Muslim + Christian = ??

how can a muslim and christian be together?i mean, marry. can a christian remain christian and marry a muslim or does need to convert first?

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It is allowed in Islam to marry Chrystian or Jew provided he is a real "AHL-AL-kitaab"means not only believes in the Holy books of Bible & Torat,but also lives & practice it and do not deny Islam(which is not only difficult rather impossible now a days) & I have to mention further that this permission is only for a Muslim men(not because of any descrimination or chauvanism but it has a rational reason).The main reason is if a real staunch Muslim(Rather believer) man marry a Chrystian(Ahl-al-kitaab)wife than a child born this woman will be a Muslim where as if a Muslim wife is not permitted to marry non Muslim,bcs she will give bith to a non Muslim child as we know a commen practice is that NASL transfer through father.Here I will add sometthing,now a days we Muslims ourselves not sure about our religion(lake of Imaan)& question our religion to much,upto one extend we are allow to ask questions to clear our minds,but to follow the way of Bani-Israil & ask unnecesarry clearification which suits our own mindset.Belief is blind to me whether we believes that whatever is ordered us in Quran & Sunnah,without any ifs & buts we have to follow it eg.if we can obey the man made laws implemented through wordly governments,without questioning it,why can,t we follow the ALLAH made laws.Which is always benefficial for the mankind because he is the only one(Our Creator,knowing everything about his creation )to know what & why is things allowed or not allowed for us.I thing I am gone far from answering your question but anyway manythings are allowed in Islam but we should not forget in allowed things there are some MUSTA AHSAN things leading us towards a successfull & harmonius life.As said above it is allowed to m arry Ahl-al-kitaab but we have to see the immplications of it in this today society.first of all are we such a strong believer Muslims to bring up our children as a good muslims,if we have a non muslim wife & not forgettin the fact a child grow in the hands of a mother and also remains mostly with mother.How can we expects odds,whether as a men we are really devoted that remains home or we give a chance to live family life without harmony.Secondly why can,t we follow the sayings of our beloved Prophet Mohammad(SAW)to choose best mother for our coming generation that only can be from our own religion but it is than most important for us when our priority becomes our religion which includes everything e.g living as a good humanbeing,good social life,harmonious family life etc.As a good Muslim I/we respect every religion & I am fully convinced through my own observations & experiences living here in west specially,that firstly marrying someone from own religion & secondly from own cultura,traditional background helps towards successfull & harmonious family life.Mostly because I believes that it is always injustice to expects from your partner to change her/himself at 180 degrees,meaning he/she has to compromise because of his/her belief,food,habbits,social life etc.Trying to avoid unnecesarry tention,giving birth to so many social & religious hate it is advisible keeping all the consequences in mind for a Muslims to choose a Muslim companion.As said by Allama Iqbal "KUNAD BA HUMJINS,BA HUMJINS PARWAAZ-KABOOTER BA KABOOTER;BAAZ BA BAAZ"near meanings every one likes to be in the company of his own fellow being,like peasent fly alongwith peasents & likewise Eagles remains with eagles.Why to go into a so much controvercy as a good believer Muslim can,t we find a good fellow Muslimbeing.I Also belief if we have staunch faith in Islam we can compell & convince(but not to force) through our good character his or him to accept our religion by his or her own conviction before going into the marriage process and it will be than a fundament to build on.May ALLAh give us strength to follow Islam in his real sense & essence.When we work for a better ALLAH gives in that "BARAKA"(BARKAT) & rewards us with best.

Jaza kallah Khair Inayat Qazi.

I say: if your friend Christian or Jew is so impressed from your personality that he or she want to start the ultimate relationship with you (married life) and wants to remain loyal to you for whole of his or her life, then he or she should also be impressed from your religion and beliefs.

If he or she is not impressed from you religion and beliefs than definitely he or she is not impressed from the major part of your character. Let me say that in this condition he or she is closer to you to satisfy the sex only. You can think of the consequences of such a relationship. I am not talking about Hadith of fatwa or law. This is a clear logic.

