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Tableeghi Jamaat theek hay ya nahin


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Tableeghi Jamaat theek hay ya nahin
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sahi hai agar yeh sab galat hai tu jao
Geo news k daftaar or pocho k dawateislami ke muballege aur muballegat ke 18 qabree jo khule hai uss mein se app ke pass ketnoo ke video hai aur phir uss ko dekho kya geo news waloo ko bhi khareeda hua hai jes news paper k office jana chahte ho jao balkee tum ne ess paper ko galat kaha hia na tu ess pe date lekhe hai jao paper khud lee kar dekh loo

Aqalmand k leye eshara kafi hota hai baqi hedayat sab k naseeb mein nahi hotee. wo tu Allah ke taraf se meelte hai.
abhi bhi time hai akhee khol loo aur yehe dua ke ja sakte hai k gumraah loogo ka haal gumraah logo k sath hooo.



Bhai arsalan Q hum sab yeh haqiqat nahin smajhtay keh kuffar hum musalmano ko taqseem kar kay shikast dena chahtay hain, aur agar aap kisi bhi firqay kay molvi say yeh sawal poochain keh "sub-continent kay Musalmano main firqa bandi kis nay shroo ki" to sab ulama ka mutfiqa bayaan hoga Angraiz nay. Laikin rona is cheez ka hay keh hum sab angraiz ki taqseem par fakhar kartay hain, aur koi banda apnay aap ko Musalmaan nahin kehlata balkeh sunni, wahabi, shia, deobandi kehlata hay.
what is this brother we are one we all are Muslim and we all are makhlooq of Allah SWT and we are follower of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) our Quarn is one, our prophet is one then why we are in these sect,

please forgive me and pray for me that may Allah give us a right way.


Any question in this regard s will be welcomed, yuo can send me e-mail if you wants. i will give you my e-mail address.


regards

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Geo kiya dekhata he aru kiya nahi woh korron wali filme bhi geo ne dekahye the jo ke fake thi.
is liye me ne kaha na me ager batane beth joon to sadiyan lag jaye. deen ka kaem jo karta he us ko batane ke aur mashoor bazi ke liye nahi show karte. dekhlawa kon karta he aru us ka anjame kiya hota he woh sub ko maloom he. so i reject this fake photoes.
sub se phle ager jiseem sahi tha to face per noor hoan chayeh tha jo ke lag nahi raha . ab khud dekho sub dost khuub dekh lien eiktaref kabber he dosri taref picture. ya to kabber ke ander se dkeahte na . so arslana thsi is fake ok.
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jes ko nahi smajahna hota wo sadiyooo mein bhi nahi samajhta
agar juth hai tu q apne ankooh se live manazeer dekhne nahi gaye hazaroo loogo ne dekha hai mazaar per jaa kar kya sab fake hai sab k sasb galat hai sab k sab ko doora parha hai aur noor kee baat karte hoo phele baat tu yeh hai k face per tu kafan paara hai app ne kya pic dekhe hai ...

fake samjhoo ya kuch bhi samjhoo haq haq he rahe gaaa
18 qabree ess baat ke gawahee dete hai maslak-e-ahlesunnat is haq dawateislamie wali k faizan se chal rahe hai

اللہ کرم ايسا کرے تجھ پہ جہاں ميں
اے دعوتِ اسلامي تيري دھوم مچي ہو
فيضان دعوت اسلامي
جاري رہے? گا

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saree firqoo mein ekhteellaf rahee gaa q k ibne maaja ke hadees hai jes ka mafhoo kuch yu hai k Sarkar Sallallaho Alahe wasallam ne farmaya bani israeel ke qaum mein 72 firqe the mere ummat mein 73 hongee aur uss mein 1 naje yani jannate hogaa ess baat ke khabar hummee 1400 saal phele meel chuke hai ess leye sirf 1 he firqa haq per hai tabhee tu ajj duniya mein etne ekhteelafat ho gai hai app bhool jai k kabhi yeh sab 1 ho saktee hai jen ke app ne name leye hai...
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saree firqoo mein ekhteellaf rahee gaa q k ibne maaja ke hadees hai jes ka mafhoo kuch yu hai k Sarkar Sallallaho Alahe wasallam ne farmaya bani israeel ke qaum mein 72 firqe the mere ummat mein 73 hongee aur uss mein 1 naje yani jannate hogaa ess baat ke khabar hummee 1400 saal phele meel chuke hai ess leye sirf 1 he firqa haq per hai tabhee tu ajj duniya mein etne ekhteelafat ho gai hai app bhool jai k kabhi yeh sab 1 ho saktee hai jen ke app ne name leye hai...


Arsalan yeh baat nahin balkeh hum sab is laanat ko khatam kar saktay hain, qk Quran main Allah ka farman hay "Allah ki rassi ko mazbooti say pakarlo"
so why we cannot do the same why,

please forgive me if my words hurt you.
any question will be welcomed.

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saree firqoo mein ekhteellaf rahee gaa q k ibne maaja ke hadees hai jes ka mafhoo kuch yu hai k Sarkar Sallallaho Alahe wasallam ne farmaya bani israeel ke qaum mein 72 firqe the mere ummat mein 73 hongee aur uss mein 1 naje yani jannate hogaa ess baat ke khabar hummee 1400 saal phele meel chuke hai ess leye sirf 1 he firqa haq per hai tabhee tu ajj duniya mein etne ekhteelafat ho gai hai app bhool jai k kabhi yeh sab 1 ho saktee hai jen ke app ne name leye hai...

