kabhi kisi ne suna ke tablegi ne baitullah mahsood jo beechare begunah logon ko khud khash balst me killing karte rahete hen . they love these violent people bcoz wo sub ke sub deobandi hi hen . aik hi categories ke jahil tabka he . chahe fazloo deezal ki soorat men ho ya rasheed ahmed gahghhi ya qasim nanotwi ki sooratt menk ho... .... aik bari hakikat jo gustakhana ibarton ki he jis se aaj bhi ye deobandi nazren churate hen aur lagta he in ibarton pe iman lai hen. khud inn ke depbandi ulma and mufti ne in ke hi akabreen ke khilaf kai fatwe de diye hin . aur hakikat inhi logo se aashkar ho gai he, . dekho ALLAH ne dikha diya. inn ki deobani kufria ibarat pe inke hi deobandi muftyon ne fatwi de diye. kash pehle hi ye log madina 150 ulma ke fatwe hi man lete. lekin ziddi iblees ki khaslat he . jo itni asani se nahi jai gi. lekin fatwa zarur mulahiza ho. umeed he haq ko tasleem kya jai and hypocrite munafqeen se door raha jai .
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valiant wrote:
this thing is on record that how peaceful is tableegi jamat . raiwand hi k ijtima ki misal le lo ke aik bhai jo beechara
in deobandyon ko sunni samajh ke ijtima phonch gaya . wahan us mazloom ne naara lagaya
NAAR A E RISALAT YA RASOOLALLAH . bus in deobandyon ne RASOOLALLAH ke haq men naara sunna that ke us mazloom ko in danda bardaar wahshyon ne mar mar ke adh mowa ka diya. how peaceful they r .
sunni logon ko her waqt shirk bidati najaiz se hi yad karna in peaceful logon ka kam he. aur ye danda bardar khud kesi kese violent tanzeem ke supprter hen . baitullah mahsood , nam nihad taliban , fazlullah mullah umar . ye saare aik
aik he khate chate hen . burai karni ho to inn ko sunni hi milte hen ,. men ne an ginat bayan sune jin men ye log sub sunnyon ke liye shirk shirk karte hen. kabhi kisi ne suna ke tablegi ne baitullah mahsood jo beechare begunah logon ko khud khash balst me killing karte rahete hen . they love these violent people bcoz wo sub ke sub deobandi hi hen . aik hi categories ke jahil tabka he . chahe fazloo deezal ki soorat men ho ya rasheed ahmed gahghhi ya qasim nanotwi ki sooratt menk ho... .... aik bari hakikat jo gustakhana ibarton ki he jis se aaj bhi ye deobandi nazren churate hen aur lagta he in ibarton pe iman lai hen. khud inn ke depbandi ulma and mufti ne in ke hi akabreen ke khilaf kai fatwe de diye hin . aur hakikat inhi logo se aashkar ho gai he, . dekho ALLAH ne dikha diya. inn ki deobani kufria ibarat pe inke hi deobandi muftyon ne fatwi de diye. kash pehle hi ye log madina 150 ulma ke fatwe hi man lete. lekin ziddi iblees ki khaslat he . jo itni asani se nahi jai gi. lekin fatwa zarur mulahiza ho. umeed he haq ko tasleem kya jai and hypocrite munafqeen se door raha jai .


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