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i am a lady and my boyfriend for 5 years is muslim. we havent meet yet but we're planning to get married as soon as we see each other. i am willing to be muslim but he said that in Islam they dont believe that Jesus is SON but only a Messenger. Christians believe that Jesus is Son by God the Father.

Everytime we talk about religion we just end up arguing Sad

i felt like he is forcing me to change religion inorder to marry him...
how can i believe something which is different from what i believe in my heart??[/quote]

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Dear Sister Lina Hashmi

I am surprised. How you can be a Hashmi if you are non Muslim? Hashmi means the same tribe which our Prophet Muhammad (may Allah peace be upon him) belonged to.

First of all you may know that all Muslims believe in God and call him by the name Allah. He is alone. He nether needs relatives nor he has any. He did not born from any other and he is not father of any thing. He made every thing by his will. He just say "be" and it comes into being. He is the absolute power of the Universe and nobody shares his power. Nothing is like him.

Secondly, Allah sent his messengers (Prophets) time to time to guide the people on earth. These messengers were all chosen by Allah from the pious people at their time. This was the chain of messengers started from Adam PBUH (may Allah peace be upon him) and then Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Mosses etc. etc. The second last was Jesus and the last one our Prophet Muhammad (may Allah peace be upon all of them).

We believe that Adam was made by Allah without father and without mother and Eve was born from him. All of the human being are their children.

Jesus was born from his mother Merry without father. This was the miracle from Allah and was the proof of his Prophet hood.

Allah has sent some books on few Prophets. Zaboor, Torah, Bible and Quran are the known examples.

We believe that what we are doing good or bad in this life is our examination from Allah and we shall get its good or bad reward in the life after death which will be the real eternal life.

Every person will get reward in the life after death only for his own deeds. No body will be punished for any other body's wrong doings. No body will get good reward for any other persons good doings.

A Muslim has to pray 5 times a day. This is mandatory. No body can pray for other person even on payment.

Remaining behaviors like eating clean food, behave good with others, respect elders, respect your parents, give money to poor people etc. are nearly the same in all religions.

If you think you can accept all of the above than possibly it easy for you to become a Muslim.

My English is not so good but I hope you will get a good concept from it.

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All big religions have so called "Holy Books" which are presented as proof of God.
There logic is that their so called "Holy book" is proof of Gods existense, and as the book says that God exist then both the God and the book is true. This type of reasoning worked during dark and middle ages, can one understand, but it is amazing that this type of reasoning is not only prevaling but expanding.
All these big religions have different Gods. They all tell there children that only there God is true. Almost all of these religions tell that only if you obey their god you will be saved, otherwise you will be burn in Hell for all eternity.
Since humans acquired conscience they had idols and gods. Sun ,Moon, Thunder, Earthquakes, Tsuanmies, all were considered Gods. All modern Civilizations, Egyptians, Romans, Greeks had Gods, before Jews started worshipping a single god. Then Christians
took this theme forward by "The father the son and the holy spirit". Then came Mohammad
and Quran. All the Gods have always been invented by humans (mostly men) and all the "Holy books" have been written by humans. The only difference being, that before people had lots of Gods they could see and touch, but now they have imagery/invisible Gods. Hindus and some other religions still love to have God statues etc.
All religions survive on brain washing children. That is the only way they can believe in " Adam made from dust, Eve made from Adams Rib, Talking snakes in the Garden of Eden,
Prophets living in the belly of whales, Virgin births, flying to heavens, raising the dead, Noah's Ark etc. etc. etc.
You have to be brainwashed from Childhood to believe in these myths and fables. Jews and Christians no longer advocate the punishments mentioned in Torah or the Old Testament. But not the Muslims. They are hellbent to move the clock backwards and
live according to the rules of 14th century Arabia. In these times people are stoned to death for adultery in Iran , Iraq, Pakistan and Saudia Arabia. Death is still the official penalty for Apostacy in Saudia Arabia. Girls marriage in Iran is permitted from the Age of 9, because 1400 years ago Muhammad married Aisha when she was 7, and consummated marriage when she was 9. Non muslims are lynched to death in Pakistan when accused of blasphemy. Mothers , wives, sisters and daughters are daily slaughtered in rural Pakistan on the slightest doubt on their honour in the name of honour killings. Women who have been gangraped and are unable to provide 4 male witnesses who saw the act, are put in jails on the charge of adultery. How can a women provide 4 mail witnesses who saw her being raped?

Humans are one of the Great Apes. The other Great Apes are Chimpanzees, Gorillas, Orangutang and Bonobon. Our closest genetic relative is Chimpanzee with 98.5% similar genome.

Evolution with mountains of "Empirical evidence" is laughed at by all religious people, but they willingly kill each other in the name of their God. And what evidence do they have that their God exists and is the only true God. None. They never had any evidence , not a shred of evidence ever.

So brainwashing children is the tool for the survival for all religions. And they are doing a tremendous job. I only hope it does not take 3000 years for people to get rid of this deadly virus called religion.

Brother rapidflex:

You are mistaken. Nether Quran is a proof of existence of Allah nor we believe blindly that Quran is a book from Allah. Quran invites us to think and draw results.

The Scientific facts revealed by science 100 or 200 years ago were told by Quran 1400 years ago. Try to visit www.irf.net or watch debate between Dr. Zakir Naik and Dr. William Campbell on the topic " Quran and Bible in the light of Science ". This is the proof of Quran being a book from Allah.

By the way the person who started raping his daughter from the age of 11 years and made her captive on the age of 18 years. Kept her in a cell underground for 24 years. Produced his 7 children from his daughter is not living in Pakistan, Iran or Iraq. He is from the most educated and the most enlightened country of 21st century, AMERICA.

The girls of 7 and 6 years old from Germany delivered babies safely and wanted place in Guinness book of World Records were not from Muslim families. Does it not prove that few girls at this age are able to have marital status?

You are talking about countries Laws. Which are made politically and are not necessarily according to Islam?

Consider the conversion rate to Islam in America. Converted people are not children they are adults and well educated people. Few of them are now scholars in Islam. Watch them on Peace TV. These people were brain washed in their child hood to be Christians or Jews. This proves that your assumption that a person essentially follow the religion he had in child hood is wrong.

What you will say about the proven forgery of fitting an Ape's Jaw to an old Human's scull to prove the chain of evolution. What about the strange feet of human being, the big round size of women's breast, big round size of buttocks and enjoyment of sex by woman and man regardless of ovulation cycle, big size of brain, powerful linguistic skills, very sensitive finger tips, differentiation of colors and laughing behavior. Do any of these features of Human being match to any nearest species.

Do you believe on the people who say that they sent men to the moon and brought them back safely with less protection than the protection in your home microwave oven? They not only survived the Von Ellen Radiation Belts but felt no pain passing them. They did this without previous experiment by sending any kind of animal to the space and without any kind of observations. Why not Russians who were far ahead of America in Space Technology even attempted that. Russians sent experimental animals to space. Only animals survived which were not gone up to Von Allan Radiation Belts like Lyca the female dog. The Baboon which when reached these radiation belts just screamed and burned died despite of better protection than Apollo protection. American says this was the high speed which protected the Astronaughts. When it is well known fact that the speed of Apollo and Soyuz was 25000 miles per hour, the required speed to go out of earth's gravity.

20th and 21st century science:

Science is very far from understanding the universal powers or energies. Can any science explain the nature of Magnetic field, Electric field and Gravitational field? We only know the laws governing them but what they are themselves, no science knows.

Still Science has to do a lot to understand Powers of the creator of the Universe. It is only the religion which gives a little glimpse of outcome of his powers.

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Christians are our brothers. We have common GOD.
we have one book they have also one book (ofcourse the latest one will be june 2008)

cheers my christian brothers.

Rgards,
Wahab Masih

Your and Dr. Naiks arguments are for people who believe in the Supernatural . The type of people who believe that Astrology is science.

When your doctor Naik talks about "Theory of Evolution" he is either ignorant of what
"theory" means in scientific term or knows that his audience is more ignorant. I can tell you so you can pass this information to him, so he do not make a fool of himself when he comes up for some real Scientific debate. Dr. Naik is a religious Scholar, he has studied religion, but when it comes to science he has no real idea what he is talking about.