Arsalan Saheb. Ye jo hadees me 73 firgoon ke baat hai isay he bunyad bana kar her firqa sochta hai kay wo saheeh hain. Marey nacheez raiha me Janat me janay walay woo loog ho gain jo Quran aur Ahadeez see braherast rahnamai hasil kara gain.
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app shai keh rahe hia k Allah ke rassi ko mazboote se thaam lee leken cool bhai yeh hedayat sab ke naseeb mein nahi hai
main bhi kya yeh nahi chahta balkee har muslim yeh nahi chahta k essa ho jai esse loog jo gumraah hai unn ke taadat tu zaroor kaam ho sakte hai leken firqa khatam ho jai ess baree mein tu main kuch nahi keh saktaaa

q k 150 saal se jo firq chala araaha hai usse ulama ne har door mein unn loogo ko samjhanee ke khoshees ke ab app soche jo ulama ke infaradee khoseehs se na samaj sakee tu wo hamaree se kya samaj sakte hai wese khoseehs karne mein harj nahi main app k sath hooo agar essa ho jai tu madina madina hogaaa.
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mere bhai hadees hamaree rehnumaai karte hai na kaa humee yeh hadees bata kar firqoo mein bantana chahte hai...
yeh tu hona he tha aur sadioo phele yeh baat tee the k akher door essa hogaa badmazhabee aammm ho jai geee.
hume es fitne se bachane k leye Allah ne apne Nabi Sallallaho Alahe Wasallam ko yeh baat batai aur un hoo ne sahaba koo k unn k ummate per jab yeh door aii tu wo har geez badmazhab k sath na meele jhulee balkee uss firqe ko pakree jo sahaba quran ke taleemat per hooo.
hume ess fitne mein dalne k leye nahi k hum bant jai balkee humee bachane k leye hamare rehnumai k leye 1400 saal yeh baat bata deee hai...
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[color=brown]zakarya khandalvi writer of tabligi nisab fazail e amal .fazail amal men aik jaga numaz aur tilawat ki shan men bohut bari
be adbi aur ghustakhi ki he ke inhi ke aik bare mufti jin ka taluk punjab multan se he unho ne bi iss ghustakhi pe fatwa diya he k aisa admi kisi tarha be imam banane ki laiq nahi and agar us ki shadi ho gai he to usko kalma parh ke dobara nikah karna ho ga.
"numaz sab se ahem zikr he. is ke arkan men kayam sub se afzal he aur iss ke ander parhi jane wali tilawat sub se ahem afza l he . jo shaks tilawat Quran be samjhe krta he wo bukhar me mubtala ho kr hazyan (hazyan ka matlab bakwas ) bakne wale ki tarha he."
tabligi nisab , fazail e amal ,bab fazail numaz, banam aakhri guzarish .

ulma farmate he TILAWATE QURAN agar be samjhe ho ise bakwas wagera se tashbee dena sarih kufur he.
aur is ka bakne wala daira islam se kharij he. iss kisam ki kitab jis me QURAN TILAWAT ki be hurmati ho us ko
aakhir kese follow kia ja sakta he. jab tableegi aalimo ko inform kya gaya to bajai ke seriously iss pe socha jata.logo
ko inform kya jata ke wakai iss jumle me kufr he iss ko na parha jai . balke hat dharmi se chapa gaya.lekin jese jese
logo ko iss bat ka pata chala to tabligiyon ne ab ja ke apni nai kutub se iss jumle me do char alfaza change kar diye
hen khof se ke iss ghustakhana jumle ka jawab ban nahi pare ga aur log tableegi jamat se bad zan ho ge.

dosri ahem bat ye ke tableegi nisab se BABE DUROOD SHARIF bohut pehle hi nikal diya gaya he . DUROOD SHAREEF jo asal iman he us ko bager kisi imortance ke aise nikal diya jese chai se makhi.ye to MOLANA ILYAS QADRI ATTARI PE karam howa ALLAH ka ke dawate islami jesi mahekdar khushbudar tahreek start hi DUROOD PAK ke nam se howi . aur ab her taraf in ki waja se DUROOD E PAK ki baharen hen ALHAMDULILLAH. yahi DUROOD E PAK ki baharen hen ki ILYAS ATTAR QADRI Sahab ko KHUWAB ME SARKAR SALLALAHO ALEH WASSALAM ki ziarat howi and unhen international ijtima ke liye Multan shareef ka nam diya gaya. jo pehle hi oliyon ka shehr he Masha ALLAH se.[color=red]
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Jazakahllah
bahut ache maloomat app ne dee hai
\ bas dua karee k loogo ke samaj mein ajaiiii Attar ka paigaaam.
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Jazakahllah
bahut ache maloomat app ne dee hai
\ bas dua karee k loogo ke samaj mein ajaiiii Attar ka paigaaam.


