Pakistan wants to live in peace with India: Bilawal

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	DO NOT FORGET DURING KHALISTAN FREEDOM WHAT HAPPENED, MORE THAN 10.000 SIKHS WERE KILLED BY "INDIRA GHANDI" ORDER. BUT WHOLE THE WORLD KNOW THAT WHAT HAPPENED TO HERSELF AFTER THAT. SHE WERE KILLED BY SO MANY BULLETS IN HER BODY BY HER SIKH GUARD!!

u dont even have a good answer to my question......Khalistan movement was sponsored openly by pakistan which bhutto admitted it many times........sikhs(terrorists sikhs) of pakistan were heavily paid and intruded to punjab..They provoked punjabi illiterate peasants and promoted terror in punjab...Go to punjab and ask a punjabi..He will describe u the ful story of pakistan based terrorism...i want to laugh at u...WHile pakistan only aim has been to spread of trrorism in the world...And i am very sad about u that u couldnt know all this coz u lived under shadow of PTV ...On the contrary u started imagining wrong things about india after seeing some of MI6 and CIA agent movies...While ur govt representative and full world knows that "India is a peaceful country and has never been involved in any proxy wars with pakistan"....Ok...u want me to say that u r right and full world is wrong...pakistan never produced or sponsored terrorists in any other country..................lol.........................................

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	O NOT ALSO FORGET ABOUT NIRINDAR MODHI A KILLER CM. MORE THAN 3000 INNOCENT MUSLIMS WERE KILLED BY HINDUS JUST BECAUSE OF CM`S ORDER. NOW HE IS GAIN ELECTED AS CM. HOW WILL HE BEHAVE AGAINST MUSLIMS

Modi didnt go and kill muslims..U can say some hindu burglars and criminals or fanatics did it..They had the backing of modi...But we live in democratic and lawful society...we need prove to fire anyone..There are many cases against hindus who killed and 100+ are being tried in court...i have written it in many posts and u havent read my previous posts b4 posting with modi issue....ANd now about modi winning elections...Election in india is not rigged...we have the fairest election body in the world.....People voted modi coz he developed gugrat so much in 5 years that no other CM had done it in last 40 years......if u just forget riots,he had invested 10000 crore rs for unemployment and 20000 crore RS on agriculture....GUjrat is the most developed state in india...its per capita is 6000$....farmers and peasants were happy with him ..so they voted for him....ANd u will be surprised to know that Modi didnt win election coz of hindutva..HIs main agenda was development...This also created tension bween Modi(who is state BJP head) with central BJP leadership.......Well we have a supreme court which is fair and they are not suspended by general............

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In the 1970s and 80s, a movement began in the Indian state of Punjab to secede from the Indian Union and create a separate sovereign theocratic Sikh state of Khalistan. Fueled by the Pakistani Inter Services Intelligence[3][4] agency, the movement reached its zenith during mid 1980s under Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale. It then slowly ebbed out, primarily due to the loss of popular support. The movement also hindered economic investment, became increasingly militant, and threw Punjab into a state of anarchy with increased levels of terrorism. The movement was also countered by counter-terrorism operations conducted by the Indian Army and the Punjab Police led by KPS Gill, which drew international condemnation from human rights groups such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch after thousands of innocent Sikhs were killed. After the bombing of Air India Flight 182 that claimed the lives of 329 Canadian civilians over the Irish Sea (the worst aviation terrorist attack before September 11), support for Khalistan lessened to a large extent. Two of the accused in the case, the Sikh separatists Ripudaman Singh Malik and Ajaib Singh Bagri were found not guilty and released, while a third accused Inderjit Singh Reyat was sentenced to ten years after pleading guilty.[5] A 1989 book by the journalists Zuhair Kashmeri and Brian McAndrew state that the Government of India could have staged the attack to portray the separatists in bad light.[6]

Pakistan Radio spreads false information on selection of pilgrims to Nankana Sahib

December 19th, 2007 - 7:09 pmGurdaspur, Dec 18 (ANI): Advocate Jaswinder Singh of the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (SGPC) has denied allegation of Lahore-based Pakistan Radio that Hindus are given preference over Sikhs while preparing the list of devotees to Nankana Sahib.
Rejecting the baseless allegation, Advocate Jaswinder Singh said the Intelligence Bureau, CID and Pakistan High Commission clear list of names of the pilgrims.
Apart from this, Pakistan has discretionary powers to shortlist the names. The SGPC has no major role into it, Jaswinder Singh said.
Punjabi Durbar programme of the air service of Pakistan has also demanded that Hindus must not be allowed to go on pilgrimage to the sacred place of Sikhs in Pakistan.
Criticising Pakistan Radio for its attempt to infuse sectarian and communal hatred, he further said that Pakistan has should take care of burgeoning Islamist radicalism there.
Jagdev Singh who was one among the hundred of Sikh pilgrims who visited Lahore on the occasion of Gurparv recently, complains that the arrangement made by Pakistani authorities were very bad.
“A large number of devotees reached to Nankana Sahib to pay their obeisance failed to do so. The (nagar kirtan) or holy procession was also not allowed this time,” he added.
Jagdev Singh went on to say that Sikh devotees were very much hurt by kind of hospitality they received in that country.
Though the Musharraf regime has revoked emergency, the law and order situation is still tense.
Pakistan Radio is spreading falsehood to hide turmoil which it has been going through.
In India, where modernity co-exists with ancient traditions and faiths, people shun propaganda that seeks to divide people on the basis of caste and religion. (ANI)

AMRITSAR: With the advent of New Year, the airwaves from across the border are striking a not-so-peaceful note. Radio Pakistan's programme "Punjabi Darbar" has reportedly intensified its propaganda against India, perhaps to provoke people in border belt.

The content aired is anti-government and even critical of the present Sikh leadership, presumably on the directions of Sikh separatists taking shelter in Pakistan.

