Sweet bollywood, Sweet india

hi guys

really it sad to me see you fighting
i want to tell you one thing mabe you will get my idea

here in saudia arabia there is alot of people are not good(becase of thier bad behaiveor its not related to islam ) i hate these kind of people but in the same time there are alot of them are good people from that side

you know what i mean???????????????????????????????????????????? Rolling Eyes

you should stop that fight becase you are muslims and islam what connecting us

We Should Hate For Allah
And Love For Allah Nothing Else

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loje wrote:

hi guys

really it sad to me see you fighting
i want to tell you one thing mabe you will get my idea

here in saudia arabia there is alot of people are not good(becase of thier bad behaiveor its not related to islam ) i hate these kind of people but in the same time there are alot of them are good people from that side

you know what i mean???????????????????????????????????????????? Rolling Eyes

We Should Hate For Allah
And Love For Allah Nothing Else

trust me, I love for ALLAH and I hate for ALLAH. Otherwise, why would I make my life so horrible and miserable by completely isolating myself from those Pakistani who are allegedly supporters of india. Tell me why would I do that? its just the people of Kashmir, the muslims all around the world, Palestinians, Kashmiris, my heart cries for them, they are our brothers and sisters.

Also, abdel is not a muslim , these are all indians, who made fake ids on this forum but are not muslims, I have proof but wouldnt share it here infront of everyone.

	mystery-girl wrote:
	Mr abdel plz i don't want u to leave the forum or anyone else..but just want to learn to ignor...cus thts wut i do to...and srry to say Pakistanis r not the one who r offeneding Indai but some Indian r also offeneding Pakistan...my point wuts the use of all this garbabge....plzz guys forget wut happened live in peace and let other do the same...

cool:

Totally agree with you :thumbsup: Very Happy

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and devil wears prada

ugwaraich wrote:

	mystery-girl wrote:
	i am not tlking abt all tht i am just asking y so much haterd towards Indian?

well we Pakistanis are very open, we say what we have in our heart. you will never be able to see inside of an indian never, they are very nice on your face but as soon as they go apart, you will never imagine what they will think about you. srryy to say tht Pakistanis r also not all tht open...they also tlk bad abt u behind ur back...hey pertend to be ur best frnd and then as soon u turn ur back they say bad stuff abt u...they back bit and r always lookling for something in someone to back bite abt...
as I understand you are not taught proper Urdu, we have a proverb in Urdu, which is "baghal main churi, moon main raam raam", it means that indians are hiding a knife in their arm pits while on face they are saying oh God(ram), oh God(ram), being so humble. and wut do u say abt Pakistanis plzz don't say tht they don't do dis cus i know tons of Pakistanis who do tht...But anyways, there are loads of reasons why atleast I dont like indians,
Main reason is Kashmir, we have our muslim brothers being killed, our sisters being dishonoured, our kids being bombed, our old men being tortured, after seeing all this, there is absolutely not a single reason in this world which can convince me start liking indians.no one is asking u to like them i am just asking u to respect them as they r human being aswell...second i don't want to say anything abt kashimr cus i don't know abt tht a lot...but wut abt wuts happening in Pakistan...bomb blast fights between politicains and ppl locking ppl in buildings and bruning them...and Plzz don't say they r indains who r doing it...ppl r getting killid over there tooo... Also I have quite a few indian friends here, I have known their nature closely and wouldnt like to discuss it here. one of the reasons is you can see on this forum the posts they sent. The other reason is they are always looking to back stab Pakistan. It is only Pakistanis who live in Pakistan can understand the nature of hindus or indians. Then there are other reasons of saving our own culture which is under attack by that wester indo culture. The only thing that differentiates Pakistanis from indians is religion, otherwise there is no difference. ok i just get one single thing u keep saying our youth is getting influnce by bollywood hello can u tell me wuts their age...r they the ones who don't know wuts good for them...or they don't have the abilty to think...i think they do have all these they know wuts good for them they can think and decide for dem self wuts good for them and wuts wrong for them...nobody is forcing them to do so...they chose to abodt western cultur...its their own choice...its their and thier family fault not Bolloywood...stop blaming others for ur own fault...