A scientific theory is more important than facts in science. Theories are combination of facts, laws, tested hypothesis and observations.
In science facts are a piece of data, which can be proven wrong.
This is how science/Scientists ranks things.

1) Theory
2)Laws
3)Hypothesis
4) Facts

A scientific theory is a combination of facts, laws , evidence and hypothesis.
Thats why we have so many theories:
General relativity theory.
Gravitation theory
Electromagnatic theory
Atomic theory.
Theory of Evolution.
etc. etc.

There was a time between 8th and 11th century when Muslim/Islamic Science was at its best. Baghdad and Corduba were at the forefront of advances made in Navigation, Medicine, Astronomy etc. etc. At that time people in Britain were in middle ages, living like barbarians and America was not even found yet. But then people like Imam Ghazali put stop to all that. As a result Mulsim/Islamic science has come to Zero now.

Arabs can live on God delusion as they have "Oil Money" to feed them. But countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh , Indonesia etc. cannot afford to prolong this delusion as they have no
oil to feed them. It is also no hidden secret how women workers from Bangladesh, India, Philipines etc. are treated in Arab countries. They are treated as slaves and some as sex slaves. Only 50 - 100 years ago Arabs used to kill each each other for drinking water from the wrong well. Oil money have not made them any better humans.
There treatment of male workers from poor countries is no hidden secret either.

There are some good things in Islam, like there are good things in other religions. Where
other religions have evolved with the time and changed some of not so good things, Islam
want to keep all the things as they were 1400 years ago. Instead of learning Science and technololgy the kids are sent to madrassahs in countries like Pakistan where they are totally brainwashed. They come out of these Madrassahs ready for shortcut to Paradise and 72 houris by blowing themselves up where these Saudi paid Mullahs/priests tell them to. Or cut
the throats of infidels on video to please their God, or shoot their fellow Muslims because
they happen to be "Shias"

Proving something needs empirical, testable evidence. Their never has been a shred of evidence regarding the existence of any God. So keep brainwashing childrens, so they never ask for evidence.

rapid, you are the worst speaker I have ever come across, you just talk talk talk, with no evidence. You have discussed so many issues in a single sentence. However I wuold only answer the juice of your post which is that muslims are backward and doing nothing in terms of science.

1) Religion of Islam has nothing in conflict with science as long as science doesnt conflict religion
2) for reason number 1, everyone is encouraged and entitled to have ones scientific education. So your view of Pakistan, afghanistan or Iraq is completely wrong, Pakistan generated alot scientists, engineers, economists and doctors every year; you should rather stick to statistics than just talk talk and talk. So your notion of extremists is completely strong, the only thing that has created extremism is Palestine, Kashmir and American bases in arab country's. Otherwise muslims are OK with everyone. Extremists are doing all this because of anger over these issues, although this is not an ideal path to choose; but thats how it is.

3) The reason for not progressing in science is because most of the muslims are in trouble, and these troubles have been started the countries which are against muslims countries politically, economically or geographically. USA, Israel, and India are the easiest examples of this because of the territorial issues of Palestine and Kashmir, Afghanistan and Iraq. each of thes countries have equal contribution in supporting these issues.

4) Every nation has rise and fall, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Muslims, and now Americans, it is a cycle; so you will see every nation passing through this up and down cycle.

5) The evidences of existance of ALLAH/God is you yourself, dont you see the things that work around you? dont you see birds how they fly and why they are better than aircrafts(man's creation) in flight?, do you think a human being is capable of creating a human brain, which works exactly like a normal human brain? these are all the evidences that there is a power, a spirit that exists Who creates everything and takes care of how things work. if you call all these creations as delusion then you are in deep dark. Because if I understand that if you comply with theory of evolution then it means you donot believe in spirit, you only believe in material. If you dont believe in spirit that means you donot believe in soul, if you dont believe in soul then can you tell me what is the difference between a dead man and an alive man? There is no difference at all materialistically/realistically between a dead man and an alive one but the soul/spirit. If you believe in spirit then you are contradicting theory of evolution and Darwin's theory.

