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uali2003
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Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 5 Location: New York/Islamabad |
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May Allah protect Pakistan from all the evil politicians ameen
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| Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:27 pm |
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@nline
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Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 1303
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Agar Zardari ne President banna thaa, toh iss se behtaar Musharraf thaa.

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| Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:34 pm |
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tufail_74
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dont worry dear u will say thing many many times.
" is say to musharraf acha tha" this will be heard and written just wait for sometim. still pl hav some misunderstanding and under propaganda. now they say 8yrs has brough country on this point. although none figure and income of private and public employees are double than it was on 1998.
now u digest the fruits of "THIS" democracy. and bear everything happily as this is ur own choice.
may Allah always protect Pakistan.Ameen
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| Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:19 pm |
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gomezcaseres
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Joined: 16 Aug 2008 Posts: 34
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I have read every type of remarks in this thread. I think we must respect other΄s views. Allah has blessed different levels of understandings to different people. Everybody see the diamond sitting at different angles and insist in different colors of it. If we want to verify the truth of others statement, we will have to sit on his place. Anyhow, with all these type of comments, the ground realities of our country will not change, but yes it will change if we make up our minds not to fall in querelling with each other but respect each other. Most of the people give examples of grand democracies of the world but they dont realize that what we are doing to create a democracy in our country. Moreover, they themselves are accusing our so called LEADERS to be the CULPRITS in the hands of same big democracies of the world. Please try to understand, even if it is the biggest democracy of the world, they like other nations to be their slaves, we have a very clear concept of governing in our religion which really means peace for all. Our part is to use our ELECTING POWER to the correct people and not just go blindly behind the people repeatedly prooven corrupts. Now when all is done, we must wait for another turn but with a changed mind of bringing a real change with correct decicions of VOTING POWER.
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| Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:55 am |
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NadirAlvi
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lolz now aour nation are happy because a carupt person is rulling us kisi ne sahi kaha hai hamari qaum danday ki qaum hai and mushrraf was the one jo sahi tha
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| Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:23 am |
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s0ul_mate1@yahoo.com
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Joined: 10 Aug 2008 Posts: 544 Location: khatmando |
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| Re: What Musharraf has done, surely he will be missed |
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Basic comparison of 1999 and 2007
Pakistan Economy in 1999 was: $ 75 billion
Pakistan Economy in 2007 is: $ 160 billion
GDP Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) in 1999: $ 270 billion
GDP Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) in 2007: $ 475.5 billion
GDP per Capita in 1999: $ 2,000
GDP per Capita in 2007: $ 3,004
Pak revenue collection 1999: Rs. 305 billion
Pak revenue collection 2007: Rs. 708 billion
Pak Foreign reserves in 1999: $ 700 million
Pak Foreign reserves in 2007: $ 17 billion
Pak Exports in 1999: $ 7.5 billion
Pak Exports in 2007: $ 18.5 billion
Textile Exports in 1999: $ 5.5 billion
Textile Exports in 2007: $ 11.2 billion
KHI stock exchange 1999: $ 5 billion at 700 points
KHI stock exchange 2007: $ 70 billion at 14,000 points
Foreign Direct Investment in 1999: $ 1 billion
Foreign Direct Investment in 2007: $ 8 billion
Debt servicing 1999: 65% of GDP
Debt servicing 2007: 26% of GDP
Poverty level in 1999: 34%
Poverty level in 2007: 24%
Literacy rate in 1999: 45%
Literacy rate in 2007: 53%
Pak Development programs 1999: Rs. 80 billion
Pak Development programs 2007: Rs. 520 billion
Under Musharrafs vision
9 world class Engineering universities being developed and 18 Public universities already developed.
Private sector institutions have increased from 36,096 (in 1999) to become 81,103 (in 2006).
PAK is 3rd best in world Banking profitability.
PAK IT industry now values around $2 billion, including $1 billion exports and employs around 90,000 professionals.
CNG sector has attracted over $7 billion investment in last 5 years; and created 45,000 jobs.
Telecom sector attracted around $10 billion in investment and created above 1.3 million jobs.
Industrial Parks are being setup throughout the country for the first time! M3 estate, Sunder industrial estate, Chakri, etc.
Major Mega projects like the Saindak, Rekodiq, Marble production, Coal production and Mining & Quarrying are being pursued.
In 2007, GDP growth is 6%. Earlier in 1999 was 3.5%.
Foreign Reserves from $1 bn to $17 bn.
KHI stock market: from 700 points to 13,000 points.
Literacy rate improved by 11%.
Poverty decreased by 10%.
He made 4 dams: Mirani, Subakzai, Gomalzam, Khurram Tangi dams.
6 Motorways completed or under construction: M1, M3, M8, M9, M10, M11.
Six major highways under construction.
GWADAR advance mega Sea port developed under his vision!
Historic 100% increase in Tax collection of $11 billion.