Despite cable and dish network in most villages, radio is still a source of entertainment for a large number of farmers and farm labourers who often carry it to fields. "They want to provoke people of India against their government, a weak India is Pakistan's strength " said a senior BSF official.

Aired at 7 pm every day, the programme often begins with Gurbani recitation, followed by spewing of venom against India either by criticizing its polices for farmers or "suppression of a particular community" and ends with advise to "rise to the occasion".

In one such programme a Pakistan radio anchor said: "the Brahmin community of India has unleashed a spate of atrocities on minority communities and Sikhs are being denied their rights," and "Sikh farmers are committing suicide due to anti-farmer policies of government."

"This seems to be part of its multi-pronged strategy of waging a cold war," opined Sukhdeep Singh, sarpanch of Mujwind while talking to the TOI on Wednesday, adding that Pakistan should have discontinued the programme when both countries were treading on the path of peace.

"Peaceniks on both sides of the border should raise their voice against this." Harjit Singh, a border village resident said “ sanu tae hasa aunda hai ki uh kehandae ki nae " (We laugh at what they say). He said the whole programme appears to be masterminded by ISI or a figment of the producers' imagination.

Good relationship between India and Pakistan are in the favor of two countries. Instead of raising allegations on each other we should try to pursue our respective governments to work towards developing peceful relationships. Both governments in fact are trying to make blanket accusations on each other to get away from the peace process because none on em is sincere to the poor people of this sub continent. It's therefore our duty to listen to each other respectfully and instead of pointing out the allegations raised against other government, we should look into what is being said for our own respective government. Let us force these incompetent governments to do what we want in this region. Use the power of your pen so that your government serves you and other poor and middle class people of your country. This is good for our countries. Let's make the sub-continent one of the best regions of the world again.

You are just showing your points & thoughts.
Even Musharraf not saying that India is not behind the terrorisam activites into
Pakistan then I don`t care about that. We already DON`T like him because of his poor policies.
Believe me or not just 2 months ago Musharraf said with his an intervu to ARY DIGITAL UK channels
that he have some clue that India & Afghanistan is involving in Quetta & Karachi terrorist activites.
Of course, you indians are happy and enjoying pr today over Pakistan`s current situations. But remeber that
after night there is a day light. Once early 2000 India cry to the world with their biggest media in the world that
stop cross border terrorisam by Pakistan. Announce Pakistan as a terrorist state etc... But what happened even
99% world super powers supporting India, but no one dare to declare Pakistan as a terrorist state. Because they are
fylly aware by the reality of Indian`s propaganda against Pakistan since 1947 til pr today and further. You use bad words against me
that I\m anti indian. I never hate India at all. India have much bigger muslim population than Pakistan. There are lots of "Darga Sharif"
Tipu Sultan, Haider Ali, Humayon, Babar, Akbar and lots of other muslims history. But there are lots of hindus who are very much respectable
for muslims. I remeber that during Babri Mosque lots of hindus helped muslims from extrimist hindus. But unfortunatly India politaions never accepted
Pakistan with their heart. So the current situation of Pakistan is sad very sad. Of course there are some people who are behind that those do not want to
watch Pakistan as going ahead with lots of good thing. Believe if for example if this situation could be India then I never could enjoy that. Becaus
after all nebioughrs are nebiioughrs. You cannot change them. Thanks to those indians who showing their sympathi with Pakistan because of Pakistan`s current sad situation. God know that they are showing with their heart or it is just a political statement.

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U seems to be getting better.....i hope u read more of news from fair media and then i m sure u will be 1st one to spread peace in ur country WITH INDIA....

Indians are known for ethical models across the world....we are mainly moderates and possess 100% tolerance..

India has never ever bullied its neighbours..But opposite is always true...we respect all our neighbours.. and we want pakistan,bangladesh,nepal to live with peace......And I remember Once musharraf was asked few days after interview,he said india is not involved in any violence in pakistan.......Everything is public in india...we even expose our missile project flaws/failures to world...Even MOdi was caught by tehalka/aj tak on media....SO in india noone can take system for granted..

Media is above govt....................If we do anythng wrong ,its our own media will be the first one to point finger on us...ANd lastly we have high moral values..We follow Gandhian policy of peace ,harmony and peaceful co-existence with our neighbours.....

Western media and USA clearly knew involvment of ISI and pakistan agency in promoting terror,supporting taliwan, and even involvment in bhutoo's murder...u say musharraf is not represenatative of pakistan....please listen to views of ur top political leaders.All of them question about ISI....There are case against ISI in ur very supreme court for the atrocity they commit in pakistan.......Even muslim nations dont support u...They know that pakistan was culprit....

U should know that 1 incident can defame a nation..

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Of course there are some people who are behind that those do not want to
watch Pakistan as going ahead with lots of good thing. Believe if for example if this situation could be India then I never could enjoy that. Becaus
after all nebioughrs are nebiioughrs. You cannot change them. Thanks to those indians who showing their sympathi with Pakistan because of Pakistan`s current sad situation. God know that they are showing with their heart or it is just a political statement.

There are some anti-social people who may not like pakistan to do well..BUt believe me majoirity of indians want to have peace with pakistan....We know pakistan is going through its one the worst crisis...And we also dont want ur country to fall into civil war or get occupied by extremist.....And we share 1000+years of cultural relationship..And indians and pakistanis have same origins...so we want pakistan to prosper and recover from this crisis .....I wish ur country work for development of pakistan....

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	Indians are known for ethical models across the world....we are mainly moderates and possess 100% tolerance..

Killing the Muslims of Ahmadabad and now Gujrat and burning of churches in India doesn't approve of what you claim about yourself. There's no doubt that Indians show 100% tolerance towards big powers, but not for ones smaller than India. India is the only country which is ethically divided into castes. Hindus belonging to upper castes don't tolerate the low caste Hindus making progress and getting freedom from the supremacy of the mean Hindus who claim that they belong to the so called high castes.