I am sure that you will not agree to these points and will not even try to understand these. but you never know when ALLAH gives anyone hidayat

obv i won't cus u r telling me to hate innocent ppl...hate those who r responsible ofr all tht...not everyone is same...

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ugwaraich wrote:

loje wrote:

hi guys

really it sad to me see you fighting
i want to tell you one thing mabe you will get my idea

here in saudia arabia there is alot of people are not good(becase of thier bad behaiveor its not related to islam ) i hate these kind of people but in the same time there are alot of them are good people from that side

you know what i mean???????????????????????????????????????????? Rolling Eyes

We Should Hate For Allah
And Love For Allah Nothing Else

trust me, I love for ALLAH and I hate for ALLAH. Otherwise, why would I make my life so horrible and miserable by completely isolating myself from those Pakistani who are allegedly supporters of india. Tell me why would I do that? its just the people of Kashmir, the muslims all around the world, Palestinians, Kashmiris, my heart cries for them, they are our brothers and sisters.

Also, abdel is not a muslim , these are all indians, who made fake ids on this forum but are not muslims, I have proof but wouldnt share it here infront of everyone.

Loje i don't want to fight and also hate to see other do it...Allah never asked us to hate...our Prophet(PBUH) was also humble wid hindus who hurted him...he never tried on hurting them...he was always humble wid them..cus he said if u say bad things abt them they will do the same..So respect others so they respect u...

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	our Prophet(PBUH) was also humble wid hindus who hurted him

I dono wat to say to this. Its sad that even i know more..AAni perhaps u shudnt get engaged in Adult convo.
Wen do u think Prophet PBUH went t india. Also hurted is not a word.

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Alex9090 wrote:

	Quote:
	our Prophet(PBUH) was also humble wid hindus who hurted him

I dono wat to say to this. Its sad that even i know more..AAni perhaps u shudnt get engaged in Adult convo.
Wen do u think Prophet PBUH went t india. Also hurted is not a word.

that time there were no borders like india/pakistan/saudi's etc...there were saveral peoples with different faith....

probably she is trying to convince you guy's that prophet was very kind & humble with non-muslims.

Smile

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abdel wrote:

Alex9090 wrote:

	Quote:
	our Prophet(PBUH) was also humble wid hindus who hurted him

I dono wat to say to this. Its sad that even i know more..AAni perhaps u shudnt get engaged in Adult convo.
Wen do u think Prophet PBUH went t india. Also hurted is not a word.

that time there were no borders like india/pakistan/saudi's etc...there were saveral peoples with different faith....

probably she is trying to convince you guy's that prophet was very kind & humble with non-muslims.

Smile

There were always borders lol n u r an idiot . Go fix ur accent plz lol

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alex my point was tht being nice to ppl from other religions...which abdel got it...

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Alex9090 wrote:

	Quote:
	our Prophet(PBUH) was also humble wid hindus who hurted him

I dono wat to say to this. Its sad that even i know more..AAni perhaps u shudnt get engaged in Adult convo.
Wen do u think Prophet PBUH went t india. Also hurted is not a word.

she meant that there is monafeqs and jews in prophet mohamad 's time
and our prophet let them live in
madina and makkah with him

if he want he can kick
them out of madina
and makkah but he didnt do that you
know why becase they
becase he belived that
they have right to stay
and live in their houses
and he said "for muslims their religion and for jews their religion"
and all people have right to choose their religion
and Allah said in The Holy Quran "أَنَّهُ مَنْ قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الأرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا"

the quran
This confirms to us
that Islam is not a sword originally
that "word" came the revelation of read people.
When attacked islam ,
and threatened believers. , the quran was keen to clarify the meanings and maintenance

Important point missed by most writers Islamists that this
move was primarily
an evolution in attitudes requests
and new means to defend the principle of an old pivot on which revolve it is the belief
of freedom of religion, was enacted as the Koran fighting. That the jihad.
The fighting is not only a means requested by the defence of principle
when required, but imposed conditions used ..

