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Jabral Tariq
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Joined: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 110
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| Pakistanis must unite: end secteriaism, provincialism etc |
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Pakistan is going through a very tough and fragile time in its history and surrounded by enemies in a circle. Our enemies across our borders and those living inside our land are plotting to break up our beloved country. But, we must not allow them to succeed and we must defeat our enemies with a (I am bloody) nose.
Shias and Sunnis must unite under the banner of ONE Islam and the Sunnah when there was no sect and it was considered a 'shirk' to divide Islam. Shias must end their prejudices and start naming their sons: Abu Bakr, Umar and Usman and their daughters Ayesha to break the ice. Our ulemas should get together and lead their follower onto the true guide lines of the Quran and Hadiz, and should have the dare and courage to negate frivolities in the sects.
Pakistanis must end provincialism and lingualism and consider themselves only Pakistanis and Muslims and nothing else. We must show and prove to our enemies that we are a united people and not and will face our enemies as one people and defeat them. Ameen.
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| Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:18 am |
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hiinnaa
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One suggestion to unite the country is we should do something that can help to restore Pakistans name. Like we used to have good name when we won world cup. and the whole country was united in just little game. Same like that Govt should promote healthy compititions in Pakistan. Should do something for youngsters, make them participate in world wide competitions, that way they can know how humiliated they will feel if they have bad name. Govt should pay special attention to Northern areas.
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| Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:48 pm |
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I K QAZI
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Fully agree with your views Hinaaa.We have to present,project & promote our beloved country in the best positiuve manners.We should have the feelings/sense of belonging to this soil no matter where we are.We have to alsao elect those representatives who are inside out Pakistanis not these corrupt & crooks.
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| Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:51 pm |
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saladin a
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Shiasm is not a religion but a sect; it is not theology but an ideology. The difference between the two sects, Sunnis and Shi'as, is based on a political question, whether the succession to the Prophet should take place by election or by inheritance among the close relatives of the Prophet Mohammed. This became a question of dogma to the Shi'ites and the schism split into many branches of its own and many civil wars.
Schism has harmed Islamic civilizaton more that the Christians and Jews and contributed to Muslim's dominace in the world. It didvided Muslism and untied its enemies. We do not have have to back long in history but have to look at the Iarq war when the Iraqi Shia conspirators helped President G W Bush and the Europeans to illegally invade and occupy Iraq. This is the fact of history and both the Shia and Sunnis can learn a lesson from this division, and unite for the sake of Islam without any sect.
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urfi67
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Shiasm is not a religion but a sect; it is not theology but an ideology. The difference between the two sects, Sunnis and Shi'as, is based on a political question, whether the succession to the Prophet should take place by election or by inheritance among the close relatives of the Prophet Mohammed. This became a question of dogma to the Shi'ites and the schism split into many branches of its own and many civil wars.
Schism has harmed Islamic civilizaton more that the Christians and Jews and contributed to Muslim's dominace in the world. It didvided Muslism and untied its enemies. We do not have have to back long in history but have to look at the Iarq war when the Iraqi Shia conspirators helped President G W Bush and the Europeans to illegally invade and occupy Iraq. This is the fact of history and both the Shia and Sunnis can learn a lesson from this division, and unite for the sake of Islam without any sect. |
very nice thought
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| Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:18 pm |
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alsadeeqalameen
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Anything that divides Islam is a 'shirk'. We Muslims must end divisions within ourselves and unite to defeat kafirs who want to harm Islam. Zionist Jews and Christians are using Shiasm to create dissension amongst the Muslims and Iraq is the most recent example.
People's Party members must stop claiming that it is 99% Shia party because Bhutto’s' and Zardaris are Shias. Islam forbids rituals and hero worship and it should be shunned by every Muslims. There is no one but Allah Who is worthy of our worship, praise and admiration.
There is no Shiasm and Sunnism in Islam and anything that was propagated other than the teachings of the Quran, and Hadiz and Sunnah after the passing away (wisal) of Prophet Mohammed (SAW) is 'haram'. We are nothing but Muslims and those who divide us even amongst are kafirs.
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| Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:10 pm |
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xyz_2
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Shiasm is not a religion but a sect; it is not theology but an ideology. The difference between the two sects, Sunnis and Shi'as, is based on a political question, whether the succession to the Prophet should take place by election or by inheritance among the close relatives of the Prophet Mohammed. This became a question of dogma to the Shi'ites and the schism split into many branches of its own and many civil wars.
Schism has harmed Islamic civilizaton more that the Christians and Jews and contributed to Muslim's dominace in the world. It didvided Muslism and untied its enemies. We do not have have to back long in history but have to look at the Iarq war when the Iraqi Shia conspirators helped President G W Bush and the Europeans to illegally invade and occupy Iraq. This is the fact of history and both the Shia and Sunnis can learn a lesson from this division, and unite for the sake of Islam without any sect. |
You say Shiaism has harmed Islam and I am sure the Shias have the same allegations against the Sunnis!! Why on earth must the Shias have an obligation to name their kids after Hazrate Omar, Osman, Abubaker? If they don’t want it then they don’t want it, what is our problem? This root of Shia and Sunni division goes back to history, why on earth we don’t learn a lesson, instead of using those moments of history not to repeat our mistakes, we are busy carry on with the same thing by blaming each other, killing each other and calling for the opposite side to accept our beliefs and abandon their own!!
You mentioned the Iraq war and situation there, I am sure the Sunni Kurds and Shia Arabs were quite happy to see Sadam being removed from Power, I am not surprised if they felt that way. Where were we when the Shias were massacred by Sunni Sadam? Where we were when the Kurds were massacred, badly hit with chemical weapons by Sadam and ethnic cleansing were systematically carried out against the Kurds. Go to northern Iraq and you’ll see the division between the native Kurds and those Arabs who took Kurds’ houses and properties!! They hate each other more than they hate Yahood and Nasara. If it wasn’t for Sadam then the US would have no or less pretext to occupy Iraq and have presence all over the Persian Gulf.