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rohit_bangalore wrote:

U seems to be getting better.....i hope u read more of news from fair media and then i m sure u will be 1st one to spread peace in ur country WITH INDIA....

Indians are known for ethical models across the world....we are mainly moderates and possess 100% tolerance..

India has never ever bullied its neighbours..But opposite is always true...we respect all our neighbours.. and we want pakistan,bangladesh,nepal to live with peace......And I remember Once musharraf was asked few days after interview,he said india is not involved in any violence in pakistan.......Everything is public in india...we even expose our missile project flaws/failures to world...Even MOdi was caught by tehalka/aj tak on media....SO in india noone can take system for granted..

Media is above govt....................If we do anythng wrong ,its our own media will be the first one to point finger on us...ANd lastly we have high moral values..We follow Gandhian policy of peace ,harmony and peaceful co-existence with our neighbours.....

Western media and USA clearly knew involvment of ISI and pakistan agency in promoting terror,supporting taliwan, and even involvment in bhutoo's murder...u say musharraf is not represenatative of pakistan....please listen to views of ur top political leaders.All of them question about ISI....There are case against ISI in ur very supreme court for the atrocity they commit in pakistan.......Even muslim nations dont support u...They know that pakistan was culprit....

U should know that 1 incident can defame a nation..

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Of course there are some people who are behind that those do not want to
watch Pakistan as going ahead with lots of good thing. Believe if for example if this situation could be India then I never could enjoy that. Becaus
after all nebioughrs are nebiioughrs. You cannot change them. Thanks to those indians who showing their sympathi with Pakistan because of Pakistan`s current sad situation. God know that they are showing with their heart or it is just a political statement.

There are some anti-social people who may not like pakistan to do well..BUt believe me majoirity of indians want to have peace with pakistan....We know pakistan is going through its one the worst crisis...And we also dont want ur country to fall into civil war or get occupied by extremist.....And we share 1000+years of cultural relationship..And indians and pakistanis have same origins...so we want pakistan to prosper and recover from this crisis .....I wish ur country work for development of pakistan....

Me seems to be getting better.... Laughing

What you got wrong by me Rolling Eyes

I just try ti inform you about some thing about India that you may know very well but deni to accept.
But pls trynto think postive you too. Thanks

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Daily Times: What are your political ambitions in future, given the fact that democratic institutions are not strong enough in Pakistan?

Aamir Liaquat: I am really disappointed with what is going on in the National Assembly for the last few months. The democratic institutions are not weak but very weak. But the new blood has entered in to the National Assembly. We should be hopeful instead of getting disappointed. Only the young blood would bring the change, as the old parliamentarians had done nothing. The young politicians are not associated with the professional politics. The democracy must flourish in the country. This is my ambition and this is my belief.

DT: How would you incorporate the MQM’s ideology of realism and practicalism in the current situation?

AL: We have the approach of realism and practicalism. We are not saying like orthodox Maulvis to take the weapons and attack America. Our Quaid and we are saying that we don’t have power and don’t have the weapons. We must follow the Prophet (PBUH), who according to the then situation had sent his messengers to Najashi (a Christian ruler) asking for his help. We urge upon everyone to come to the negotiation table and resolve the disputes through dialogues. One should forget that the Kashmir could be liberated through ‘Jihad’. I might be labeled as traitor by saying so. The practicalism of MQM is evident with the fact that from the assembly of 1988 to 2002, all its representatives belonged to poor and mediocre class. Although Mr Qazi ,Mr Sharif and Ms Bhutto raised the slogans of practicalism, but none of them coud stand by it.

DT: How would you compare Altaf Hussain with the contemporary leaders?

AL: The basic difference between Mr Hussain and his contemporaries including Ms Bhutto and Mr Sharif is honesty and sincerity. Neither he wanted to be the prime minister or the chief minister. He took no benefit for himself or for his family.

DT: If he is a popular leader and better than Ms Bhutto and Mr Sharif, then why did he leave his people in lurch? Why is he not coming back?

AL: There was great threat to his life, as several life attempts were made on him. He is an asset for us and we don’t want to lose him, it was a unanimous decision of our party. Even today our parliamentarians are not safe, therefore, he is not coming back.

DT: Cuban president Fidel Castro had survived over 20 life attempts. He is so popular that on his one call a million people come out on the streets?

AL: There is a difference between Castro and Mr Hussain. There is no ISI or MI in Cuba. There is no influence of agencies within the political parties in Cuba. There is no terrorism in Cuba. However, in Karachi, the killing is a routine matter. The situation is not fit to bring Mr Hussain back, given the fact that he is running the party perfectly while sitting abroad, he would definitely come back.

DT: There were allegations that the politics of Karachi took bloo.. turn after the formation of MQM?

AL: I would like to ask those who are alleging us that if MQM was responsible for bloo.. politics in Karachi, then who had murder Zahoorul Hassan Bhopali. Why the student leaders of JUI had chopped off the hand of Shah Nawaz Shani? Who had killed over 100 students in education institutions before MQM’s creation? Who was responsible for bomb explosion in Bori Bazaar in which dozens lost their lives? I know who is making these allegations. The religious forces have themselves been involved in the bloo.. politics. Who had created Al-Badar and Al-Shams in 1971? They were the people involved in the genocide of the Bengali people. They were involved in the gang rape of countless Bengali women. They are proving that Pakistan is involved in the infiltration across the Line of Control. They were actually annoyed at the MQM, which ended their politics.

DT: On October 25, 1984, Mr. Hussain had publicly said, “Collect arms, if our rights are not given to us, we will use every kind of force”. How would you justify this?

AL: It is a great myth, it was only propaganda. Why are you taking it negative sense? What one can do when his children are slaughtered and women are raped? Would he see all this silently or take the arms for his protection? Neither police nor law enforcement agencies supported us.