and by the way this is advice for you: your way in talking just not islamic
please keep respect others to respect you as anni said thanks

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@loje,Mystery gal

you 2 are true pakistani who really understand the importance of peace and love

@ug bhai

i don't know what problem u have with indians.In todays world ,everything runs on business. it doesn't matter much to a pakistani about india ,but it does matter if he/she sees around riots/Political feuds/emergency /army martial law in pak

on the other side of border,indians practicing democracy and developing ..

you talked about kashmir?bcoz they are your muslim brothers?

@
1)why not chechan muslims?

2)why not Ughlyur muslims ???do u know in china,muslims are 3rd class citizens.they can be killed and toturted for no reason.india has some human rights and free media.in china all wstern media are banned and monitored

3)why not kurds muslims who are killed by muslims of turks?

4)why not muslims of darfurs who are killed by sudan govt

5)last the muslims who have died in your very own country ????plz show some sympathy for them first..

showing sympathy for indian kashiris wont serve the purpose,coz they are outside of your affairs....

"First clean your own pure house of muslims"

plz don't be biased !
if you really care about muslims ,talk about all this country......

have u seen the plight of muslim in china??

just bcoz china is pak ally,u miss them out

u only prove the reason for hating india is your old hatred towards india

and are u not human???

why only muslims killings trouble u???

blood of hindus/christians and jews are not blood??

Plz learn to be a good human being

and learn from other pakistani members of this site

Kudos to myth,loze///////////////////////////

first of all : iam not apakistani but i will be proud if iam one of them as well as iam proud that iam saudi
second : you are right in that about good human being and all members here are good human being becase in the first and in the last they are muslims and our religion makes us good human being and Urges to show sympathy for others even if they are not muslims
we get angry if some one talking about our religion in abad way or talking about our religion without knowing it very well and see the newborn people in islam and thier bad behaiver and said that is islam and we cant stay without talking in that setuation becase our religion is Precious for us like Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism are Precious to them

and finally
ISLAM IS RELIGION OF PEACE WHAT EVER THE NON MUSLIMS SAY'S

by the way are you a muslim ?? and where are you from ?? Rolling Eyes

	noor.yours wrote:
	if you really care about muslims ,talk about all this country......

they are but this thread about specific subject Wink

thanks

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First of all let me clear a few things here, because after a neutral person read my posts that person pointed me out a few things that I hadnt clear to people over here

1) I am not saying that anyone should be hated

2) When I say I condemn indians I donot say all indians, only those indians, who support the killings of Muslims or any other humans directly or indirectly, even if they have this sort of thinking or those indians who have any kind of bad designs towards Pakistan, now I might be able to predict some % of indians who are like this but one thing I am sure of is that the proportion of indians who have evil designs for Muslims are far much greater than the proportion of Pakistanis who have wronged thinking about india. Also I have a few friends from india, although I had bad experience with most of the indian friends who always behaved abnormally, but there were 1% of those friends who had no doubts over Kashmir issue and muslim's stance these days, and they were muslims. So generally hindus and brahamans in particular have problems and hatred towards muslim, and I am sure none of you two know what a brahaman is.

Secondly, I would strongly recommend everyone here to first study the issue of Kashmir and history between Pakistan and India, before you comment on anything you should have the knowledge of what is happening in the world and what has happened in Past.