Piyaray Bhai Aslamoalykum

Yaar yeh kis kaam main hum sab ulajh gayee hain, q hum ittehad ki aur ittefaq ki baat nahin kartay, why aap apnay dil say poochain kia qiamat walay din aik aisa muslmaan jo sirf firqa bandi par yaqeen rakhta ho wo kiya jannat main jany ka haqdaar hay.

Hazarat Muhammad Mustafa Sallalahu alie Wassallamm aik din Khana Kaaba kay samnay baithay thay keh Khana Kaaba ko dekh kar farmaya jis ka mafhoom hay "aye Khana Kaaba teri kitni izzat hay kitna tera ihtraam hay laikn Rab-e-Kaaba ki qasam aik Muslalman ki izzat aur ehtraam tujh say ziada hay.

So please proud to be a Muslim, not Sunni, Shia, DeoBandi, Wahabi etc etc.

Moreover, i can give you reference from any other sect's books which proves that "Achay Buray Log Har Jaga Mojoud Hauin". Hum log agar aik kaghaz par Kalma Tayyeba likha daikhtay hain aur wo kaghaz zameen par para hota haye, to hum us ko utha kar saaf kartay hain aur choom kar oonchi jaga rakh datay hain so please remember every Muslim (Apart from his sect) has Kalma in his heart so we all ahve to respect him.

please stop this discussion, and spread the message of Islam (Unity) & (love).


Regards

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Muhammad Arsalan !!! wrote:
app shai keh rahe hia k Allah ke rassi ko mazboote se thaam lee leken cool bhai yeh hedayat sab ke naseeb mein nahi hai
main bhi kya yeh nahi chahta balkee har muslim yeh nahi chahta k essa ho jai esse loog jo gumraah hai unn ke taadat tu zaroor kaam ho sakte hai leken firqa khatam ho jai ess baree mein tu main kuch nahi keh saktaaa

q k 150 saal se jo firq chala araaha hai usse ulama ne har door mein unn loogo ko samjhanee ke khoshees ke ab app soche jo ulama ke infaradee khoseehs se na samaj sakee tu wo hamaree se kya samaj sakte hai wese khoseehs karne mein harj nahi main app k sath hooo agar essa ho jai tu madina madina hogaaa.

Piyaray Bhai Arslan Aslamoalykum

Yaar yeh kis kaam main hum sab ulajh gayee hain, q hum ittehad ki aur ittefaq ki baat nahin kartay, why aap apnay dil say poochain kia qiamat walay din aik aisa muslmaan jo sirf firqa bandi par yaqeen rakhta ho wo kiya jannat main jany ka haqdaar hay.

Hazarat Muhammad Mustafa Sallalahu alie Wassallamm aik din Khana Kaaba kay samnay baithay thay keh Khana Kaaba ko dekh kar farmaya jis ka mafhoom hay "aye Khana Kaaba teri kitni izzat hay kitna tera ihtraam hay laikn Rab-e-Kaaba ki qasam aik Muslalman ki izzat aur ehtraam tujh say ziada hay.

So please proud to be a Muslim, not Sunni, Shia, DeoBandi, Wahabi etc etc.

Moreover, i can give you reference from any other sect's books which proves that "Achay Buray Log Har Jaga Mojoud Hauin". Arsalan bhai please every one can do it qk doosray ki kamzoori dhondna bohat assan hay. Hum log agar aik kaghaz par Kalma Tayyeba likha daikhtay hain aur wo kaghaz zameen par para hota haye, to hum us ko utha kar saaf kartay hain aur choom kar oonchi jaga rakh datay hain so please remember every Muslim (Apart from his sect) has Kalma in his heart so we all ahve to respect him.

please stop this discussion, and spread the message of Islam (Unity) & (love).