DT: According to available statistics, as many as 173 persons were killed, 10 banks looted, 75 vehicles 24 houses and 20 shops were burnt during the last 153 days of 1986. Correct me if I am wrong that wasn’t this the year when MQM got politically activated?

AL: The MQM is not responsible for the bloo.. politics of Karachi. There was tension at that time in Karachi between Pushtoons and Mohajirs. Taking advantage of that situation, the intelligence agencies had sent their agents and started the massacre, regardless of who was Mohajir and who was Pushtoon. They created anarchy in Karachi. It was a mission by Ziaul Haq to destabilize the government of Muhammad Khan Junejo.

DT: You are strongly condemning the ISI and generals. But wasn’t it true that MQM was formed by the same ISI and generals to counter Pakistan Peoples Party, in Sindh?

AL: It is totally baseless. I oppose it strongly. There was no role of ISI and Ziaul Haq. Had it been truth, Mr Hussain would never been awarded sentence of 17 lashes from a military court. Mr Hussain was forced to lie naked on the ice slabs. The ISI role is to keep a watchful eye on the enemies of state, not the buying and selling of the political parties. Had ISI been involved in the creation of MQM we would not have faced the severe operation against us from 1992. More than 17,000 MQM members were killed during the operation led by Naseerullah Khan Babar. The ISI formed Jamat-e-Islami.

DT: According to you the MQM had always emphasized upon the strengthening of democratic institutions and opposed the undemocratic elements. Now what went wrong that you have become part of a pro-establishment coalition?

AL: We are still not supporting a dictator. The opposition is opposing LFO, under which they have contested the election. Why did they contest the election at the first place, as no body forced them to do so. The entire LFO is not wrong, but there are some controversial clauses. We want the LFO to be placed before the parliament.

DT: What are your predictions about the Pakistani politics?

AL: I am really disappointed with the Pakistani politics. The biggest despondency is the involvement of Maulvis in the mainstream politics, who are raising local issues at national levels. I am not hopeful with the national politics. The politicians of my country fight only for their own interests. I request General Musharraf to give me a chartered plane, and I would take all the politicians to Iraq. Then I would ask all those who claim to be great Muslims to come out and fight against the anti-Islam forces. If I could not take the airplane to Iraq, then I will destroy it in the sea. I would sacrifice my own life for this noble cause.

I am foreseeing a bloo.. revolution. Sorry to say, the democracy would bring nothing better in this country. Pakistan needs a bloo.. revolution. A person is required here, who will eliminate all the politicians once for all, and then intelligent and young people of Pakistan will come forward to lead the nation. I fear that in revolution the geographical situation might also change.

Now how many time should I upgrade your knowledge Question

All I know about MQM is only 1 thing and that is, that they are terrorists along
with RAW (India). Forget about interviews and links... Laughing

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rohit_bangalore wrote:

Daily Times: What are your political ambitions in future, given the fact that democratic institutions are not strong enough in Pakistan?

Aamir Liaquat: I am really disappointed with what is going on in the National Assembly for the last few months. The democratic institutions are not weak but very weak. But the new blood has entered in to the National Assembly. We should be hopeful instead of getting disappointed. Only the young blood would bring the change, as the old parliamentarians had done nothing. The young politicians are not associated with the professional politics. The democracy must flourish in the country. This is my ambition and this is my belief.

DT: How would you incorporate the MQM’s ideology of realism and practicalism in the current situation?

AL: We have the approach of realism and practicalism. We are not saying like orthodox Maulvis to take the weapons and attack America. Our Quaid and we are saying that we don’t have power and don’t have the weapons. We must follow the Prophet (PBUH), who according to the then situation had sent his messengers to Najashi (a Christian ruler) asking for his help. We urge upon everyone to come to the negotiation table and resolve the disputes through dialogues. One should forget that the Kashmir could be liberated through ‘Jihad’. I might be labeled as traitor by saying so. The practicalism of MQM is evident with the fact that from the assembly of 1988 to 2002, all its representatives belonged to poor and mediocre class. Although Mr Qazi ,Mr Sharif and Ms Bhutto raised the slogans of practicalism, but none of them coud stand by it.

DT: How would you compare Altaf Hussain with the contemporary leaders?

AL: The basic difference between Mr Hussain and his contemporaries including Ms Bhutto and Mr Sharif is honesty and sincerity. Neither he wanted to be the prime minister or the chief minister. He took no benefit for himself or for his family.

DT: If he is a popular leader and better than Ms Bhutto and Mr Sharif, then why did he leave his people in lurch? Why is he not coming back?

AL: There was great threat to his life, as several life attempts were made on him. He is an asset for us and we don’t want to lose him, it was a unanimous decision of our party. Even today our parliamentarians are not safe, therefore, he is not coming back.

DT: Cuban president Fidel Castro had survived over 20 life attempts. He is so popular that on his one call a million people come out on the streets?

AL: There is a difference between Castro and Mr Hussain. There is no ISI or MI in Cuba. There is no influence of agencies within the political parties in Cuba. There is no terrorism in Cuba. However, in Karachi, the killing is a routine matter. The situation is not fit to bring Mr Hussain back, given the fact that he is running the party perfectly while sitting abroad, he would definitely come back.

DT: There were allegations that the politics of Karachi took bloo.. turn after the formation of MQM?

AL: I would like to ask those who are alleging us that if MQM was responsible for bloo.. politics in Karachi, then who had murder Zahoorul Hassan Bhopali. Why the student leaders of JUI had chopped off the hand of Shah Nawaz Shani? Who had killed over 100 students in education institutions before MQM’s creation? Who was responsible for bomb explosion in Bori Bazaar in which dozens lost their lives? I know who is making these allegations. The religious forces have themselves been involved in the bloo.. politics. Who had created Al-Badar and Al-Shams in 1971? They were the people involved in the genocide of the Bengali people. They were involved in the gang rape of countless Bengali women. They are proving that Pakistan is involved in the infiltration across the Line of Control. They were actually annoyed at the MQM, which ended their politics.