When I say "Past", it is very important to know history of countries, some people here have the weird ideas that lets forget past and look forward to our good relations. I must tell those people that you learn from history, so the behaviour of certain culture or race can only be learnt by which way they have been acting in the past, so it is very important to keep in mind the mistakes that we have done in past while dealing with those nations and learn from them so that they donot make fool of yourself in future, and this helps you gain your national/personal interests.

ugwaraich wrote:

First of all let me clear a few things here, because after a neutral person read my posts that person pointed me out a few things that I hadnt clear to people over here

1) I am not saying that anyone should be hated

2) When I say I condemn indians I donot say all indians, only those indians, who support the killings of Muslims or any other humans directly or indirectly, even if they have this sort of thinking or those indians who have any kind of bad designs towards Pakistan, now I might be able to predict some % of indians who are like this but one thing I am sure of is that the proportion of indians who have evil designs for Muslims are far much greater than the proportion of Pakistanis who have wronged thinking about india. Also I have a few friends from india, although I had bad experience with most of the indian friends who always behaved abnormally, but there were 1% of those friends who had no doubts over Kashmir issue and muslim's stance these days, and they were muslims. So generally hindus and brahamans in particular have problems and hatred towards muslim, and I am sure none of you two know what a brahaman is.

Secondly, I would strongly recommend everyone here to first study the issue of Kashmir and history between Pakistan and India, before you comment on anything you should have the knowledge of what is happening in the world and what has happened in Past.

we are talking here about general rules that the muslim person should have and it is here in each member i know that but thee is deffrence in Expression of opinion thats it

i respect what you are Defended about its agreat Issues

and iam sorry if i Intervened in this but really i wish all the best for all of you guys
sorry again

When I say "Past", it is very important to know history of countries, some people here have the weird ideas that lets forget past and look forward to our good relations. I must tell those people that you learn from history, so the behaviour of certain culture or race can only be learnt by which way they have been acting in the past, so it is very important to keep in mind the mistakes that we have done in past while dealing with those nations and learn from them so that they donot make fool of yourself in future, and this helps you gain your national/personal interests.

you show us now the real ugwarich your views is great and your way's to show it is great YOU Defend the right not afraid in Allah from anybody as long as you saying the right things

keep it up my brother
becase
" WITH ALL MY RESPECT......YOU ARE THE BEST ...... FROM ALL THE REST " Wink

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We are too proud to be Muslims,we are too proud to be Pakistanis & we love our culture more than anything else.We are not having complexes like other people to unnecessary praise others.We are people having tollerance against other religions & nations.But it does not mean to underestimate ourselves we respect & accept every one on mutual basis.if anyone want to point out our shortcomings or want to remind us should first take care of their own Religion,country & culture.We never raise unnecesarry issues but those due to their narrowminded mentallity or others trying to be ultra modern & moderate when try to mentions unnecessary issues should not forget firstly who they are & what they are.Frienship is than flourishing when hearts & minds are clean & clear othewise it is hypocracy.No one should try to paint theirselves green.We know in reality & its spirit our religion,we are not only mentioning but also practising it eg.Relations with other nations & other religions.We are always nice to those they are nice to us,there is no one way buisiness"Eye for an eye & tooth for a tooth" is the bible saying & we believe in it.It is not necessary when some slap us on cheek we should allow him to slap on other.it is a very appologetic approach.Those they are trying to mention our problems should not forget their great democratic & secular state is doing with Kashmiris & other minorities.But we should leave it on side untill they realise everyone should mind their own buisiness.But one should forget friendship,peace 6 good relations works on reciprocal basis.We can than survive & exists when we meet others on our eye level.

India is not being dominated by hindus but by brahmin who r ,,even less than 1% in hindus as well,,,to keep their hold they wud never allow anyone to standup against them,,,may he b a hindu or any other religion,,,nd there r many examples to prove this fact

Why does this forum feign to run a forum that is not very popular- it forces and entices people to post messages just so they can access their 'watch tv online' page?

	ugwaraich wrote:
	Pakis! Convince me, why I shouldnt hate everything about india?

Because Nice ppl do not fester hate in thier hearts.

Ghussa haram hai bhai.

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"You are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE"... Jinnah, Aug 11th 1947.

Alex9090 wrote:

	Quote:
	our Prophet(PBUH) was also humble wid hindus who hurted him

I dono wat to say to this. Its sad that even i know more..AAni perhaps u shudnt get engaged in Adult convo.
Wen do u think Prophet PBUH went t india. Also hurted is not a word.