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	A scientific theory is more important than facts in science. Theories are combination of facts, laws, tested hypothesis and observations. In science facts are a piece of data, which can be proven wrong. This is how science/Scientists ranks things. 1) Theory 2)Laws 3)Hypothesis 4) Facts

you must have a mental disorder if I am not wrong. If science ranks things the way you ranked then I must tell you it is not science what you are talking about its your self created concept of science.

this is how science ranks things

1) Facts/results from some experiement
2) Laws
3) Theory
4) Hypothesis

I learn that you are an atheist and strong supporter of theory of evolution which forces me to say that you are a beautiful creation of the fusion of today's media and western society.

Thanks a lot for your compliments & Jazak Allah Khair for your views,

I am not at all claiming to be scholar but Allah Hamd Do lillah I am trying to be practical Muslim.My views given about marrying Chrhystian is based mostly on my experiences(Not my own)with the Muslim community here in Germany.We are not the people to deny that as a Muslim men we can marry a Chrystian or Jewish woman provided they are Ahl al kitab meaning truely practical believer of their religion first.Secondly they should believe on Islam as a religion & doesn,t deny it.I have hardly met a person to fullfill this qualification.More important of all is the Religious,Cultural & Moral differences betweeen the two,s.I used to hear from one my teacher in schoolthat"East & West will never meet"I couldn;t grasp it than,but now my day to experiences proved this to be a reality.By saying this I don,t want to sound biased,or I want to let one or the other Religion or society.Main reason is that I staunchly follow the saying of our Prophet MOHAMMAD(SAW)"To choose the better Mother for your coming generation".Isn,t it better & practical to find one from your own religion.So that no injustice,missunderstanding,discrimination and missconception should take place in a family.Like you said if any non Muslim love a Muslim should first study Islam,judge it at any level & than when she is convinced & compelled not through the character & behaviour of her beloved rather through the spirit & teaching of Islam itself.In my eyes in today,s world it is very inpractical to for a Muslim to marry a non Muslim wife firstly because of there religious,social & culturel differences which always causes injustice in family & mostly ended in divorce and causes further social & religeous hate.Mostly effected are children in these cases.In my point of view marrying amongst different religions is injustice to both partner because it is asking toomuch from each other.It is odd & difficult for one to leave his religion,culture & social values at 180 degrees.A married life based on religious compromises is inpractical & often lead towards disaster.Why can,t we find one from our own religeon,cuturel & social back ground to make it easy for ourselves & for our children.We are the one responsible for the bringing up our children in a harmonious families so that they are mentally & psychologically healthy.They grow up without any complexes.Why should we involve ourselves in controvercies if it is not for some other sake,when there is a lot of good Muslim women we can chose to marry and vise versa.

Ugwarach: Are you doing your science studies in some hole in a desert? Religious studies and meditation you can do in desert holes and caves, but not science studies.!

I hope you can read the following:

According to the National Academy of Sciences:

Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature that is supported by many facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena.[1]

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For understanding the evolution of feathers you have to study some of the following books:

Brush, A.H. 1980. Chemical heterogeneity in keratin proteins of avian epidermal structures: Possible relationships to structure and function. In The Skin of Vertebrates, Eds R. Spearman & P. Riley, pg 87-109. Linnean Society of London, London.

Brush, A.H. 1985. Convergent evolution of reticulate scales. Journal of Experimental Zoology 36: 303-308.

Brush, A.H. 1996. On the origin of feathers. Journal of Evolutionary Biology 9: 131-142.

Brush, A.H. 2001. The beginnings of feathers. In New Perspectives on the Origin and Early Evolution of Birds, Eds J. Gauthier & L.F. Gall, pg. 171-179. Peabody Museum of Natural History, New Haven.

Dyck, J. 1985. The evolution of feathers. Zoologica Scripta 14: 137�154.

Feduccia, A. 1980. The Age of Birds. Harvard University Press, Cambridge.