Regards

Shahbaz
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SALAM
DEAR SHEHBAZ AP NE EK HADIS KA MAFHOOM BATAYA AUR EK MUSALMAN KI IZZAT KI IMPORTANCE BATAI JO BILKUL SAI HAI IS SE KOI IKHTILAF NAHI HAI PAR AP YEH TU SOCHOO KE JO LOAG HAMARE PIYARE AQA SALLALAHO ALAHE WASALLAM KI SHAN MA GUSTAKHI KARTE AHIN QURAN PAK KI SHAN MA GUSTAKHI KARTE HAIN AUR PUBLIC KO GUMRAH KARTE HAIN TU KIYA HMARI RESPONSIBILITY NAHI BANTI KE HUM UN LOGO PAR NAZAR RAKHE AUR UN KO BATAYEN KE WO GALAT KAR RAHE HAIN AUR PUBLIC KO AWARNESS DE KE WO AISE LOGO SE DUUR RAHE.......
YEH TU AP NE JAAN CHURANE WALI BAAT KI HAI KE SUB THEK HAIN SUB KALMA PARHTE HAIN KISI KO CRITICIZE NAHI KARNA CHAHYE......DEKHO HUM MUSLIMS KO HI AAGE BARH KAR GUSTAKHON KA MAU KALA KARNA HAI AGAR HUM BHI KHAMOSH HO JAYEN GE TU AUR KON KARE GA???? HAQEEQAT KO SAMAJHNE KI KOSHIS KI JAYE SHEHBAZ BHAI....
JAHAN TAK TABLIGHI JAMAT KA TALUK HAI TU YEH EK LOGO KO GUMRAH KARNE WALI TEHREEK HAI AUR IS BAAT SE HAR KOI WAKIF HAI JIS NE THORA BOHUT BHI IN KI HISTORY KE BARE MA PARHA HAI.....TABLIGHI JAMAT KE HAKEEMUL UMMAT MAULANA ASHRAF ALI THANVI SAHAB NE WO WO GUSTAKHIYAN KI HAIN KE BAYAN KARTE HOE SHARAM ATI HAI AUR PHIR BHI YEH LOAG ASHRAF ALI THANVI KO HAKEEMUL UMMAT KEHTE HAIN JO GUSTAKHI KAR KE KAFIR HO KAR MAR GAYA AUR SHARIAT KA YEH HUKUM HAI KE JO KAFIR KE KUFR MA SHAK KARE TU SHAK KARNE WALA BHI KAFIR HO JATA HAI.........
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IS KE ILAWA TABLIGHI JAMAT KE EK AKABIR RASHEED AHMED GANGOHI SAHAB LIKHTE HAIN,
JO SHAKS ALLAH KE SIWA KISI GHAIR KE LIYE ILM GHAIB SABIT KARE WO KAFIR HAI (MAZALLAH) (FATAWA RASHEDIA JILD 2.PAGE NO.10)......JAB KE YEH BAAT EK AAM ADMI KO BHI PATA HAI KE NABI TU HOTA HI WO HAI JO LOGO KO GHAIB KA ILM BATAYE LOGO KO FUTURE KI KHABAR DE MEANS KABAR KI KAYAMAT KI KAYAMAT KI NISHANION KI..YEH SAB ILME GHAIB HI HAI....AB EK INTRESTING BAAT YEH AHI KE,
MUFTI TAQI USMANI JO KE DEOBANDION KE EK BARE AALIME DEEN MANE JATE HAIN UNHO NE 24TH MAY KO EK MESSAGE BHEJA PAKISTANION KO KE EK BURZAG KO MUHAMMED SALLALAHO ALAHE WASALLAM KI ZIARAT HOI KAHWAB MA AUR UNHO NE FARMAYA KE PAKISTAN PAR AZAAB ANE WALA HAI TU SUB LOAG SURAH SHAMS AUR DOSRE WAZAIF PARHEN.....AB SAWAL YEH HAI KE IS KHWAB SE TU HUZOOR SALLALAHO ALAHE WASALLAM KA ILME GHAIB SABIT HO RAHA HAI JESA KE AP NE FARMAYA KE PAKISTAN PAR AZAB ANE WALA AHI AUR LOG TILWAT KAREIN AUR MUFTI TAQI USMANI SAHAB IS BAAT KO KHOOB PHELA BHI RAHE HAIN JAB KE IN HI KE AKABIR RASHEED GANGOHI NE KAHA HAI KE JO ALLAH KE SIWA KISI AUR KE LIYE ILME GHAIB SABIT KARE WO MUSHRIK HAI AB BECHARE MUFTI TAQI USMANI TU APNE HI AKABIR KE FATWE KE MUTABIK MUSHRIK HO GAYE.....
TU LOGO YEH HAAL HAI TABLIGHI JAMAT KE MUFTION KA KE UNHE KHUD APNA HI PATA NAHI HOTA KE HAMARA AQEEDA KIYA HAI AUR HAMARE AKABIRON KA AQEEDA KIYA HAI BUS ANDHON KI TARAH LIKHTE HAIN AUR BOLTE HAIN AUR PHIR KHUD PHANS JATE HAIN TU AISI JAMAT KO FOLLOW KARNA BILKUL GALAT HAI AUR TABLIGHI JAMAT EK GUMRAH KARNE WALI THREEK HAI IS SE DUUR RAHA JAYE......
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Faheem Memon wrote:
IS KE ILAWA TABLIGHI JAMAT KE EK AKABIR RASHEED AHMED GANGOHI SAHAB LIKHTE HAIN,
JO SHAKS ALLAH KE SIWA KISI GHAIR KE LIYE ILM GHAIB SABIT KARE WO KAFIR HAI (MAZALLAH) (FATAWA RASHEDIA JILD 2.PAGE NO.10)......JAB KE YEH BAAT EK AAM ADMI KO BHI PATA HAI KE NABI TU HOTA HI WO HAI JO LOGO KO GHAIB KA ILM BATAYE LOGO KO FUTURE KI KHABAR DE MEANS KABAR KI KAYAMAT KI KAYAMAT KI NISHANION KI..YEH SAB ILME GHAIB HI HAI....AB EK INTRESTING BAAT YEH AHI KE,
MUFTI TAQI USMANI JO KE DEOBANDION KE EK BARE AALIME DEEN MANE JATE HAIN UNHO NE 24TH MAY KO EK MESSAGE BHEJA PAKISTANION KO KE EK BURZAG KO MUHAMMED SALLALAHO ALAHE WASALLAM KI ZIARAT HOI KAHWAB MA AUR UNHO NE FARMAYA KE PAKISTAN PAR AZAAB ANE WALA HAI TU SUB LOAG SURAH SHAMS AUR DOSRE WAZAIF PARHEN.....AB SAWAL YEH HAI KE IS KHWAB SE TU HUZOOR SALLALAHO ALAHE WASALLAM KA ILME GHAIB SABIT HO RAHA HAI JESA KE AP NE FARMAYA KE PAKISTAN PAR AZAB ANE WALA AHI AUR LOG TILWAT KAREIN AUR MUFTI TAQI USMANI SAHAB IS BAAT KO KHOOB PHELA BHI RAHE HAIN JAB KE IN HI KE AKABIR RASHEED GANGOHI NE KAHA HAI KE JO ALLAH KE SIWA KISI AUR KE LIYE ILME GHAIB SABIT KARE WO MUSHRIK HAI AB BECHARE MUFTI TAQI USMANI TU APNE HI AKABIR KE FATWE KE MUTABIK MUSHRIK HO GAYE.....
TU LOGO YEH HAAL HAI TABLIGHI JAMAT KE MUFTION KA KE UNHE KHUD APNA HI PATA NAHI HOTA KE HAMARA AQEEDA KIYA HAI AUR HAMARE AKABIRON KA AQEEDA KIYA HAI BUS ANDHON KI TARAH LIKHTE HAIN AUR BOLTE HAIN AUR PHIR KHUD PHANS JATE HAIN TU AISI JAMAT KO FOLLOW KARNA BILKUL GALAT HAI AUR TABLIGHI JAMAT EK GUMRAH KARNE WALI THREEK HAI IS SE DUUR RAHA JAYE......