At the Holy Prophet PBUH's time, there were ppl in macca who used to worship idols. After the battle of macca was won, the Phophet PBUH himself broke the idols that were inside the mecca bldg with his stick. So if by hindus, if alex meant the idol worshiping ppl then the account is correct.

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"You are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE"... Jinnah, Aug 11th 1947.

	ugwaraich wrote:
	Pakis! Convince me, why I shouldnt hate everything about india?

OUR RELIGION NEVER TEACHES US TO HATE ANYONE..........NOT EVEN OUR ENEMIES..........SO DONT FORGET THERE ARE MANY MUSLIMS LIVING IN INDIA....AND WE CANT HATE THEM......

fairy552 wrote:

	ugwaraich wrote:
	Pakis! Convince me, why I shouldnt hate everything about india?

OUR RELIGION NEVER TEACHES US TO HATE ANYONE..........NOT EVEN OUR ENEMIES..........SO DONT FORGET THERE ARE MANY MUSLIMS LIVING IN INDIA....AND WE CANT HATE THEM......

true, I would suggest you to read all my posts carefully in this section and come back to me tell me the same thing.

hmmmmm

Thank god u guys do not have baseball bats in ure hands, otherwise this would've been a very bl00dy thread.

tempers are flying all over the place here.

I must admit that I do not understand the whole India-pakistan tension (I mean i do but only to a point) but I do know that hatred from either side is not an answer. Smile

Everything in this world is than successfull & durable when it is on reciprocal basis.We people are offended by other nations unnecessarily,if Ugwaraich,I or some one else showing their reaction over such events one should have understanding for that.We are not only Muslims we are also humanbeings when we talk about a country or a nation means not the innocent Masses rather those in the driving seat & responsible for killing Muslims & insulting our holy places.When you sow hate you cannot wait love.Anyone of you ever condemn the state terrorism of non Muslim countries against Muslims.USA have created thereselves Al-Qaida,Taliban etc to use them as a enemy picture to achieve their goals.non of us as a MUSLIM SUPPORT ANY KIND OF A VIOLENCE or Terrorism because we know & understand the true meaning & message of Islam even those against us knows it well.Anything in this world happend through the foreign merceneries,brain washed & manipulated individuals is showed into our shoes & label it as a Muslim radicals or fundamentalist ets.Did you people ever called Hitler a Chystian fundamentalist,did you call the killer of innocent Palastinians(Mostly children & youth) Jewish fundamentalist?Did you ever condemn the 700000 Army killing innocent Kashmiris & freedom fighters who have no way left to take guns in the hand because the recognise with words the right of their liberty but no one come to help them practically,which way is left for them if they don,t resist they will all be slaughter(Human genocide) by the Indian Army,did anyone call it a Hidus fundamentalists.Have you people any conscience left to call spade a spade.The terrorism taken place between Protestent & catholics in Ireland were never called a Chrystian radicals or fundamentalists,so are the Bass movement in Spain etc.Due to all this negative propaganda,hostile provocation from the foreigners & foreign media against Islam shows their hate for Islam.It is because of all these double standard of these countries & their Govts that Muslim are force to retaliate even if it is through the pen to counter their lies about Islam & Islamic countries.Untill & unless there are double standards & different yard sticks to measure & to know the root cause of states & individuals terrorism we cannot live in a safe heavens.We should leave aside our prejudices & hate against others religion than we can expect peace & love for each others.When there is pending problems,state terrorism & attrocities against mostly innocent Muslims it is impossible to have durable peace amongst us.When we send somewhere bombs cannot expect flowers in reply.In the recent there is no one example of Muslim countries attacking any non Muslim country whereas the USA without any reason have invaded Iraq & Afghanistan,& other countries like Israeel,India are commiting the brutal state terrorism & genocide supported by all the socalled democratic west.They have this unjustice double standards supporting those Monarchis & dictatorships whose resources they are embazling & eatin g up & whose rullers playing the role of meceneries & puppets for them.They destabalise the existing democratic governments who stand for their rights against them,but the slogan is to support democracy.Ask yourself wHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG: