Questions or confusions of non muslims about muslims in.....

mushytail wrote:

loje wrote:

mushytail wrote:

	imhameed78 wrote:
	ASSALAM-O-ALAIKUM THANKS FOR WRITTING ON SUCH AN IMPORTANT TOPIC. IN THE PRESNET TIME IT IS A VERY BURNNING ISSUE AND MUSLIMS NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS THING. AND THEY NEED TO TELL THE NON MUSLIMS ABOUT THIS ISSUE. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO REMOVE THE CONFUSIONS IN THE MINDS OF NON-MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD. SO BROTHER KEEP IT UP. GOD BLESS YOU. BEST REGARDS A HAMEED

You are still missing my point. There is really no confusion and no one is really not asking questions to 'learn' about Islam with possible thinking of converting. That is surely not the case.

The only reason the questions are asked about Islam is to mock it for entertainment. The other thing is that Muslims have not been able to come up with logical answers, so its free fun for those asking questions.
Priya

and how about you dear can you give us logical answers about your " religion " Wink

i think you cant Cool

but let me tell you somthing my friend please read it carfully

i had alot of qustions more than the above but i dont want to ask it cos i still unconvinsed about the above

and i will unconvinsed for ever cos you pray to animals and those animals doesnt has abrain how can you pray to them its illogical and you pray to scatchs you made it by your own is that convinsed to you
i geuss not

dear they are ( animals-sun-fire ,,,etc)
all are creatures and they have one who created it that means ALLAH

DONT YOU RELIESE THAT ELEFENTS AND MONKEYS AND DONKEYS ARE MADE BY ALLAH WHO MADE IT FOR US ?????? WHO YOU SHOULD PRAY TO ((((Creatures or Creator of the creatures)))

you said before that muslims in india are the lowest of the lowest class there

sorry for tell you that but

i think the ( hindu ) are the lowest of the lowest people that have brain in this world mabe they are not in the list even

look my friend i know that you have wrong ideas about islam i recommend you to read more books that made by real muslims to know about islam instead of talking without knowing the real islam is.
and really my friend i want the best for you belive me cos we all have the same level of brain if we use it in the right way to know what is the deffrent between logical and illogical .
and mabe you know that what you belive in is not true but you cant Recognized by

becase you think that your parents and grand parents doesnt be wrong ever .
you have the chance to change your belives and rescue your parents from all this and tell them about real religion
really i care about you even idont know you but what our religion tought us that we should care about other people and show them the good way before its too late

i did what i have to do.

if you belive what i said or not its your choice now and your own sorrow

i want you to be relax in your life and after that why you cant reilize the truth that your belives are just a Superstitions

just an advice to you :

you should read real books about islam and if you want me to name some books then

i will with my pleasure

beware about some books cos there is alots of False allegations

about islam and those claiming that they are muslims by doing some things wrong and claims that this is the real islam

i wish you all the best in your life and after Wink

Well, thank you. I see that you have very good questions and much desire to learn about Hindism and it will be very fortunate if you convert while seeking the light from darkness around you.

I will suggest you contact your local Hindu mandar and get detailed answers to your very thought provoking questions. It sounds like you are losing sleep over what seem to you are irrational stipulations of Hindism. Rest assured, there is a logical and rationale behind it and it all ties back to the fundamental teachings. Once you understand the fundamentals, teachings and philosophy, you will understand the answers to your questions.

Best of luck on your beautiful journey to Hindism ! Smile

You will be surprised to know, it is just not a religion but a complete and comprehensive way of life.

Om & Ram Ram,

Priya

i think you cant understand what iam saying but you know what its not from you its from the scatches you pray to Laughing

and its not strange that u dont have any brain the one who prayed to a COW from where he/ she will has any brain Laughing

ok continue to pray to the COW & Monkeys & Mouses Laughing

becase you deserve it

Laughing

iam (and thanks Allah ) in a good and great condition becase iam a muslim and i dont ask these qustions to convert from the greatest religion to some stupied belives Cool

and insha Allah i dont convert ever i dont want Allah to be angry with me to convert to hindusim oh nooooooooooooooooo Confused

at least iam in islam have brain to think Wink

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Sorry to see that you are still resisting the truth.

Maybe one day you will see the right path, I'm sure of it.

Priya

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	mushytail wrote:
	Sorry to see that you are still resisting the truth. Maybe one day you will see the right path, I'm sure of it. Priya

very arrogant of you, if you really think that your religion is the religion of God or true then you should prove it here. No one is going to even consider reading your ridiculous posts if you just say that without any reasons or proofs. People are not blind like you, people have reasoning power and logical thinking. So I invite you to prove that Hinduism is the true religion, will you prove it?

When did every1 in the country became the defender of the faith is beyond me. It was not like this when i left pakistan. I was born and raised in a pathan muslim family. sent to a christain school (simply 'se it was one of the best acedemic institutions available in the city ). My mother prayed (still does) 5 times a day mashallah. Dropped me off to hang out with my best friend (who was a christain btw) at his baptist church every sunday and dint think twice 'ut it. Never any1 at anytime felt threatened by any other religon or faith or any other ppl.
I dont know who sold this "become the defender of the faith" formula in pakistan in last few years, but he must be very rich by now and probably laughing his a.. off at us.

Seems like every1 knows everything and they feel the need to correct every1 else, 'se god forbid, they themselves cannot possibly be wrong.

Grow up ppl.

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"You are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE"... Jinnah, Aug 11th 1947.

	mushytail wrote:
	Sorry to see that you are still resisting the truth. Maybe one day you will see the right path, I'm sure of it. Priya

iam now alhamdule Allah Wink

oh Allah bless our master Mohamad and his family

and companions and give salutations for peace

were it to cost me my life i would none of my attributes

your way is my guidance and salvation oh my beloved Mohamad

o intercessor to muslims

you are the best of massengers amercy to the worlds

oh my beloved Mohamad

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que10 wrote:

When did every1 in the country became the defender of the faith is beyond me. It was not like this when i left pakistan. I was born and raised in a pathan muslim family. sent to a christain school (simply 'se it was one of the best acedemic institutions available in the city ). My mother prayed (still does) 5 times a day mashallah. Dropped me off to hang out with my best friend (who was a christain btw) at his baptist church every sunday and dint think twice 'ut it. Never any1 at anytime felt threatened by any other religon or faith or any other ppl.
I dont know who sold this "become the defender of the faith" formula in pakistan in last few years, but he must be very rich by now and probably laughing his a.. off at us.

Seems like every1 knows everything and they feel the need to correct every1 else, 'se god forbid, they themselves cannot possibly be wrong.

Grow up ppl.

mr. little, this idea of defending the faith was not sold but gifted by God to us muslims, your views can be possibly affected by the environment around you. But anyways, let me explain my view point. Because there will be no messenger after Muhammad SAW, it is the responsibility of muslims and his ummat to spread the true religion of Islam; if you read the Quran and ahadith properly you will discover that it is the responsibility of every muslim to spread the knowledge of Islam to non muslims, and if those non muslims dont know the knoweldge of Islam till doomsday then those people gona drag you with your collars and tell God that these were the muslims who didnt tell us about Islam, then how could we embrace Islam?; so it is the primary responsibility of every muslim to do so in ones own capacity.

We are defending the faiths here, we are not offending other faiths. Its fair to defend your faith and not offend others.I havent taken an offensive stance yet although I have all excuses to do so, but I wont because I strongly believe that its not gona help the cause of this forum and section. Rather this section was made to take the offenses of non muslims about Islam and reply them +vely.

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ugwaraich wrote:

que10 wrote:

When did every1 in the country became the defender of the faith is beyond me. It was not like this when i left pakistan. I was born and raised in a pathan muslim family. sent to a christain school (simply 'se it was one of the best acedemic institutions available in the city ). My mother prayed (still does) 5 times a day mashallah. Dropped me off to hang out with my best friend (who was a christain btw) at his baptist church every sunday and dint think twice 'ut it. Never any1 at anytime felt threatened by any other religon or faith or any other ppl.
I dont know who sold this "become the defender of the faith" formula in pakistan in last few years, but he must be very rich by now and probably laughing his a.. off at us.

Seems like every1 knows everything and they feel the need to correct every1 else, 'se god forbid, they themselves cannot possibly be wrong.

Grow up ppl.

mr. little, this idea of defending the faith was not sold but gifted by God to us muslims, your views can be possibly affected by the environment around you. But anyways, let me explain my view point. Because there will be no messenger after Muhammad SAW, it is the responsibility of muslims and his ummat to spread the true religion of Islam; if you read the Quran and ahadith properly you will discover that it is the responsibility of every muslim to spread the knowledge of Islam to non muslims, and if those non muslims dont know the knoweldge of Islam till doomsday then those people gona drag you with your collars and tell God that these were the muslims who didnt tell us about Islam, then how could we embrace Islam?; so it is the primary responsibility of every muslim to do so in ones own capacity.

We are defending the faiths here, we are not offending other faiths. Its fair to defend your faith and not offend others.I havent taken an offensive stance yet although I have all excuses to do so, but I wont because I strongly believe that its not gona help the cause of this forum and section. Rather this section was made to take the offenses of non muslims about Islam and reply them +vely.

Mr. sorry excuse for a human bieng. First of all, you have zero knowledgle of who I am, how i live or the way i was brought up. So for you to "think" you know wut kind of so called "flaws I had in my upbringing" is az absurd az ure logic stated in ure post. LOL.
Stop playing god with wut you think u know and stop giving fatwaas on ppl.
The only reason our mazhab is faced with all kinds troubles is because of "wanna be mullaz" like ureself who dont know jackk-shyte but think they are god-sent angles put on this earth to correct mankind.
I was saying one thing and you took it totaly elsewhere but its not ure fault, "some ppl are just raised that way" so i dont blame u. You just dont know any better.
Get a life and think 'ut wut u say to ppl be4 u put ure foot in ure mouth.

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"You are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE"... Jinnah, Aug 11th 1947.

que10 wrote:

When did every1 in the country became the defender of the faith is beyond me. It was not like this when i left pakistan. I was born and raised in a pathan muslim family. sent to a christain school (simply 'se it was one of the best acedemic institutions available in the city ). My mother prayed (still does) 5 times a day mashallah. Dropped me off to hang out with my best friend (who was a christain btw) at his baptist church every sunday and dint think twice 'ut it. Never any1 at anytime felt threatened by any other religon or faith or any other ppl.
I dont know who sold this "become the defender of the faith" formula in pakistan in last few years, but he must be very rich by now and probably laughing his a.. off at us.

Seems like every1 knows everything and they feel the need to correct every1 else, 'se god forbid, they themselves cannot possibly be wrong.

Grow up ppl.

Really .. i more than agree with u.
religion dsnt need any defenders..
it just need its followers to understand the true spirit of our religion

n wats worse.. if we cant learn TOLERANCE n bein considerate to others feelings
may b tht means our religion failed in its purpose....no actually i shud say we failed to actually learn wat its meant to b religious

hope we 'll grow up sm day....Amen

this is a good discussion by all,,,particularly uqwarriach nd arshbrar,,,but dont stick to make ur point understand 4 sake of it,,,well arshbrar it wud b much better tht u listen to Muslim scholars on prace tv and Q tv 4 better understanding and also read the Holy Quran with translation,,,i dont say tht it vil clear all ur doubts but it vil help u in better understanding,,,v the Muslims strongly believe tht only Allah can give guidance to whom he wishes,,,

urfi67 wrote:

this is a good discussion by all,,,particularly uqwarriach nd arshbrar,,,but dont stick to make ur point understand 4 sake of it,,,well arshbrar it wud b much better tht u listen to Muslim scholars on prace tv and Q tv 4 better understanding and also read the Holy Quran with translation,,,i dont say tht it vil clear all ur doubts but it vil help u in better understanding,,,v the Muslims strongly believe tht only Allah can give guidance to whom he wishes,,,

thanks and jazakALLAH brov.

uqwariach ur doing nice work nd keep it up,,,may ALLAH THE ALMIGHTY bless u and ur family,,,Ameen

I agree completely with Ugwaraich & Urfi.Like he said we have a right to defend our "Deen" without offending anyone but what is the otherway round every non Muslim are provoking us at any forums & at any time.Que10 we all Muslims are defender of our religion witout offending someone,if you think you became secular because interracting with other religion is wrong.We are the ones always attacked & maliced through negative propagandas of non Muslims.Like you I am also a Pashtoon send to the Chrystian schools & Colleges shows the greatness of my religion & my parrents that how tollerant & sure we are about ourselves,you will hardly see a Muslim provoking people of other religion & you would hardly see any non Muslim try to know about Islam & its real teaching in its true spirit.Islam has emphasised on getting knowledge & wisdom even for learning this from anyone even if we have to go China for that.Islam is relitively new religion if we consider it from the time of MOHAMMAD(Peace be upon him) but it is scientifically proved to be growing more faster than any other religion.Mushytail you are the one to bring this hatred amongst us.islam is not only the religion but a complete way of life therefore it is called "DEEN".How childish from you to expect from a Muslim to be convert to Hinduism(Hindism for you) be a realistic & rational.Islam has left behind Catholic Crystians,can you mention how many Muslims converted from Islam to Hinduism(It might be your wish or wishfull thinking)not even a worst(By deeds) Muslim will change is religion that also to the Irrational Hinduism.Don,t forget how you people have amended your religion eg.Satti system,not allow to marry again even Widdows,not allow to eat any kind of meat & other things etc.Due to the different castes discriminatery behaviour hundred thousands of "Shooders" have converted from Hindu lower caste to Chrystianity(All which you people call "Bhangi,s")before & after pakistan independence.Do realise before you provoke someone & do dig deeply into your religion before offending others.Don,t tell us to contact Hindu priest be brave & rational to discuss with facts & evidence.I can prove to you that conversion from Hinduism to Islam is lot more than a marginal the other way.You always qoute examples from Indian films,you will get your answers from your film stars how many of Hindus married to Muslim men which shows the mish mash of Hindu culture.Anything materially beneficial is allowed & worship as a Godesses.You have to accept the fact that Islam amongst all the contemprary religions inspite of all negative propaganda is the most growing religion of the world & specially in Europe.Inform yourself.

inayat khan qazi wrote:

I agree completely with Ugwaraich & Urfi.Like he said we have a right to defend our "Deen" without offending anyone but what is the otherway round every non Muslim are provoking us at any forums & at any time.Like que 10 I am also a Pashtoon send to the Crystian schools & Colleges shows the greatness of my religion & my parrents that how tollerant & sure about ourselves we are,you would hardly see any non Muslim try to know about Islam.Islam has emphasised on getting knowledge & wisdom even for learning this from anyone even if we have to go China for that.Islam is relitively new religion if we consider it from the time of MOHAMMAD(Peace be upon him) but it is scientifically proved to be growing more faster than any other religion.Mushytail you are the one to bring this hatred amongst us.islam is not only the religion but a complete way of life therefore it is called "DEEN".How childish from you to expect from a Muslim to be convert to Hinduism(Hindism for you) be a realistic & rational.Islam has left behind Catholic Crystians,can you mention how many Muslims converted from Islam to Hinduism(It might be your wish or wishfull thinking)not even a worst(By deeds) Muslim will change is religion that also to the Irrational Hinduism.Don,t forget how you people have amended your religion eg.Satti system,not allow to marry again even Widdows,not allow to eat any kind of meat & other things etc.Due to the different castes discriminatery behaviour hundred thousands of "Shooders" have converted from Hindu lower caste to Chrystianity(All which you people call "Bhangi,s")before & after pakistan independence.Do realise before you provoke someone & do dig deeply into your religion before offending others.Don,t tell us to contact Hindu priest be brave & rational to discuss with facts & evidence.I can prove to you that conversion from Hinduism to Islam is lot more than a marginal the other way.You always qoute examples from Indian films,you will get your answers from your film stars how many of Hindus married to Muslim men which shows the mish mash of Hindu culture.Anything materially beneficial is allowed & worship as a Godesses.You have to accept the fact that Islam amongst all the contemprary religions inspite of all negative propaganda is the most growing religion of the world & specially in Europe.Inform yourself.

Inayat Ji, I don't understand why you seem to be so upset and claim that I have brought any hatred.

You invited me to your religion, I invited you to mine, in return. Isn't that how the common courtesy works ? You invite someone to your home and they invite you to theirs.

About Muslims who marry Hindus. I can cite two great Muslim leaders who did - Akbar (Mughal King that led the biggest glory of Muslims) and Jinnah who founded a sacred refuge for Muslims.

Now back to my real point and I'm not sure why you keep on fighting with me on it. .. The point is that Muslims do not understand that those non-Muslims who are asking questions on Islam are merely trying to ridicule and mock Islam. They are not honestly trying to gain any knowledge or to convert.

You should trust me on what non-Muslims are doing to you Smile

Sorry I didn't realize that your IQ was so low that it was actually work so well for them, even when told the truth you insist on fighting the messenger Razz

oh well, I give up.

Priya

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Oright kiddies Move on. Priya has a point ...hardly anyone who's asking questions here regarding islam is trying to learn anything. Raise your hand if u trying to learn? ...ummm no one? thought so..
If i wanna learn something about islam there are ton of different ways and discussing islam here is not one of them. Engaging in endless rheteroic like this is plain silly. Provoking someone is moronic and getting provoked by someone is even dumber. No one is gaining anything from this.
As priya will agree ..all hindus are trying to do is wipe out Pakistan and all pakistanis are seems to be doing is watch indian movies and fk indian girls lol.
So instead of preaching here to no one..everyone should spend their time teaching themselves and people around you.

Look at AAni..poor girl hardly knows anything about her relegion and she was born muslim and supposedly raised by muslims...has muslims all around her family and yet chooses this forum to ask silly questions about islam and then learn nothing from answers. I bet i know more about islam than lots of kids like these.
My point ....preaching on net does not work specially if no one wants to learn. N so obvious no one here wants to. If someone trying to provoke me i ll say fk off and will move on. If i wanna learn something i ll find a way.
My suggestion is instead of trying to preach to non muslims ..try preaching to muslims. It s more beneficial ..trust me.

On a side note...im so close to going to pakistan..cant wait ..so excited..lol
hopefully i dont see many indians there ewwww.

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i think muslim dont want to listen they ordered you , and if you dont obey they kill you.
on peace tv they which is actually war TV or hate TV , Mr.Naik only spread Hate and spark the hate , he spread his mixture of words and if you expalin he edit and cut from the program.
very clever person he is mr.Naik look at the world where ever is Islam fighting ,Barbering,un human decision ,show me one country which is the example of islam where you can live happily.

Pakistan !

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toagill wrote:

i think muslim dont want to listen they ordered you , and if you dont obey they kill you.
on peace tv they which is actually war TV or hate TV , Mr.Naik only spread Hate and spark the hate , he spread his mixture of words and if you expalin he edit and cut from the program.
very clever person he is mr.Naik look at the world where ever is Islam fighting ,Barbering,un human decision ,show me one country which is the example of islam where you can live happily.

And you are a retard. Try to learn some english before you come here and butt in without any knowledge. Bitches like you..n im saying that with all due respect ...should stay away from any sort of discussion!

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toagill wrote:

i think muslim dont want to listen they ordered you , and if you dont obey they kill you.
on peace tv they which is actually war TV or hate TV , Mr.Naik only spread Hate and spark the hate , he spread his mixture of words and if you expalin he edit and cut from the program.
very clever person he is mr.Naik look at the world where ever is Islam fighting ,Barbering,un human decision ,show me one country which is the example of islam where you can live happily.

WTF does that mean?????. I did'nt understand a damnn word u said but it smells like ignorance.

Grab a webster dictionary, get some help on wut ure trying to say and try to write something that every1 undertands. I might reply to wut u said.

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"You are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE"... Jinnah, Aug 11th 1947.

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Alex9090 wrote:

Oright kiddies Move on. Priya has a point ...hardly anyone who's asking questions here regarding islam is trying to learn anything. Raise your hand if u trying to learn? ...ummm no one? thought so..
If i wanna learn something about islam there are ton of different ways and discussing islam here is not one of them. Engaging in endless rheteroic like this is plain silly. Provoking someone is moronic and getting provoked by someone is even dumber. No one is gaining anything from this.
As priya will agree ..all hindus are trying to do is wipe out Pakistan and all pakistanis are seems to be doing is watch indian movies and fk indian girls lol.
So instead of preaching here to no one..everyone should spend their time teaching themselves and people around you.

Look at AAni..poor girl hardly knows anything about her relegion and she was born muslim and supposedly raised by muslims...has muslims all around her family and yet chooses this forum to ask silly questions about islam and then learn nothing from answers. I bet i know more about islam than lots of kids like these.
My point ....preaching on net does not work specially if no one wants to learn. N so obvious no one here wants to. If someone trying to provoke me i ll say fk off and will move on. If i wanna learn something i ll find a way.
My suggestion is instead of trying to preach to non muslims ..try preaching to muslims. It s more beneficial ..trust me.

On a side note...im so close to going to pakistan..cant wait ..so excited..lol
hopefully i dont see many indians there ewwww.

agreed.

Challo, kisse nay tou aqal ki baat kahee. Razz

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"You are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE"... Jinnah, Aug 11th 1947.

mushytail wrote:

inayat khan qazi wrote:

I agree completely with Ugwaraich & Urfi.Like he said we have a right to defend our "Deen" without offending anyone but what is the otherway round every non Muslim are provoking us at any forums & at any time.Like que 10 I am also a Pashtoon send to the Crystian schools & Colleges shows the greatness of my religion & my parrents that how tollerant & sure about ourselves we are,you would hardly see any non Muslim try to know about Islam.Islam has emphasised on getting knowledge & wisdom even for learning this from anyone even if we have to go China for that.Islam is relitively new religion if we consider it from the time of MOHAMMAD(Peace be upon him) but it is scientifically proved to be growing more faster than any other religion.Mushytail you are the one to bring this hatred amongst us.islam is not only the religion but a complete way of life therefore it is called "DEEN".How childish from you to expect from a Muslim to be convert to Hinduism(Hindism for you) be a realistic & rational.Islam has left behind Catholic Crystians,can you mention how many Muslims converted from Islam to Hinduism(It might be your wish or wishfull thinking)not even a worst(By deeds) Muslim will change is religion that also to the Irrational Hinduism.Don,t forget how you people have amended your religion eg.Satti system,not allow to marry again even Widdows,not allow to eat any kind of meat & other things etc.Due to the different castes discriminatery behaviour hundred thousands of "Shooders" have converted from Hindu lower caste to Chrystianity(All which you people call "Bhangi,s")before & after pakistan independence.Do realise before you provoke someone & do dig deeply into your religion before offending others.Don,t tell us to contact Hindu priest be brave & rational to discuss with facts & evidence.I can prove to you that conversion from Hinduism to Islam is lot more than a marginal the other way.You always qoute examples from Indian films,you will get your answers from your film stars how many of Hindus married to Muslim men which shows the mish mash of Hindu culture.Anything materially beneficial is allowed & worship as a Godesses.You have to accept the fact that Islam amongst all the contemprary religions inspite of all negative propaganda is the most growing religion of the world & specially in Europe.Inform yourself.

Inayat Ji, I don't understand why you seem to be so upset and claim that I have brought any hatred.

You invited me to your religion, I invited you to mine, in return. Isn't that how the common courtesy works ? You invite someone to your home and they invite you to theirs.

About Muslims who marry Hindus. I can cite two great Muslim leaders who did - Akbar (Mughal King that led the biggest glory of Muslims) and Jinnah who founded a sacred refuge for Muslims.

Now back to my real point and I'm not sure why you keep on fighting with me on it. .. The point is that Muslims do not understand that those non-Muslims who are asking questions on Islam are merely trying to ridicule and mock Islam. They are not honestly trying to gain any knowledge or to convert.

You should trust me on what non-Muslims are doing to you Smile

Sorry I didn't realize that your IQ was so low that it was actually work so well for them, even when told the truth you insist on fighting the messenger Razz

oh well, I give up.

Priya

dont want to indulge myself into the rationality and irrationality of you guys debate,

just wanted to correct you mushy, that Jinnah didnt marry a hindu girl, she was a Parsi girl and Parsi is a differnet religion. Secondly, that Jinnah's wife converted and became muslim before marrying him.

ugwaraich wrote:

mushytail wrote:

inayat khan qazi wrote:

I agree completely with Ugwaraich & Urfi.Like he said we have a right to defend our "Deen" without offending anyone but what is the otherway round every non Muslim are provoking us at any forums & at any time.Like que 10 I am also a Pashtoon send to the Crystian schools & Colleges shows the greatness of my religion & my parrents that how tollerant & sure about ourselves we are,you would hardly see any non Muslim try to know about Islam.Islam has emphasised on getting knowledge & wisdom even for learning this from anyone even if we have to go China for that.Islam is relitively new religion if we consider it from the time of MOHAMMAD(Peace be upon him) but it is scientifically proved to be growing more faster than any other religion.Mushytail you are the one to bring this hatred amongst us.islam is not only the religion but a complete way of life therefore it is called "DEEN".How childish from you to expect from a Muslim to be convert to Hinduism(Hindism for you) be a realistic & rational.Islam has left behind Catholic Crystians,can you mention how many Muslims converted from Islam to Hinduism(It might be your wish or wishfull thinking)not even a worst(By deeds) Muslim will change is religion that also to the Irrational Hinduism.Don,t forget how you people have amended your religion eg.Satti system,not allow to marry again even Widdows,not allow to eat any kind of meat & other things etc.Due to the different castes discriminatery behaviour hundred thousands of "Shooders" have converted from Hindu lower caste to Chrystianity(All which you people call "Bhangi,s")before & after pakistan independence.Do realise before you provoke someone & do dig deeply into your religion before offending others.Don,t tell us to contact Hindu priest be brave & rational to discuss with facts & evidence.I can prove to you that conversion from Hinduism to Islam is lot more than a marginal the other way.You always qoute examples from Indian films,you will get your answers from your film stars how many of Hindus married to Muslim men which shows the mish mash of Hindu culture.Anything materially beneficial is allowed & worship as a Godesses.You have to accept the fact that Islam amongst all the contemprary religions inspite of all negative propaganda is the most growing religion of the world & specially in Europe.Inform yourself.

Inayat Ji, I don't understand why you seem to be so upset and claim that I have brought any hatred.

You invited me to your religion, I invited you to mine, in return. Isn't that how the common courtesy works ? You invite someone to your home and they invite you to theirs.

About Muslims who marry Hindus. I can cite two great Muslim leaders who did - Akbar (Mughal King that led the biggest glory of Muslims) and Jinnah who founded a sacred refuge for Muslims.

Now back to my real point and I'm not sure why you keep on fighting with me on it. .. The point is that Muslims do not understand that those non-Muslims who are asking questions on Islam are merely trying to ridicule and mock Islam. They are not honestly trying to gain any knowledge or to convert.

You should trust me on what non-Muslims are doing to you Smile

Sorry I didn't realize that your IQ was so low that it was actually work so well for them, even when told the truth you insist on fighting the messenger Razz

oh well, I give up.

Priya

dont want to indulge myself into the rationality and irrationality of you guys debate,

just wanted to correct you mushy, that Jinnah didnt marry a hindu girl, she was a Parsi girl and Parsi is a differnet religion. Secondly, that Jinnah's wife converted and became muslim before marrying him.

I agree usman that jinnah married a parsi girl and not a hindu, but i dont think dina wadia ever converted. She was, and remains a parsi.

Btw, Parsi's have a list of long list of good deeds that they have done for the betterment of pakistan.
My all time fav. Pakistani after Jinnah and Liaqat Ali is Ardeshir Cowasjee who happens to be a parsi.

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"You are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE"... Jinnah, Aug 11th 1947.

abt Quaid-eAzam,,,first read history,,,he married after conerting the lady to Islam and more over everyone shud try to keep his/her argument short to maintain the interest,,,and remain cool,,,be assured tht this negative propaganda is infact a cause of rapid growth of Islam these days,,,PASBAN MIL GAE KAABA KO SANAM KHANAY SAY

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que10 wrote:

ugwaraich wrote:

mushytail wrote:

inayat khan qazi wrote:

I agree completely with Ugwaraich & Urfi.Like he said we have a right to defend our "Deen" without offending anyone but what is the otherway round every non Muslim are provoking us at any forums & at any time.Like que 10 I am also a Pashtoon send to the Crystian schools & Colleges shows the greatness of my religion & my parrents that how tollerant & sure about ourselves we are,you would hardly see any non Muslim try to know about Islam.Islam has emphasised on getting knowledge & wisdom even for learning this from anyone even if we have to go China for that.Islam is relitively new religion if we consider it from the time of MOHAMMAD(Peace be upon him) but it is scientifically proved to be growing more faster than any other religion.Mushytail you are the one to bring this hatred amongst us.islam is not only the religion but a complete way of life therefore it is called "DEEN".How childish from you to expect from a Muslim to be convert to Hinduism(Hindism for you) be a realistic & rational.Islam has left behind Catholic Crystians,can you mention how many Muslims converted from Islam to Hinduism(It might be your wish or wishfull thinking)not even a worst(By deeds) Muslim will change is religion that also to the Irrational Hinduism.Don,t forget how you people have amended your religion eg.Satti system,not allow to marry again even Widdows,not allow to eat any kind of meat & other things etc.Due to the different castes discriminatery behaviour hundred thousands of "Shooders" have converted from Hindu lower caste to Chrystianity(All which you people call "Bhangi,s")before & after pakistan independence.Do realise before you provoke someone & do dig deeply into your religion before offending others.Don,t tell us to contact Hindu priest be brave & rational to discuss with facts & evidence.I can prove to you that conversion from Hinduism to Islam is lot more than a marginal the other way.You always qoute examples from Indian films,you will get your answers from your film stars how many of Hindus married to Muslim men which shows the mish mash of Hindu culture.Anything materially beneficial is allowed & worship as a Godesses.You have to accept the fact that Islam amongst all the contemprary religions inspite of all negative propaganda is the most growing religion of the world & specially in Europe.Inform yourself.

Inayat Ji, I don't understand why you seem to be so upset and claim that I have brought any hatred.

You invited me to your religion, I invited you to mine, in return. Isn't that how the common courtesy works ? You invite someone to your home and they invite you to theirs.

About Muslims who marry Hindus. I can cite two great Muslim leaders who did - Akbar (Mughal King that led the biggest glory of Muslims) and Jinnah who founded a sacred refuge for Muslims.

Now back to my real point and I'm not sure why you keep on fighting with me on it. .. The point is that Muslims do not understand that those non-Muslims who are asking questions on Islam are merely trying to ridicule and mock Islam. They are not honestly trying to gain any knowledge or to convert.

You should trust me on what non-Muslims are doing to you Smile

Sorry I didn't realize that your IQ was so low that it was actually work so well for them, even when told the truth you insist on fighting the messenger Razz

oh well, I give up.

Priya

dont want to indulge myself into the rationality and irrationality of you guys debate,

just wanted to correct you mushy, that Jinnah didnt marry a hindu girl, she was a Parsi girl and Parsi is a differnet religion. Secondly, that Jinnah's wife converted and became muslim before marrying him.

I agree usman that jinnah married a parsi girl and not a hindu, but i dont think dina wadia ever converted. She was, and remains a parsi.

Btw, Parsi's have a list of long list of good deeds that they have done for the betterment of pakistan.
My all time fav. Pakistani after Jinnah and Liaqat Ali is Ardeshir Cowasjee who happens to be a parsi.

with all due respect, I am not commenting on Parsi's or Muslim's contribution towards Pakistan but,

Dina is Jinnah's daughter and NOT wife. Jinnah's wife and Dina's mother was named as Rattanbai Petit ("Ruttie") and she was a parsi, then she actually reverted to Islam putting up fight and boycotted against her own parents who were strict parsi's and were Jinnah's friends.

So if you read some history book you'll know that Ruttie reverted to Islam, before marrying Jinnah as this was one of his(Jinnah's) demands before getting married.
I agree that Dina was a christian but not parsi as she wanted to marry Neville Wadia who was a parsi born chritian lad and Jinnah didnt give his daughter the permission to marry a non muslim man, on this basis Dina turned rebellion against her father and seperated from him and married Neville Wadia and became Dina Wadia from Dina Jinnah.

I am quoting Jinnah's assistant here about the dialogue between Jinnah and his daughter after she revealed her desire to marry Neville Wadia:

Mahommedali Currim Chagla, was Jinnah's assistant at the time, recalls: "Jinnah, in his usual imperious manner, told her that there were millions of Muslim boys in India, and she could have anyone she chose. Reminding her father that his wife (Dina's mother Rattanbai), had also been a non-Muslim, the young lady replied: 'Father, there were millions of Muslim girls in India. Why did you not marry one of them?' And he replied that, 'she became a Muslim'".

I realise the way we are discussing & getting personal is wrong.But you should also be carefull to not ask in obnoxious way about Islam.It is true I get really upset to read anything wrong about Islam.Whe should try to avoid discussing religions in the way that one or the other gets offended.If it asking a question for information,education or for the clearification sake one can come up with questions in a decent manner.I don,t claim to be scholar but there is always a rational answer for everything in Islam which only scholars can answer.In religion to prove everything with logic in my eyes is not possible because the faith & believe is something to feel,mostly it is one conviction sometime blind.We should leave it to him.Lets come to clear two of your examples Akbar was a king but not a practical Muslim even upto this extent that he had created his own version (sect) of Islam known as "Deen e Elahi" rejected & criticised by the real Muslims scholars Mujadid Alif Saani & declared him "Kafir".So we cannot expect from him anything correct.Regarding Jinah wife it is confirmed that she was Parsi converted Muslim (Confirmed or not I can,t say) but I suppose otherwise Jinnah would not have dissowned his own Daughter marrying non Muslim.Please we are grown up ,mature & tollerant we should prove this in future.There should not be any personal attacks,religious attacks or provoking on matters like "Lal Masjid"etc otherwise it will lead towards bitterness.No long sermons,no hurt feelings.It is open now everyone has to respect it. Smile

We should follow Oskar Wild saying:"I don,t know how the people have time to hate,while the life is too short to love".We should remain humanbeings.