Dear Fahim Aslamoalykum

Mujhe maaf keejeyega keh main apna moqaf aap par achi tarah wazah nahin ka saka, please forgive me.

as i said keh kitabon say reference main bhi aur har muslamaan day sakta hay, it is not impossible, but one think i must say that this is a only propaganda which is spread by our firqa pasand ulama, one think i must clear that i have no concern with any firqa, i am only a Muslim, and I Believe in Allah as a Maabood, believe in Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and all other prophets of Allah as a Messanger of Allah and shahba Karam RA, Qiamat, jannat, douzakh, malaika, taqdeer.

Jahan tak appka yeh kehna keh agar koi Allah ki ya Allah kay Rasool (PBUH) ki gustakhi karta hay to is kay baray main arz hay, keh hum sab apnay zaweeye say is muamlaa ko dekhtay hain, halankeh agar koi Allha ki ya Allah kay Rasool (PBUH) ki gustakhi karta hay ya kisi bhi pehloo say un ki tahqeer ya toheen ka izhar karta hay us ka to eeman bhi nahin bach sakta, to bhai thanday dil say sochieye kiya koi muslaman aisa ho sakta hay, jaisa mainay pehlay bhi arz kiya hay tanqeed bohat asaan hay aur yeh bhi Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) ka pak farman hay (mafhoom) keh khush gamani rakho apnay musalman bhai kay liyee,.

So please be optimistic qk yeh aik na khatam honay wali tanqeed hay dono atraaf say lakhon kitabin likhi ja chuki hain laikin masla ju ka tu hay.

Yeh firqa pasand molvi awam ko to laratay hain laikn aapas main miltay hain to aik doosary ko namaz ki jammat karwanay ki guzarish kartay hain, keh Hazrat aap jamat karwain, i am eye witness on the same. So please this is a request pleaseeeeeeee.


Please pardon me if my words hurt you.


Allah hum sab ko sacha Ashiq-e-Rasool aur Ashiq-e-Sahaba banaye. Ameen

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DEAR SHEHBAZ AP NE EK HADIS KA MAFHOOM BATAYA AUR EK MUSALMAN KI IZZAT KI IMPORTANCE BATAI JO BILKUL SAI HAI IS SE KOI IKHTILAF NAHI HAI PAR AP YEH TU SOCHOO KE JO LOAG HAMARE PIYARE AQA SALLALAHO ALAHE WASALLAM KI SHAN MA GUSTAKHI KARTE AHIN QURAN PAK KI SHAN MA GUSTAKHI KARTE HAIN AUR PUBLIC KO GUMRAH KARTE HAIN TU KIYA HMARI RESPONSIBILITY NAHI BANTI KE HUM UN LOGO PAR NAZAR RAKHE AUR UN KO BATAYEN KE WO GALAT KAR RAHE HAIN AUR PUBLIC KO AWARNESS DE KE WO AISE LOGO SE DUUR RAHE.......
YEH TU AP NE JAAN CHURANE WALI BAAT KI HAI KE SUB THEK HAIN SUB KALMA PARHTE HAIN KISI KO CRITICIZE NAHI KARNA CHAHYE......DEKHO HUM MUSLIMS KO HI AAGE BARH KAR GUSTAKHON KA MAU KALA KARNA HAI AGAR HUM BHI KHAMOSH HO JAYEN GE TU AUR KON KARE GA???? HAQEEQAT KO SAMAJHNE KI KOSHIS KI JAYE SHEHBAZ BHAI....
JAHAN TAK TABLIGHI JAMAT KA TALUK HAI TU YEH EK LOGO KO GUMRAH KARNE WALI TEHREEK HAI AUR IS BAAT SE HAR KOI WAKIF HAI JIS NE THORA BOHUT BHI IN KI HISTORY KE BARE MA PARHA HAI.....TABLIGHI JAMAT KE HAKEEMUL UMMAT MAULANA ASHRAF ALI THANVI SAHAB NE WO WO GUSTAKHIYAN KI HAIN KE BAYAN KARTE HOE SHARAM ATI HAI AUR PHIR BHI YEH LOAG ASHRAF ALI THANVI KO HAKEEMUL UMMAT KEHTE HAIN JO GUSTAKHI KAR KE KAFIR HO KAR MAR GAYA AUR SHARIAT KA YEH HUKUM HAI KE JO KAFIR KE KUFR MA SHAK KARE TU SHAK KARNE WALA BHI KAFIR HO JATA HAI.........








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A little while ago I have written this on another blog, I see a similarity here so am re writing here.

Once in a sweetmeat shop an old learned man who had vision beyond humans saw a devil spilling a few drops of sugar syrup on the wall. The learned man asked the devil what he was supposed to achieve through this act. The devil said “wait & look”. A Fly came to lick the syrup, a cat wandering nearby jumped on the fly, a dog happen to be with a customer saw the cat and jumped to grab it. The dog missed the cat and fell on freshly made sweets spoiling it all and resulting in a big fight between the shop and the dog owner.
Excellent thread bhai Hamid Awais


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app firqee mein nahi parna chahte tu bilkul na paree aur khud ko kese firqee ka naam dene ke bajai muslim he kahee ess mein koi problem nahi hai leken app etna tu kar sakte hai k sahi koi sahi kahe aur galat ko galat kahee
essa tu nahi ho sakta na k badmazhaab aur gumraah ko bhi sahi kaha jai kamazkam apne dil mein jo aqeeda hai wo tu sahi hona chahe aur jes ka aqeeda quran k khelaaf ho uss ko galat tu manna hogaa na jes ne kufur kya uss ko kafir tu manna hooga na... etna tu app ko aur mujhe karna he pareee gaaa . etna tu kar he saktee hai...
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app firqee mein nahi parna chahte tu bilkul na paree aur khud ko kese firqee ka naam dene ke bajai muslim he kahee ess mein koi problem nahi hai leken app etna tu kar sakte hai k sahi koi sahi kahe aur galat ko galat kahee
essa tu nahi ho sakta na k badmazhaab aur gumraah ko bhi sahi kaha jai kamazkam apne dil mein jo aqeeda hai wo tu sahi hona chahe aur jes ka aqeeda quran k khelaaf ho uss ko galat tu manna hogaa na jes ne kufur kya uss ko kafir tu manna hooga na... etna tu app ko aur mujhe karna he pareee gaaa . etna tu kar he saktee hai...


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Dear Muhammad Arsalan, QTV par Allama Muhammad Akmal say jab isi kisim ka aik sawal kiya gaya " keh agar hum agar ahlesunnah say taulauq rakhtay hain aur marnay kay baad pata chalta hay keh ahlesunnah ya koi or firqa ghalat hay to phir hum sab kiya karain gay qk aamaal ka darwaza to band ho chuka hoga" to unoho nay jawab diya keh ghabranay ki koi baat nahin qk ahlesunnah keh saaray schools of thoughts main aqaid aik jasaiy hain aur qk hum sab ki jar aik hay is liyee koi faraq nahin parta. Yeh aik Brelvi alam Din kay comments hain, aur mera yeh challenge hay keh ahlesunnah kay saray schools of thoughts say tauluq rakhnay wala koi shaksh agar apnay alame-e-din kay pas jaye for example agar aik wahabi agar kisi alam kay pass jata hay aur brelvi hazrat kay liyee Kufar ka fatwa mangta hay to puray pakistan say us ko yeh fatwa nahin milega, yehi situation har firqa main mojoud hay aap bhi agar wahabi kay khilaaf kufar ka fatwa lay aaeen to main aap keh baat par ghour zaroor karoonga.


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salam....
shehbaz bhai actually apko confusion yeh hai ke har firqa ka aalim apne hi firqe ki tareef karta ahi aur usi firqe ko sai kahe ga aur ap ka kehna yeh hai ke har kisi firqe par tankeed na ki jaye aur sub firqe sai hain ???? tu shehbaz bhai hadees ke mutabik ek firqa ko jannat ma jana hai jo bilkul sai raste par hoga tu ma ap se yeh pochta hon ke ap kis firqe ko samajthe hain ko wo jannat ma jaye ga?? pehle ap mujhe yeh clear kar de phir ap se aur discussion hogi aur achi baat hai discussion honi chahye par apni islah ke liye honi chahey...tu plz ap mere in questions ka jawab de de tu phir aage discuss karte hain.....
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appp kon se duniya mein rehte hai aur app wahabi ko sahi se jaan nahi paiii
app ko mere batoon per yaqeen na aii ess leuye app se guzarish hai k app tareekh ko study kejea wahabi ke
wahabe ke ibtedaa he jahalat se hue the start mein wo durood shareef k bhi kheelaf the phir apne firqe ko barqarar rakhne k leye durood parhne se mana nahi kya
ess tarha ke kahi bateen jes ke quran aur hadees mein mazboot dalaill hai aur wahabie ne mana kar deya aur app kehte hai k koi mufti kufur ka fatwa nahi deta
mere khayal se har muslim k pass etna elm tu hota hai jo quran aur hadees ke ahkamaat jaan kar inkar karta hai tu wo kafir ho chuka hai
kya quran aur hadees ke ahmeyaat app ke nazdeeq etne hai k app quran aur hadees se inkaar karnee waloo k leye apne dil mein unn k leye mohabbat peeda kareee.

pls barahee karam essa na kareee aur deen ko samjheeea
Inshallah jannate aur ahle haq firqa Maslake Ahlesunnat he hogaa
esse kahee baharee mosool hote hai aur duniya maslak ahlesunnat per maarnee waloo ke qabar ka haal dekh kar deoband aur wahabi bhi Ya Rasool Allah pukar utt thee hai... aur sunni ho jaate hai app sahi se dono ka study kejea aur wahabee k naame geeramee loog jen hoo ne ess firqe ko agee barhaya enn k books ko study kejea unn ke kufriyat aur gustakhe ko study kejea aur sochia k ajj Tableege jamat jen k peche chal rahe hai unn ka kya haal tha aur enn per chalne waloo ka kya hogaaaa.
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Muhammad Arsalan !!! wrote:
appp kon se duniya mein rehte hai aur app wahabi ko sahi se jaan nahi paiii
app ko mere batoon per yaqeen na aii ess leuye app se guzarish hai k app tareekh ko study kejea wahabi ke
wahabe ke ibtedaa he jahalat se hue the start mein wo durood shareef k bhi kheelaf the phir apne firqe ko barqarar rakhne k leye durood parhne se mana nahi kya
ess tarha ke kahi bateen jes ke quran aur hadees mein mazboot dalaill hai aur wahabie ne mana kar deya aur app kehte hai k koi mufti kufur ka fatwa nahi deta
mere khayal se har muslim k pass etna elm tu hota hai jo quran aur hadees ke ahkamaat jaan kar inkar karta hai tu wo kafir ho chuka hai
kya quran aur hadees ke ahmeyaat app ke nazdeeq etne hai k app quran aur hadees se inkaar karnee waloo k leye apne dil mein unn k leye mohabbat peeda kareee.

pls barahee karam essa na kareee aur deen ko samjheeea
Inshallah jannate aur ahle haq firqa Maslake Ahlesunnat he hogaa
esse kahee baharee mosool hote hai aur duniya maslak ahlesunnat per maarnee waloo ke qabar ka haal dekh kar deoband aur wahabi bhi Ya Rasool Allah pukar utt thee hai... aur sunni ho jaate hai app sahi se dono ka study kejea aur wahabee k naame geeramee loog jen hoo ne ess firqe ko agee barhaya enn k books ko study kejea unn ke kufriyat aur gustakhe ko study kejea aur sochia k ajj Tableege jamat jen k peche chal rahe hai unn ka kya haal tha aur enn per chalne waloo ka kya hogaaaa.


Aslamoalykum Dear Arsalan

Yaar umar guzri hay is dasht ki sayyahi main, is firbazi ka mujhe aap say ziyada tajarba hay, main har firqa ka member reh chuka hoon, may be you dont believe me but it is true i have been part of every sect of ahlesunnah like , brelvi, deobandi, ahlehadees etc, but at this time i have no concern with any. I am just a Muslim because Allah SWT named us Muslim and we all have to proud on it instead of our self made sects. Piyaray Bhai Arsalan i am 35 years old man working in Income Tax Department and i am not a kid who have no ability to judge any person. Alhamdulillah i have read Islamic History more than a ordinary muslim has read, laikin main nay firqa bazi par mabni books parna choore di hain. qk Meray Piyaray Nabi Muhmmad Mustafa (PBUH) ka koi maslik nahin tha na hi unhon nay musalik ki taleem di hay. please do your amaal on your own way but dont criticize any body beacuse as i said agar koi Nabi (PBUH) ki shaan main gustakhi karta hay wo to muslman hi nahi, uska kisi maslik ya firqa say koi taluq nahin.
Main any jo aap ko PM kiya hay us main jo main nay hawala diya hay wo aik brelvi alamdin ka hay to ab aap kiya kahain gay, agar aap sachay Ashiq Rasool hain to please koi hujjat na paish keejeyega bulkeh un par bhi usi tarah Kufar ka Fatwa lagayeega jis tarah aap nay doosray logon ki books kay hawalay say par lagaye hain.


Please please arsalan yeh rawish thhek nahin um nay logon ko kia muslaman banana hay hum to muslamano ko kafir bananay kay chakkar main hain. please leave this way.