Let’s forget about the blame game and learn how to co-exist!! Let’s respect each others’ beliefs no matter what it is and don’t expect the other side to change his/her belief to what we believe. Instead of promoting negative energy we need to promote positivism. Unity does not come by dictating each other but it comes with respecting each other.
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| Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:17 pm |
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aimenqazi
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| Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:39 pm |
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adnankhan15
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hmmm
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| Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:48 pm |
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tosif
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Yes we will
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| Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:02 pm |
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Jabral Tariq
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Why giving Muslim names, Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman and daughters, Ayseha, is such a painful thing for some Shias?
[Moderator : Sadam Husain is dead now stop talking about him in a bad way , start with yourself if you really want others to be real muslims , real muslim will ask forgivness for dead people ]
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| Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:49 pm |
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xyz_2
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Why giving Muslim names, Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman and daughters, Ayseha, is such a painful thing for some Shias?
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I dont know and I cant give you the answer. All I know is what is your problem and what is my problem if they dont put those names on their kids, if they dont want then they dont want. Let them live their life and we live our lives.
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| Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:39 pm |
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donkanaka
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| Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:52 am |
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penisallin
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sav pakistani eak ho re la rai.
Insha Allah we'll come out of thas.
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| Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:49 pm |
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saqibmkhan
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Every Pakistani irrespective of his/her sect, province, language, colour and political affiliation must come together at this time and for all the times and save our beloved Pakistan from impending disaster. We are one Ummah; we are Muslims; we are one people; we are one nation; we are Pakistanis and that is what matters at this juncture of our history.
And, if fail now; we are doomed because our enemies and the kafirs have surrounded us inside and outside our borders with their evil, malicious and pugnacious intents and wish to see the end of a nuclear Muslim state.
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| Fri May 01, 2009 12:38 pm |
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zohan
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pakistan can never fight against provincialism, this is the fact nobody wants to agree with..
we grow up us punjabi, sindhi, balochi and pathans..if this is not the case, we grow up as tribes..further we are divided into castes and sub-castes..
we are so proud of this bullshit...even the killing on such matters become halal
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| Fri May 01, 2009 4:01 pm |
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saladin a
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We must unite and forget about being Sunnis, Shias, Talibans, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Sindhis, MQM Muhajirs, Punjabis, Balochs, Pushtoons, Pathans, and remember that we are Pakistanis.
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| Sat May 02, 2009 4:03 pm |
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I K QAZI
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We must unite and forget about being Sunnis, Shias, Talibans, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Sindhis, MQM Muhajirs, Punjabis, Balochs, Pushtoons, Pathans, and remember that we are Pakistanis. |
Yes without any delay.
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| Sat May 02, 2009 4:29 pm |
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I K QAZI
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Just for general information KURDS in Iraq are All SUNNI,s so we can say that not only Shia,s were masacred but also lot of Sunni,s.Humanbeing is Humanbeing & we call our self the creature of One ALLAH, followers of one religion & One Prophet Nabi Kareem MUHAMMAD (SAW) than there should not be any hate,discrimination or blame game.
"MUNFEHAT AIK HE ISS QAOM KA NUQSAAN BI AIK
AIK HI SAB KA NABI,DEEN BHI, IMAAN BHI AIK
KUCH BARRI BAAT THI HOTE JO MUSALMAAN BHI AIK"
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| Sat May 02, 2009 4:36 pm |
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murtaza9
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We must unite and forget about being Sunnis, Shias, Talibans, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Sindhis, MQM Muhajirs, Punjabis, Balochs, Pushtoons, Pathans, and remember that we are Pakistanis. |
I absolutely agree with you this is how it shud be
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| Sat May 02, 2009 7:56 pm |
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Jabral Tariq
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Throw away your prejudices, hatred and differences if you want live as a Pakistani nation and kick out these corrupt, unpatriotic and greedy rulers and politicians.
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| Sun May 03, 2009 9:37 am |
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php_web
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http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/research/detail/weeding-out-the-heretics-sectarianism-in-pakistan |
You must be joking by askin people to read same crap wittren by pinhead Husain Haqqani living and enjoying his life USA on expens of Poor Nation.
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| Sun May 03, 2009 3:49 pm |
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amirkhanzada1
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pakistan can grow betterly and greatfully with prosperity untill or unless our bad leadership are in pakistan which are corrupt like every buddy knows about that so we have to choose a good leader like Imran khan .Every one is scaring about him thats why they imposed ban on him to enter in a province of sindh.Which is a shameful act which has been taken by the pakistani government.
I hope for imran khan whic will take pakistan in to a new heights.
Inshallah Ameen
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| Sun May 03, 2009 5:11 pm |
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I K QAZI
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I agree with you AmirKhanzada & support your views.Attn Ph-web What you are saying is right & I also find Haqani biased,apologetic & flaterrer.I hate also all these ready for sale souls & socalled poliitions of Pakistan.But It my faith as a Muslim not be dissapointed completelly.We have to full fill our duties as a member of this nation to stop the way of such corrupt people & also to educate our nation by pinpointing their mistakes .But you at time sound to me going out of control in your rage.Trust in ALLAH think positivelly to play your individual role in your individual capacity to serve your nation.If they cannot or will not deliver than atleast we should be there to deliver.
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| Sun May 03, 2009 7:06 pm |
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ahsanhamid846
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this is important for pakistan
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| Sun May 03, 2009 11:14 pm |
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