Feduccia, A. 1985. On why the dinosaurs lacked feathers. In The Beginnings of Birds, Eds M.K. Hecht et al, pg. 75�79. Freunde des Jura-Museums, Eichstatt.

Feduccia, A. 1996. The Origin and Evolution of Birds, First Edition. Yale University Press, New Haven.

Feduccia, A. 1999. The Origin and Evolution of Birds, Second Edition. Yale University Press, New Haven.

Jones, T.D. et al. 2000. Nonavian feathers in a late Triassic archosaur. Science 288: 2202�2205.

Maderson, P.F. & Alibardi, L. 2000. The development of the sauropsid integument: a contribution to the problem of the origin and evolution of feathers. American Zoologist 40: 513�529.

Martin, L. 1983. The origin of birds and of avian flight. Current Ornithology, 1: 105-129.

Ostrom, J.H. 1976. Archaeopteryx and the origin of birds. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society 8: 91-182.

Prum, R. 1999. Development and Evolutionary Origin of Feathers. Journal of Experimental Zoology 285: 291-306.

Prum, R. 2003. Are current critiques of the theropod origins of birds science? rebuttal to Feduccia (2002). The Auk 120: 550-561.

Prum, R. & Brush A.H. 2002. The evolutionary origin and diversification of feathers. The Quarterly Review of Biology 77: 261-295.

Zhang, F. & Zhou, Z. 2000. A primitive enantiornithine bird and the origin of feathers. Science 290: 1955�1959.

If you do not have that much time, you can check some vidoes on you tube. Just check for "Evolution of Feathers" . They are
especially made for dummies like you.

Good Luck.

WE SHOULD FIND THE COMMON THINGS BW US.

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	i am a lady and my boyfriend for 5 years is muslim. we havent meet yet but we're planning to get married as soon as we see each other. i am willing to be muslim but he said that in Islam they dont believe that Jesus is SON but only a Messenger. Christians believe that Jesus is Son by God the Father.

Sister

In my opinion your case is an emotional case. I believe marriage between man and woman should be on rational basis. Marriage is not only joining the two souls but it is start of a generation ( or call it start of a nation ). Islam not allows a marriage which is only for enjoyment. In Europe and America some people marry and pre-decided not to produce children. It may not be allowed in Islam or at least it must be considered the worst kind of marriage.

If you are feeling differences before seeing each other then how you will feel comfortable with your children. Is it possible that your son can be half Muslim and half Christian?

I already written some of the Muslim beliefs. Another thing to mention is that every child who born in any part of the world and in any family with what ever religion, he is innocent. This is also a basic belief of Muslims. Son or daughter cannot be held responsible for father's or grand father's sin. It is illogical to make a person responsible for what he or she not has done. It is only the environment which make him Jew, Christian, Hindu, Muslim or Buddhist.

Best of Luck.

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It is correct that we should always find the common things atleast in all thre cemetic religions not always to pin point & criticise each other without healthy grounds,reasons & arguments.West is always skeptive about Marying some one without knowing & seeing him prior to the marriage.In their eyes it is allowed but strange & therefore they have reservations about it whereas in our part of the world it is common(Not only in the muslim but also hindus & other religions) & proved more successfull than in the western society,there are many other examples.in the same manner we are not saying that a Muslim cannot marry chrystian girls but we have to see the practical aspect of it.We are not supporters of confucing our children about the religion & which way to go or chose.We donn,t want to do unjustice to any of the partner to expect from other too much which is usual in such a casses.there are so many differences (though look tiny but get bigger with time passing) in the practical life eg.What to be cooked(Pork for Muslim is completly forbidden even not correctly slaughtered animals are allowed.Jews also follows this way)which clothes to be wear in Islam there are certain restrictions.Clothes should cover"Auraa" the certain parts of the body.Different celeberations & different way of celeberating them & somany other religious, social & cultural diffences.Why to live the life of un acceptable compromises which in a long way leads towards separations.So it is practical to think rational before"think before you leap".Marital life is than successfull when based on strong fundaments & I think the major one is,one,s belief.