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salam shahbaz bhai....
shahabz bhai yeh khushi ki baat hai ke ap ne history ko parha hai aur har maslak ki knowledge bhi rakhte hain aur ap ek educated person hain......
ap ne sai kaha ke SARKAR SALLALAHO ALAHE WASALLAM ne firqa wariyat ki taleem nahi di par ap ne history parhi hai tu ap ko yeh bhi pata hoga ke yeh firqa sahabae karam ke duur ma hi shoro ho gaye the aur even HAZRAT ALI RAZIALLAHU ANHU par bhi Kharjion ne kufar ke fatwe lagaye(MAZALLAH)....aur isi tarah har duur ma firqe bante gaye aur jo loag sai the un par bhi kufr ke fatwe lagaye gaye un par zulm bhi kiya gaya aisi bohut si examples hian jese ap IMAM-E-AZAM ABU HANIFA RAZIALLAHU ANHU ka duur dekh li jiye,IMAM AHMED BIN HAMBAL RAZIALLAHU ANHU ka duur dekh lijiye aur bhi bohut si examples hain aur yeh firqe har duur ma rahe hain lekin Haq kehne walon ne kabhi bhi gumrah firqon ka sath nahi diya hamesha un ko galat kaha aur apni jaan ki bhi parwa nahi kii aur islamic history bhari pari hai aise waqiat se......ab aj ke duur ma bhi wo hi ho raha hai ap kehte hain ke hum sab muslims hain kisi ko kuch nahi kehna chahye agar ap ne history ko thori tawajja se parha hota tu bilkul ap aisi baat na kehte b/c jab sahabae karam ke duur ma firqa peda hoe tu kiya sahabae karam ya auliya karam khamosh rahe ke nahi nahi hum musalman hain hame kisi ko kuch nahi kehna hai ???? aisa bilkul bhi nahi howa sahabae karam ya auliyae karam sab ne apne duur ma galat logo ko observe kiya aur phir logo ko taleem di ke yeh firqa galat hai un ko follow nahi karoo tu shahbaz bhai aj bhi hame observe karna hai aur gumrah firqon se bachna hai aur dosron ko bhi bachana hai warna qayamat ke din hum se sawal hona hai.....yeh hamare liye ek imtihan hai ke hum sai ko sai samjhe aur jo galat hai us ko galat kahe ap thora samjhne ki koshis kare tu bohut easily ap ko samajh ajaye ga......pehle ap is cheez ko samajh le phir ap se yeh discussion hogi ke aj ke duur ma firqa konsa sai hai aur konsa galat......
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salam shahbaz bhai....
shahabz bhai yeh khushi ki baat hai ke ap ne history ko parha hai aur har maslak ki knowledge bhi rakhte hain aur ap ek educated person hain......
ap ne sai kaha ke SARKAR SALLALAHO ALAHE WASALLAM ne firqa wariyat ki taleem nahi di par ap ne history parhi hai tu ap ko yeh bhi pata hoga ke yeh firqa sahabae karam ke duur ma hi shoro ho gaye the aur even HAZRAT ALI RAZIALLAHU ANHU par bhi Kharjion ne kufar ke fatwe lagaye(MAZALLAH)....aur isi tarah har duur ma firqe bante gaye aur jo loag sai the un par bhi kufr ke fatwe lagaye gaye un par zulm bhi kiya gaya aisi bohut si examples hian jese ap IMAM-E-AZAM ABU HANIFA RAZIALLAHU ANHU ka duur dekh li jiye,IMAM AHMED BIN HAMBAL RAZIALLAHU ANHU ka duur dekh lijiye aur bhi bohut si examples hain aur yeh firqe har duur ma rahe hain lekin Haq kehne walon ne kabhi bhi gumrah firqon ka sath nahi diya hamesha un ko galat kaha aur apni jaan ki bhi parwa nahi kii aur islamic history bhari pari hai aise waqiat se......ab aj ke duur ma bhi wo hi ho raha hai ap kehte hain ke hum sab muslims hain kisi ko kuch nahi kehna chahye agar ap ne history ko thori tawajja se parha hota tu bilkul ap aisi baat na kehte b/c jab sahabae karam ke duur ma firqa peda hoe tu kiya sahabae karam ya auliya karam khamosh rahe ke nahi nahi hum musalman hain hame kisi ko kuch nahi kehna hai ???? aisa bilkul bhi nahi howa sahabae karam ya auliyae karam sab ne apne duur ma galat logo ko observe kiya aur phir logo ko taleem di ke yeh firqa galat hai un ko follow nahi karoo tu shahbaz bhai aj bhi hame observe karna hai aur gumrah firqon se bachna hai aur dosron ko bhi bachana hai warna qayamat ke din hum se sawal hona hai.....yeh hamare liye ek imtihan hai ke hum sai ko sai samjhe aur jo galat hai us ko galat kahe ap thora samjhne ki koshis kare tu bohut easily ap ko samajh ajaye ga......pehle ap is cheez ko samajh le phir ap se yeh discussion hogi ke aj ke duur ma firqa konsa sai hai aur konsa galat......
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Thanks for your reply but i think you dont read my personal message of yesterday, please read it than say me what is this because i have quoted two examples for you for the sake of knowledge and not for any competition. Please read it and than comment and please dont consider it counter attack from me its just a example that "achay buray log har jaga mojoud hotay hain" agar kisi firqa ka koi molvi koi ghalat baat karta hay to us ka yeh matlab nahin keh us firqa kay har shaksh ka wohi aqeeda hay, i know many ahlehadees and deobandi peoples who loves Piyaray Aaqa Muhammad (PBUH) more than every thing. But i know it is very difficult for anyone to believe it but i have firm believe on it as this is my own experience. ab jo main nay aik brelvi Alam Din ki Ibarat quot ki hay to is ka matlab yeh nahin keh har brelvi ka yehi eemaan hay, please understand this point please.


Please read my personal message and than reply.


Take care

Love you bro.

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yes shahbaz bhai i did not read ur personal message yet....ok i read it then we shall discuss further....
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