Muslim=Terrorist

There is a growing tendency to portray all Muslims
as terrorists. In India, so many bomb blasts and
the arrow is always pointed to Muslim terrorists.
This is an appeal for Muslims to stay out of such
crimes so that Islam does not abused in the name
of Muslims...it is very painful to see people doing
that!

terrorists have no religion,faith Or belief.It is only blamed on religions otherwise which religion allow one to kill? Those they turn mad, become fanatics or extreamists no matter belonging to any religion leaves behind their religions.They cannot be called Muslims,Christian,Jews,Hindus etc.Because we can also say the extreamists of Ireland,Bush & co,in the past Hitler & Missoleni etc were Christian extreamists.Israeel because of their State terrorism can easily be called Jews fanatics.Killing of hundred thousands of Kashmiris by the Indian Army we can stamp as Hindu fundamentalism.We should not forget that Suicide bombing in the recent past were started by Tamils(Killing of Rajev Ghandhi) & In Sri lanka.Why the world media is only pointing out Muslims,isn,t it biased,Partial & selective.We do condemn any kind of terrorism & terrorist but please do not blame it on the religions.

I am living in europe and really tired of fake news all around about muslim Terrorist. People all over the around including muslim now a days trusting on meda that mean what ever they will get from media they are acepting it. being a Muslim we cannot kill innocent poeple including women , children and old poeple even in state of war. These are not muslims who are beingpartof all this terror and we really need to convey this message to All

this is totally wrong that muslims=terrorists because every religion has stupid person which does bad things and this does not mean that all muslims are terrorists.

THATS ALL BULL WHEN U HEAR MUSLIMS ARE TERRESTS.. PEOPLE WHO ARE TERRESTS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGENS, THEY ARE TERRESTS BECAUSE OF OTHER PROBLEM LIKE THIER HOME BEEN THAKEN AWAY, ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH MUSLIMS. ISLAM DOSENT TELL U THAT, ANYWAY THEIR HINDU SIKH CRISTAINS TERRESTS MORE THEN ANY IN THE WORLD BUT NO RELIGENS TELL YOU TO BE TERRESTS

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hi to everyone hope u r enjoying life

Dears Abdullah2008,Amokhan & Zawari:Don,t get disheart or upset if you & we know ourself what are the teaching of Islam all about than the rest should not bother us.We know who is supporting this negative biased media Yahood,Hunood & Nussarahs,our duty should be to defend the Islam with the strength of our believing in it,With our knowledge of Islam & the way of "Hikmat".They can blame & accuse Islam but they cannot stop its growing even in the west.In fact theey are afraid of Islam & Inshah Allah when people like you having the "Dard" & love of Islam in hearts,they cannot take it away from the core of our hearts.Although we Muslims are ourselves responsible for our mistakes because we don,t have any mouth piece "MEDIA"etc to counter their propaganda.We might be not a practical Muslims but as long as we have the "Ghairat of Islam" in our hearts no one can defeat us.We need to beat the with knowledge,covince & compell them with our true peacefull Islamic behaviour.If we can touch the hearts of few in our surrounding with our good Islamic character will definitely make difference.I am proud of all of you.

its very good to discuss this most important problem which muslims are facing. more important can be: what should we do which can make others to understand that islam in principle has nothing to do with terrorism.

in my view .... the only reason why muslims are considered terrorists is that some terrorists are involved in terrorism after stating that these activities are related to their faith - islam. and this is something considered as "must to do". by doing these terroristic activities they can go in heaven etc etc. but not many scholars are saying openly against these people ..... if asked then they say these activities are not good but but but ....... there are other non-muslim terrorists too but not many of them do activities after stating that these are a result of their religious teaching ...