DT: On October 25, 1984, Mr. Hussain had publicly said, “Collect arms, if our rights are not given to us, we will use every kind of force”. How would you justify this?

AL: It is a great myth, it was only propaganda. Why are you taking it negative sense? What one can do when his children are slaughtered and women are raped? Would he see all this silently or take the arms for his protection? Neither police nor law enforcement agencies supported us.

DT: According to available statistics, as many as 173 persons were killed, 10 banks looted, 75 vehicles 24 houses and 20 shops were burnt during the last 153 days of 1986. Correct me if I am wrong that wasn’t this the year when MQM got politically activated?

AL: The MQM is not responsible for the bloo.. politics of Karachi. There was tension at that time in Karachi between Pushtoons and Mohajirs. Taking advantage of that situation, the intelligence agencies had sent their agents and started the massacre, regardless of who was Mohajir and who was Pushtoon. They created anarchy in Karachi. It was a mission by Ziaul Haq to destabilize the government of Muhammad Khan Junejo.

DT: You are strongly condemning the ISI and generals. But wasn’t it true that MQM was formed by the same ISI and generals to counter Pakistan Peoples Party, in Sindh?

AL: It is totally baseless. I oppose it strongly. There was no role of ISI and Ziaul Haq. Had it been truth, Mr Hussain would never been awarded sentence of 17 lashes from a military court. Mr Hussain was forced to lie naked on the ice slabs. The ISI role is to keep a watchful eye on the enemies of state, not the buying and selling of the political parties. Had ISI been involved in the creation of MQM we would not have faced the severe operation against us from 1992. More than 17,000 MQM members were killed during the operation led by Naseerullah Khan Babar. The ISI formed Jamat-e-Islami.

DT: According to you the MQM had always emphasized upon the strengthening of democratic institutions and opposed the undemocratic elements. Now what went wrong that you have become part of a pro-establishment coalition?

AL: We are still not supporting a dictator. The opposition is opposing LFO, under which they have contested the election. Why did they contest the election at the first place, as no body forced them to do so. The entire LFO is not wrong, but there are some controversial clauses. We want the LFO to be placed before the parliament.

DT: What are your predictions about the Pakistani politics?

AL: I am really disappointed with the Pakistani politics. The biggest despondency is the involvement of Maulvis in the mainstream politics, who are raising local issues at national levels. I am not hopeful with the national politics. The politicians of my country fight only for their own interests. I request General Musharraf to give me a chartered plane, and I would take all the politicians to Iraq. Then I would ask all those who claim to be great Muslims to come out and fight against the anti-Islam forces. If I could not take the airplane to Iraq, then I will destroy it in the sea. I would sacrifice my own life for this noble cause.

I am foreseeing a bloo.. revolution. Sorry to say, the democracy would bring nothing better in this country. Pakistan needs a bloo.. revolution. A person is required here, who will eliminate all the politicians once for all, and then intelligent and young people of Pakistan will come forward to lead the nation. I fear that in revolution the geographical situation might also change.

FYI this guys amir liaquat has left MQM's MNA seat, he had some disagreements, to me this guy looks and sounds like a big dramay baaz who makes up things. there are loads of things in this interview which are completely wrong and he is misconceived. so rohit if I find such interviews that were given by some indian politicians against india would you be convinced that whatever I have been saying about india was right?
I cant see the motive behind copying this interview? go get some life mate!

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FYI this guys amir liaquat has left MQM's MNA seat, he had some disagreements, to me this guy looks and sounds like a big dramay baaz who makes up things. there are loads of things in this interview which are completely wrong and he is misconceived. so rohit if I find such interviews that were given by some indian politicians against india would you be convinced that whatever I have been saying about india was right?
I cant see the motive behind copying this interview? go get some life mate!

See mate,its not me who is saying about links of MQM with ISI right from Zia period to promote terrorism in pakistan and with main aim to contain bigger political parties(PPP and PML(N))

EVen PHP_Web told the same about this.

Dude u dont know any thing abt india.Indian politicians are all united and have highest values to india.No indian politician in india has ever spoken against india.U r really not aware of india diaspora .we take pride in calling us india...And i also know abt pakistanis (living abroad)who hide their nationality in UK/USA..They feel ashamed of being called pakistani..I dont mind calling myself indian.Although we are home to 30 crore people,but we are positive about it.

To me it looks pakistan is all mess ...An agency involved in inside politics.ISI funding these MQM initially to promote terror and later killing them....

shame on ur agency....earlier i thought ISI is only responsible for terrorism (taliwan/islamic extremism in kashmir).But now i see these people didnt spare their own people.dont they have any moral values?They think so pessimistic...if u people would have spent so much time in solving ur major issues,this subcontinent wouldnt have been home to terrorism.India is spending so much money and efforts to curb this terrorism..BUt see wts happening in ur country,these jehadis are after u....

u all shoul remove this terrorism frm roots ...Become a democratic country and cut wings of ISI ...i also heard cases pending against ISI in ur supreme court...i also heard ISI tortures so many people in pakistan....They have destroyed ur full country...

Indians dnt even know the name of our agency..its so peaceful and some of us called it an impotent agency after ISI used to carry our bomb blasts in indian cities....Now i feel proud of being indian.we are so tolerant and we have high moral values and restrain from reciprocating ....THats why full world admires indian peaceful stand....

Long live india
Long live indian subcontinent!!! Shocked

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This guy is vomiting everything.Now i feel both of u r are happpy with my point.ANd so far as i know he doesnt want to break pakistan and neither he is demanding for a new state....U cant compare him with balochis leaders who rebelled coz of
lack of funds/investment in balochistan....

He is talking a lot of sense.....I dont mean to say that india doesn have any problem.we also have naxalites who are promoting terror.BUt at present they have not done something of level of terrorism.And they are already in list of terrorists.They say they represent poor but they are local goondas ...But indian govt is now providing 10000 of STF(special task force) to destroy these naxalites.It seems our agency is now thinking to break their movement and later send all to heaven:D ..
UlFA is almost at decline after they lost public support..They are limited to few and are surrendering ....

rohit_bangalore wrote:

This guy is vomiting everything.Now i feel both of u r are happpy with my point.ANd so far as i know he doesnt want to break pakistan and neither he is demanding for a new state....U cant compare him with balochis leaders who rebelled coz of
lack of funds/investment in balochistan....

He is talking a lot of sense.....I dont mean to say that india doesn have any problem.we also have naxalites who are promoting terror.BUt at present they have not done something of level of terrorism.And they are already in list of terrorists.They say they represent poor but they are local goondas ...But indian govt is now providing 10000 of STF(special task force) to destroy these naxalites.It seems our agency is now thinking to break their movement and later send all to heaven:D ..
UlFA is almost at decline after they lost public support..They are limited to few and are surrendering ....

you pretend to have alot of knowledge about these things, but you know nothing. your source of knowledge is weak mate, you still dont know about MQM much because I have lived in karachi in those days when they used to slaughter people their own Pakistani brothers, it was the age of 1990's,although they are not much different at this moment. but there are many other things that you have not known about MQM and several other Pakistani people and you still claim to know everything, secondly you should go through their manifesto for this election which requires sovereignty of different provinces of PAkistan except currency, defence and transport their website is www.mqm.com or something like that.
btw I am still not reading your posts, I just come across a single sentence in your lenghty post and just comment on that because each sentence of your post is almost wrong or fake.

Tuesday, 16 January 2008

PAKISTAN’S SOVEREIGNTY AND INDEPENDENCE IS AT STAKE – ALTAF HUSSAIN

London – 16th January 2008 MQM Founder & Leader Mr Altaf Hussain has appealed to all the political and religious leaders to rise above their personal and party’s interests for the sake of national interest as Pakistan’s sovereignty, security and independence is at stake. He said this while addressing an emergency session of the MQM Coordination Committee from Pakistan and London at the International Secretariat in London. Those present were Convenor Dr Imran Farooq, Senior Deputy Convenor Tariq Jawaid, Deputy Convenor Dr Farooq Sattar, Incharge Coordination Committee Pakistan Anwar Alam, Members of Coordination Committee Saleem Shahzad, Mohammad Anwar, Tariq Mir, Asif Siddiqui, Naik Mohammad, Shakil Umer, Waseem Aftab, Senator Babar Ghauri, Adil Siddiqui, Mustafa Azizabadi, Joint Incharge MQM Labour Division Syed Mazhar Hussain and Member MQM Central Election Cell Aftikhar Randhawa.

Mr Hussain said that today’s session is important as the country is passing through its most critical phase since its inception 60 years ago. In 1971, the country was dismembered but the glimmer of hope remained in the form of West Pakistan for those who loved Pakistan. Unfortunately, in the past our foreign policy makers failed to assess the short term and long term benefits and risk to the country. Pakistan is an independent and sovereign country and a member of United Nations but today several national and international media are persistently reporting that Pakistan’s nuclear program should be capped and closed down. The reason given is that Pakistan’s nuclear program may fall in the hands of extremists. Whereas the same media is also reporting that whenever they want they will take action in Pakistan without seeking prior permission. The people of Pakistan should now think, is Pakistan an independent country?
If the answer is yes! then those belonging to differentpolitical parties must end the politics of personal interests and must decide with their personal and party interest more important than the country’s interest, independence and sovereignty? Regrettably, statements from certain political and religious leaders of the country do not reflect that they are aware of the severity of the situation faced by the country today. They are preoccupied in insulting each other and working for their personal and party’s interest. If they will not change their attitude and the people of Pakistan will not force them to change then sovereignty and independence will remain at stake. We must think and discuss the perils faced by the country today or should we be discussing personal and our party’s interest at this crucial stage? As a result the people at large are not aware of the true situation faced by the country.

Mr Hussain said that if people of the country are not united and don’t stand shoulder to shoulder with their army then the army alone cannot save or defend the sovereignty and independence of the country. He said that he has said this many a times in the past and will repeat again that a strong army alone cannot save the country and it is essential to have a strong nation standing shoulder to shoulder with the army.

Mr Hussain requested the Members of Coordination Committee Pakistan to forward his message to all the political and religious leaders they meet and ask for their views and suggestions in this regard. Having discussions indoors and making public speeches alone will not be sufficient to save the country – in fact, practical and visible steps and actions are the need of time. If all the political and religious parties united on one-point agenda to save the country then the Muttahida Quami Movement will stand shoulder to shoulder with them and will not shy away from offering any sacrifice for the country. He appealed to all the political and religious leaders of the country that for God’s sake in the present scenario rise above personal and party’s interest for the sake of country’s sovereignty. Because we can do politics if the country is safe and secure but what if the country is dismembered then there will be no politics or leadership. It is, therefore, the need of time that we all should unite and demonstrate our unity. We must leave the party differences aside for the time being. Differences also happen within families but when a member of family is in his or her last moments then the family members do not discuss their differences but pray for his or her life. He also appealed to the writers and intellectuals to promote unity and accord through their articles and columns as this is not the time to criticise on having ideological differences.

London – 13th January 2008

MQM Founder & Leader Mr Altaf Hussain has stated that Sindh’s rights cannot be attained merely by talking neither the conspiracies to pit the people of Sindh against each other can be defeated. The only way to attain Sindh’s rights is to enter the practical field of committed, dedicated, honest, intellectual struggle. He was addressing the Members of MQM Sindh Intellectual Forum. Those present were Asghar Rind, Tariq Jatoi, Mohammad Zaki Advocate, Sajid Soomro, Anwar Alam Incharge MQM Coordination Committee, Abdul Haseeb Joint Incharge Coordination Committee, Ashfaq Manghi, Member of the Co-ordination Committee, Salim Tajik Incharge ISTC, Long Khan Joint Incharge, Members ISTC Nisar Pahnwar, Heer Ismail Soho and Senator Dr Mohammad Ali Brohi.

Mr Hussain said that everything in this world has its beginning somewhere. In the past utensil were made from clay but today they are made differently and their comparison tells us that there is a huge difference in their quality. Similarly, in the past, television, films and photographs were black and white but as a result of efforts, struggle and experiments today they are in colour. This means that every thing created goes through evolution with the passage of time. If one is trying to make something and is not successful then either he or she may quit trying or be persistent in trying and use their intellect to find out the reasons behind the failure and then overcome these obstacles and retry to make. The path an individual takes depends on his or her patience, will power, determination, devotion and his intellect. If one is not persistent and committed then he or she will leave a piece of work incomplete and get involved in some other work – as a result no work would be completed. For example, if someone has a cultivable land and his cultivatable land entire crop gets infested or is eaten by birds; he tries again but the same happens again and finally with a lost heart he sells his field cheaply. The person who buys, tries to grow and sees that the field is infested therefore, using his intellect decides to use insect killing spray over the infested field and conventional methods to keep the birds away – as a result, the crop is bumper and the buyer is happy whereas the seller becomes the looser and remains poor. The seller was kind, honest and hardworking but instead of trying persistently and using his intellect he lost the hope and sold his prime land to someone who was an oppressor, cheat and a conman who coerces the peasants working on his fields. If the honest seller would have kept struggling persistently and remained committed using his intellect then his prime land would have remained his and the peasants would have been saved from coercion. Similar is the situation of Sindh where conmen have cunningly made money, created their fiefdoms and enslaved the people– and those becoming slaves after making small or no efforts have lost the hope. It is human nature that if slavery continues from generation to generation then the majority of these humans consider it as their fate whereas on the other hand the so-called mullahs also preach them that Allah Almighty has chosen to give wealth to one and make the other poor, therefore, if someone is a feudal then this is the will of God and so it is if someone is poor. The result is that such human beings do not struggle to change their circumstances but accept their slavery and poverty as their fate and keep busy in serving their masters, kept under the coercion, kept acting on every legitimate and illegitimate orders, kept touching their master’s feet, kept considering him as their Undatta (god) and Wali (Saint)– and more so keep saying that it is the right of the Sain (master) to cover his inhuman and un-Islamic acts; legitimising the act of karo-kari, (honour killing) where innocent people are murdered; to save their land marriage of women to Quran; marriage of elderly lady with a two-year old boy or vice versa is not even considered ill. This even goes as far as if the feudal has liking towards a daughter of his peasant then he orders her abduction, when he goes somewhere then his cohorts make available a girl to spend the night with the feudal and then this girl cannot get married for the rest of her life.

Mr Hussain said that Sindh’s daughters, mothers, sisters, elders, youth and peasants are faced with this oppression and coercion day in and day out but the so-called Sindh nationalists have kept quiet over this oppression and are only busy issuing statements against Mohajirs. The fact is that these cunning, shrewd and scheming elements want to keep the attention of Sindhi people diverted from the real issues and are busy in creating non-issues such as old Sindhis and new Sindhis. He inquired what nation or community today in Sindh is living since Mohan-Jodero time or from the time of recorded history? People came to Sindh in different times and settled there. Today, many of the families in Sindh speak Brohi Language. Similar is the case of the Baloch and people speaking other languages. Some came here a thousand years ago, some came here two hundred years ago, some came here one hundred year ago and some came here 60 years ago. In spite of the language one speaks living in Sindh, the thing to look for is if one’s entire life to death is linked to Sindh, one earns and spends in Sindh, one remits money from abroad to Sindh, sides with Sindh dharti on the issue of Sindh’s rights; and when dies is buried in the motherland of Sindh. He asked, when a Balochi speaking can be the son of Sindh, Pakhtoon, Afghans and even those who came from Arab Peninsula can be the sons of Sindh, then why the Mohajirs who came from India cannot be the sons of Sindh who have totally linked and are committed their entire life till death with Sindh?

Mr Hussain said that certain elements are stirring up propaganda based on the word “Mohajir” within the contents of my letter to the Sindhi people, whereas, the entire content of the letter states that Urdu-speaking are committed to Sindh and are Sindhis. These elements meted out the same treatment to Sindhi brothers who joined the MQM as they did with the Mohajirs. Their homes were attacked, they were badly beaten up, their offices burnt down and were taunted that after joining MQM they are no longer a Sindhi but they have become Mohajir. These elements are themselves the agents of anti-Sindh forces and accusing all those Sindhis who have joined the righteous struggle of the MQM.

Mr Hussain said, “I had ideological differences with Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto, during her Government my elder brother and nephew were martyred, thousands of my workers were martyred – but she was a daughter of Sindh and, therefore, tears came out of my eyes on her martyrdom, I pardoned the blood of my brother and nephew and prayed to Almighty Allah for His forgiveness towards Benazir Bhutto. I am not a hypocrite. I came on television and requested for God’s sake not to call Benazir Bhutto as killed but to call her a martyr.”

Mr Hussain said that we are following the teachings of Sain Shah Abdul Latif Bhittai and trying to grow the crop of love, devotion, unity and brotherhood. This crop is being infested by anti-Sindh elements and their cohorts, the so-called nationalists and they are busy in sowing the “hatred virus”. He asked, particularly from his Sindhi-speaking workers, would they loose hope and sell the motherland away to such hatred spreading oppressive elements? Or with effort, intellect, persistency, commitment and devotion keep struggling, detect and remove the “hatred virus” sowed by so-called nationalists; and then grow the crop of love, affection, peace, unity and brotherhood in Sindh. Mr Hussain reiterated that Sindh’s rights cannot be attained merely by talking neither the conspiracies to pit the people of Sindh against each other can be defeated. The only way to attain Sindh’s rights is to enter the practical field of committed, dedicated, honest, intellectual struggle. Mr Hussain paid tributes to the Members of MQM Sindh Intellectual Forum and other Sindhi-speaking workers and office bearers of MQM that despite all odds, losses and expected dangers they remained committed in taking his message letter to the Sindhi people – and this proves that whosoever holds the hands of Altaf Hussain once will prefer to die but will not leave Altaf Bhai.

London, 10 January 2008….Founder and Leader of the Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) Mr. Altaf Hussain strongly condemned the bomb blast at GPO Chowk, Lahore and express his profound and deep sorrow over the killing of 22 people including police personnel.

In his statement issued from London Mr. Hussain said that the barbaric elements who are killing innocent citizens for their ulterior motives are disturbing the law and order situation of the country, should not be spared.

Mr. Hussain demanded of the President Pervez Musharraf, Caretaker Prime Minister Mohammad Mian Soomro, Governor Punjab and Caretaker Chief Minister of Punjab to take notice of the Lahore bomb blast and take strong and concrete action against the conspiring elements to protect the lives and property of the citizens.

Mr. Hussain expressed his heartfelt condolences to the grieved families who have lost their love ones in the bomb blast. He prayed for the early recovery of those injured.

In a separate statement Founder and Leader of the Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) appealed to the workers and supporters of the MQM in Lahore to donate blood for those injured in the Lahore bomb blast. He said that a large number of injured are in a critical condition and desperately need blood donation. He appealed to the workers and supporters of the MQM Lahore to visit Mayo Hospital and the Services Hospital and donate blood as much as they can.

ALTAF HUSSAIN APPEALS SECTARIAN HARMONY

London, 10 January 2008….MQM Founder and Leader Mr Altaf Hussain has appealed to the Muslims of all schools of thought, particularly Pakistanis, to remain united and maintain sectarian harmony and peace during the holy month of Moharram-ul-Haram to defeat the elements who are conspiring to clash the people against each other on the basis of belief, religion and sect.

He urged the workers, office bearers and elected representatives of the MQM to play their role in maintaining sectarian harmony and brotherhood and to form peace committees comprising of elders and youths from all schools of thought during the month of Moharram in their respective areas.

Mr. Hussain said that Islam preaches for peace, love, harmony, unity and integrity. He instructed the MQM office bearers and the Members of the MQM Ulema Committee to meet with the religious scholars and representatives of different schools of thought and appeal them to play their role for sectarian harmony and peace in their speeches during holy congregations in Moharram.

Read above stuffs.they are the most recent from www.mqm.com

he is talking more sense than ur PPP and PML(N)

U want to call him terrorists.!!!!!! Shocked

شہیدوں کی قربانیاں برطانیہ کا پاسپورٹ
شرم تم کو مگر نہیں آتی

this picture tell how sensible he is. Looks very happy and proud with his new British Passport.

and taking about PAKISTAN’S SOVEREIGNTY AND INDEPENDENC ... I must repeat ugwaraich word to you.

	ugwaraich wrote:
	you pretend to have alot of knowledge about these things, but you know nothing. your source of knowledge is weak mate, you still dont know about MQM much because I have lived in karachi in those days when they used to slaughter people their own Pakistani brothers, it was the age of 1990's.

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MQM deemed terrorist by Canadian Judge

Judge orders deportation of Pakistani party chief
Stewart Bell, National Post
Published: Wednesday, July 18, 2007

The head of the Quebec branch of a Pakistani political party is facing deportation after the Federal Court of Canada ruled he belonged to an organization that committed terrorism.

The judge upheld the deportation of Mohammed Kashif Omer, a resident of Montreal, on the grounds he is a member of the Mothaidda Quami Movement, or MQM.

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I Do agree to the fact that he was solely responsible for terrorism.But he didnt do it coz he was being Funded by some indian agency..BUt online and ugwarich always link MQM with Indian agency...

I dont have much knowledge abt MQM and wt they intent to do.But i came to know that they were promoted by Zia to contain PPP.And later they were out of control.

But to say MQM is funded by india,is more of a mock Very Happy

rohit_bangalore wrote:

I Do agree to the fact that he was solely responsible for terrorism.But he didnt do it coz he was being Funded by some indian agency..BUt online and ugwarich always link MQM with Indian agency...

I dont have much knowledge abt MQM and wt they intent to do.But i came to know that they were promoted by Zia to contain PPP.And later they were out of control.

But to say MQM is funded by india,is more of a mock Very Happy

boy you got some serious memory problem I never said that MQM has some agency support from india, I only said that MQM has got indian sympathies just because he did a speech against Pakistan's sovereignty in india and he doesnt accept that Pakistan should have born. everyone knows about that speech when he was invited to bombay. I only called MQM is an agency itself workign against Pakistan's interest just like RAW, it might not be supported by india apparently but it is serving the purpose of RAW.

rohit_bangalore wrote:

I Do agree to the fact that he was solely responsible for terrorism.But he didnt do it coz he was being Funded by some indian agency..BUt online and ugwarich always link MQM with Indian agency...

I dont have much knowledge abt MQM and wt they intent to do.But i came to know that they were promoted by Zia to contain PPP.And later they were out of control.

But to say MQM is funded by india,is more of a mock Very Happy

Please trying to figure out now, If MQM is solely responsible for Terrorism (as you said also) so Head of the MQM is also Terrorist.... so if indian govt is inviting a Terrorist and giving him VIP protocal then what it means? Why india is given such support to a terrorist?

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