muslim scholars should come on streets and speak against them openly .... they should state clearly that whatever they do has nothing to do to islamic teaching and since they are involved in killing of innocent people therefore in principle they are destined to be in hell. it does not matter they got deprived of their rights etc or their relatives got killed in a bomb attack in afghanistan, palestine etc .... but since they killed innocent people .... which is forbidden in islam even in a war therefore its clear what is to happen with them ..... just simple to understand .... if my brother got killed in a bomb attack then i do not get right to kill some other innocent person ..... perhaps it can be allowed to kill that bomber ... yes but not other innocent person .....

our scholars ..... religious speakers etc should shout loudly against these people ..... call them enemies of islam .... enemies of muslims etc .... so that other people .... non-muslims in the world can distinguish between real islam, muslims and these terrorists .... otherwise since these terrorist are using name of islam ...... telling everybody their activities as a teaching of islam therefore muslims will get this famous symbol or name "terrorist".

Dear ssmeezan,You are right but let me tell you most of the Chrystian & belonging to the other religion people knows very well that in Islam all such activities are not allowed.I am representing Islamic community here in this city after 9/11 we are regularly having positive exchange discussions with them & we leave no efforts to show them the real Islam in its true spirit.It is important & is our job to erase the missconceptions & the wrong perceptions about Islam therefore I try to convince my own community how to interract with these people in awith the good & positive behaviour of Islam.Through our good manners,conduct,behaviour & other day to day buisinesses in the correct manner will enable us to leave a good impact on them.It is something which is the teaching of Islam.Our prayers,basic organ of Islam & our other "Ibadaat" are our personal thing whereas dealings with others in all the manners(Muhamalaat) in a correct way is the order of Islam & it emphasise on this.As you know the true "Ullamah,s have conveyed this messages even declared the suiside bombing (Except in war situation when there is no way left) in today situation is condemned.We have seen the such "Jayed Ullamahs are executed eg.Moulana Shamazai,Dr.Yousaf,mooulana Hassan Jan etc for the reason to portray the true & possitive picture of Islam.Most of Ullamahs are having political intentions,they only use Islam for their personal benefits & interests.The rest are Moulawis but not AAlims & they talk from their stomach rather from the Islamic knowledge.We have to accept our this delemma but in the meantime the laymen in the west do have understanding for Islam,the polititions & some other fractions of the western society are fearing the developement & growth of Islam therefore out of their own fear they put blame & make negative propaganda against Islam.Although most of us are nominaly Muslims but the Truth & the religion of nature is keep on spreading.I am convinced if we living abroad practically follow Islam in it true spirit believe me half of the western population will convert to Islam.We muslims project ourself wrongly the Islam by adjusting the Islam to suit their wishes rather than changing ourself in the direction of Islam.man made laws we have to accept & follow due to the fear of penalty & punishments but the universal Truth the Allah made constitution of Islam when we don,t follow than we try to justify it with the lame excuses.Those non Muslims having some personal agendas to blame Islam or the fundamendalists & fanatic ones we cannot change only Allah can change their hearts with "Hiddayat" but the rest we should try to win their hearts with our good Islamic (The real teaching of islam not the Mullahs & Talibans interpreted version of Islam)behaviour,manner & conduct.When we are correct in our day to day dealings,doing no illegal or immoral things,respecting others believes & private spheres is itself the best "Daawa".Allah shoul give us the knowledge of the rreal Islam "RAB E ZADNI ILLMA".It is not important how they behave or practice our concern should be to present the possitive & true aspects of Islam

Yes 100% correct that we can change the "wrong image of islam or muslims" through our positive interaction with non muslims. i try to do the same but i always think what should be the best possibility and then i think on these lines which i have written ... perhaps i can explain it differently what is in my mind .....

Why not our scholars or leaders come on street and declare openly what they think will happen to someone who is involved in terroristic activities killing some innocent people. we all know that when america started war against iraq .... millions of people came on street in europe etc to protest and tell america and the whole world what they think is correct or right. but i do not see similar protests in muslim world and declaration against the terrorists. we have prayers and our imams atleast have friday prayer time to state to fellow muslims what they think about these terrorists who are responsible for bad name to islam or muslims .... have you heard from anyone ??

and funny is the declarations from the terrorists since they declare openly that whatever they do is only because its according to teachings in islam and they are martyr or will be in jannat etc ..... let me know what you say about these terrorists if anyone asks you about them and their activities and what is our belief about their future in hereafter.

for me its not enough to be happy to know that western people can come near to islam or become muslims ..... i know as iqbal said ...... Pasban Mil gaye Kaa'be ko Sanam Khaane se .... its possible .... but why not those people who are currently muslims can choose the correct path or leave the wrong path .... why not? wrong path simply means that they are our brothers or sisters who are made to believe that the best path for them as muslims is to take part in these terroristic activities ... is to blow up and let others be killed in market etc ..... there are others who believe that their activities are good in some respect and they will be in Jannat!!!! i can not understand this theory .....

for me principle of islam is simple about these terrorists .... killing an innocent person is like killing humanity and its the biggest crime after "shirk" ..... what will happen to these terrorists .. clear to me ....

All these Suicidal bombers are brainwashed & manipulated by these westerners or their agents to justify their occupation of these lands.I always argue here with people that Was Hitler a Chrystian fundamentalist,are the Ireland protestants & Catholics are Christian fanatics & extreamists.Did they ever called killer of Palestinian people Zionists & jewish fanatics or faschist.Hindu occupation & genocide of Kashmiris are not stamped as Hindu fundamentalism.Tamils who started the suicide bombing in the near past are never targeted or declared as Hindu fanatics or Hiduists.They are only targetting Islam which they are afraid of.They are purposely poisining the minds of their citizens against Muslims,they make them scared from Islamists so no one should protest agaist this injustice.every one in his circle of friends,neighbours & those we deal or come across we should clear their minds with healthy arguments & the true preaching of Islam.Here we are working through Mosques,communities,personal relations & interractions.Those ULLAMAHS condemned loudly the suicide bombing & killing of the innocent people were mostly eleminated.We should try to clear their missconceptions,wrong perceptions & neegative ideas if not "La kum Deen a kum Wal yadeen".we should not expect too much from them,our Muslim population is mostly masacred.We know Islam is against suicide bombing,killing innocent people,any kind of violence & terrorism read the SURAT AL AHZAAB".We are facing state terrorism everywhere.

I think I have similar views like what you explained except .... some confusion in my mind ....
Brainwashed by westerners .... if yes then we should call these suicide bombers etc enemy of islam and puppets of america etc ..... i will be happy if i hear in mosques that who ever is involved in these activities has least relation to islam and will be dealt severely in hereafter. this will help others to get rid of these enemies.

hitler killed many innocent people .... but what was his slogan?? christianity based slogan??

suicide attacks are started by japanese .... tamils do the same but what is their slogan? do they say its because of their religious teaching tell them to do so ....

when shiv sena etc kind of hindu fanatics did similar activities everyone calls them hindu fanatics ... kashmir is but a complicated issue but many says that its based on religious hatred too ...

muslims are massacred ...... its also complicated for me to explain .... but i know many who feel safer in western countries than among muslims in their own countries ... this creates confusion .....

its a good activity to explain different aspects of this matter ... thanks for sharing ideas... from my side this may be all on this issue.....

when islam means peace, how can a muslim be a terrorist???

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ARSALAN ALI

"All these Suicidal bombers are brainwashed & manipulated by these westerners or their agents to justify their occupation of these lands."

alright now that my friend is a load of BS.
there are several things wrong with that statement. the first of which is the fact that you are implying Muslims are easy to brainwash opposed to any other group that has undertaken similar behavior. That kind of belief is like saying Emperor Tojo and the bombing of Pearl Harbor were all staged by the west to justify the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. it doesn't work like that. Now lets assume you are right and it is easy to brainwash Muslims. If they are truly THAT weak minded what does that tell you about the integrity of the Religion itself? It's about as stable as a house of cards floating on water.

its interesting to note that on one side my friend inayat qazi is telling us that a big number of westerners may become muslims in the long run

good

but at the same time we are losing hundreds and thousands of muslims to the brainwashing being done by the westerners (again as told by Qazi)

Isnt it a circle going on
gaining on one side
losing on the other

are the muslims really gaining or losing

Instead of looking at the situation sentimentally
lets take a view with a very cool mind

we are trying to win christians on our side
their religious circles think what WE (MUSLIMS) are doing is damaging their christian nation and religion, because the muslims are trying to get christians on their side

On the other side the christians are trying to win muslims towards their side,,,,,,,,,may it be through brainwashing or culture or propoganda or whatsoever
According to us what christians are doing is not correct, because the acts of christians are damaging the muslim religion and nation

it seems as if an open war is going on and everyside is trying to win...........

RULES OF GAME who cares perhaps

Dear I have said that if we would have practice the real Islam (Not the Talibaan & Mullah,s interpreted islam) through our good manners,behaviour,conduct,good relations & respecting others we can win the hearts of the non Muslim.Hence we are not practicing the true Islam we are not successfull to do so.But still in the youngest cemetic religions the progress of Islam believe is much more than others,secondly it should not be our aim to force or unnecessarily influence the non Muslims rather we are responsible for our believe to practice & present it according to its true spirit.I staunchly believe in this verse of Quran:"LAKUM DEENA KUM WAL YA DEEN"(For me is my religion & for you is your religion).As a true Muslim believer I don,t own those Insane,fanatics,extreamists & terrorist as a Muslim so it is useless to talk about.terrorist have no religion or belief.it counts for the individual & those involve in state terrorist.we cannot signify belief or religion through few Mads 6 we should try to judge religion through his believers rather the religion itself.We have never heard that hitler or Missoulini were declared or blamed as Christian fanatics or the terrorism in Ireland were blamed on Christianity.Israeel state terrorism were never labeled as "ZIONISTS" extreamism.In Kashmir genocide of the kashmiris were not projected as Hindus Faschism,fundamentalism.Tamils suiside bombers were never presented or called Hindus fundamentalists suicide bombings.Why all these double standards & using of different yardsticks.Anyone knowing or having the knowledge of Islam can accept,tollerate,protect or support any inhuman activities no matter done by any one,belonging to any country or religion.In Islam "Killing of one innocent humanbeing is like killing the whole humanity" We should know in first row we all are humanbeings & we are fully aware that every one is the creature of Allah therefore he is mentioned "RAB UL HALIMEEEN" not "RAB UL MUSLIMEEN".We know & the others should educate theirselves about Islam.We would hardly see that any Muslim have provoked or insulted Chystians or Jews because as a Muslims we can,t do so because of our believe in all the holly books & prophets which complete our Islamic belief.But you all claiming to be the western supporters,yourself brainwashed by them or the "enlightened Moderates"(Atta Turk version) have eever think how we Muslims are de moralised,targeted,blamed,accused & provoked purposely by these people.Keep your cool think about it & you will get tthe answers yourself.We condemn all sort of a inhuman activities,we don,t own it & call it un Islamic & please don,t blame the Islam for few Insane claiming to be Muslims.You can find good & bad,normal & abnormal ones in every Religion,society & country.If you are so subjective than call loudly BUSH,Blair etc the Christian fundamentalists & terrorist or diss own them.

Only ignorant people say Islam means terrorism!

i can deduce the following results from the above debate

Talibans doesd not represent true islam

If Talibans does not represent true islam

one who is trying to stop Talibans spreading in Pakistan must be doing a good job

i think so

They should stop them,there is no permission in Islam to kill innocent people for any reason.Even if any Government is existing without the "Ijtehad of real Ullamah,s"in case Govt is working against the will of Islam.No individual or groups are allowed to interpret or implement their own version of Islam in any case.If we would have the real knowledge of Islam no such incidents would be blamed on our religion.Dear Ahmet there were real "Ullamahs" in Pakistan who not only rejected talibanisation also declared suicide bombing "Harram" few of them were killed eg.Moulana Shaamezai,maulana Yousaf,Maulana Mohammad Hassan Jan etc.All these Ullamahs were Pashtoons & I am also Pashtoon but we condemn any such acts,moves & incidents as inhuman & un Islamic.We should not think as a tribalists,ethnic groups etc rather as a Muslim.When we know our Religion in its true spirit ourselves we can be proud of & we wouldn,t feel shy to defend it.

Hello

I am Kayce from America.

I couldn't help but post when I read this thread.

I for one know Muslim does not = Terrorist but I do agree a lot of people do believe that.
It bothers me terribly and I have spent many a day wondering how to change their minds.

Anyway, I was browsing the web looking for the English video of Ayman al-Zawahiri this evening and found your forum because of the news links.
I am pleased that it is in English. I am sure I will read here often.

Peace,

Kayce

Interesting

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The No individual or groups are allowed to interpret or implement their own version of Islam in any case.If we would have the real knowledge of Islam no such incidents would be blamed on our religion.Dear Ahmet there were real "Ullamahs" in Pakistan who not only rejected talibanisation also declared suicide bombing "Harram" few of them were killed eg.Moulana Shaamezai,maulana Yousaf,Maulana Mohammad Hassan Jan etc.All these Ullamahs were Pashtoons & I am also Pashtoon but we condemn any such acts,moves & incidents as inhuman & un Islamic.We should not think as a tribalists,ethnic groups etc rather as a Muslim

No individual or groups are allowed to interpret or implement their own version of Islam in any case.If we would have the real knowledge of Islam no such incidents would be blamed on our religion.Dear Ahmet there were real "Ullamahs" in Pakistan who not only rejected talibanisation also declared suicide bombing "Harram" few of them were killed eg.Moulana Shaamezai,maulana Yousaf,Maulana Mohammad Hassan Jan etc.All these Ullamahs were Pashtoons & I am also Pashtoon but we condemn any such acts,moves & incidents as inhuman & un Islamic.We should not think as a tribalists,ethnic groups etc rather as a Muslim.

Interesting

Please dont take it as personal. I am talking in general terms.
You said that Pashtoons dont approve the acts of Taliban. If its so then who are those in the tribal areas who are backing the Talibans

We have never heard that hitler or Missoulini were declared or blamed as Christian fanatics or the terrorism in Ireland were blamed on Christianity

Of course the acts of Hitler or Massoulini can not be termed as Christians fanatics, because they never declared their war against others as HOLY CHRISTIAN WAR

What the Talibans, AlQuaida etc are doing now, they openly claim that as JIHAD (ISLAMIC HOLY WAR)
So rightly their acts would be termed as Islamic terrorism

Unfortunately, presently Islam faces a serious challenge , not just from the Westerners. Its not proper just to blame the Westerners for everything wrong that Muslims are doing. We should also look why Islam stands so much divided now

Every group, which is working in the name of Islam, may it be Talibans , Alquaida, Jehadi, or even those who work honestly to spread islam in europe, claim that THEY ARE TRUE MUSLIMS, AND OTHER GROUPS DONT REPRESENT CORRECT ISLAM (as has been mentioned in this forum repeatedly)

If we look honestly, this lack of unity, has made suffer islam a lot.

Where one group says, Islam is to kill (Talibans) the other group announces that they dont know islam
The same practice is going on and on

Even we find this tendency throughout the Islamic history.

In this background, even if some people, claim that they represent the true and correct Islam, ultimately they are not going to land anywhere, because each group of Muslims, is trying to increase its own followers. So this division among the muslims, does not appear to end.

And so we are not leading to anywhere else but to chaos and grouping, who are always ready to take swords against each other, in the name of Islam..

I think this sole reason is the most important reason to think about.
Blaming others is the easiest method to adoptm we the muslims should take notice of what we are doing ourselves.
Just saying that westerners come and brainwash the muslims, etc etc. does not make any sense at all.

What we the muslims should think now is how we can unite.