Large scale manufacturing is 30 year high, and Construction activity is 17 year high.
Newly found World class copper- gold deposits in Chagai will fetch $600 million per year.
A new Oil refinery with UAE will fetch $5 billion & will process 300,000 oil barrels a day.
Industrial sector registered 26% growth.
PAK in 1999 was a $75 billion economy; and now 2006 its $160 billion economy!
PAK economy is now the 3rd fastest growing economy after China & India.
Education under Musharraf Era
In 1999-2000 there were 31 Public Universities. Now 2005-2006 there are 49 Public Universities. Under Musharraf 20 NEW UNIVERSITIES SET UP!
Air University (established 2002)
Institute of Space technology, ISB (established 2002)
Sardar Bahadur Khan Women University, Quetta (established 2004)
University of Science & Technology, Bannu (established 2005)
University of Hazara (founded 2002)
Malakand university, Chakdara (established 2002)
Karakurum International university, Gilgit (established 2002)
University of Gujrat (established 2004)
Virtual University of Pak, Lahore (established 2002)
Sarhad University of IT, Peshawar (established 2001)
National Law University, ISB (2007)
Media University, ISB (2007) etc.
University of Education, Lahore (2002)
Lasbella University of Marine Sciences, Baluchistan (2005)
Baluchistan University of IT & Management, Quetta (2002), etc.
Pakistan now has a total of 245,682 Educational institutions in all categories, including 164,579 (i.e. 67 percent) in the Public sector and 81,103 (i.e. 100 percent) in the private sector, reports the National Education Census (NEC-2005). The census jointly conducted by the Ministry of Education, the Academy of Educational Planning and Management (AEPAM) and the Federal Bureau of Statistics (FBS) reveals that the number of private-sector institutions has increased from 36,096 in 1999-2000 to 81,103 in 2005, i.e. by 100 per cent.
Total 99,319 Educational Institutions (Public & Private) have increased in Musharraf Era! |
EY TAIR E LA HOTEY...US RIZQ SE MOAT ACHI,,
JIS RIZQ SE AATI HO,,PERWAZ MEIN KOTAHI......
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| Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:48 am |
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CoolMind
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| Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:20 pm |
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s0ul_mate1@yahoo.com
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He can only be missed by the "Enlightened Moderates" . |
jiyo..u r right
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| Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:25 pm |
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inayat khan qazi
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Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Posts: 1600 Location: 55743 idar-oberstein Germany |
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Thanx. Those people should miss him who have no conscience,who have no self respect,dignity or who have profitted by him or follow his own claimed version of Islam"Enlightened Moderation" not other than the "Deen E Elahi" of Akbar(Moghul king).If some one is foolish to believe that he was the better one because how can we declare someone good who is eequally responsible for Zardari to be a President through NRO to save his own tail.Even if we suppose he has done everything right than only his sin to stike deal of NRO is enough to hate him:
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| Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:16 pm |
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@nline
Senior Proud Pakistani


Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 1303
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Pakistan still need Mushraf .He is a true leader.Now Pakistan is in big trouble .Pakistan is in wrong hands
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Well, ask a question to yourself too that what Musharraf
done in his long 9 years period? Why you need him further?
Yes, no question that Pakistan is in wrong hand pr today
that a currept man "Zardari" who became as a president of
Pakistan. But during Musharraf`s period there was no success at
all in Pakistan because to support USA against war on terror.
Musharraf & Looter Chaoudhry Brothers damged a lot to Pakistan.
For me true leader is only Nawaz Sharif.
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| Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:43 pm |
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iqbal
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Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 6457 Location: K2 |
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Agar Zardari ne President banna thaa, toh iss se behtaar Musharraf thaa.
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to bhi mera bhae hi he... ziada se kam wala choor acha...
well Allah pakistan ko ghairo aor ghairo k galat iraado se bachayay. Aamin
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| Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:08 pm |
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erminhaj
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If you look behind for 10 years, you will see among our last three rulers, Musharraf rulling (on dictatorship for some) period was the best for the country.
In the first half of Musharraf rule, he did best for the country with the fact that his hand were not tight by our dirty politics. Its a total wrong perception that he did wrong for muslims, but infact he was bold enough to stop those, who were nothing but the people who misuse Deen and Allah's names for thier own desires.
His second half of the rule was combination of bad lucks, bad advises from his advisers which pushed him in corner. Basicall in his secnd half of the rule, his prime focus was to save his legitimacy to ramain in power and that forced him to take certain wrong advises, i.e. suspension of chief justise etc.
We need Mushraf or his type of person to come without having hand tight with dirty politics to fix things, which are wrong through 'Danda' as in this country, nothing can be solved in such a high mess, through dialogs or speaches.
We miss you Musharraf!
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| Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:37 am |
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monda420
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Joined: 12 Sep 2008 Posts: 2 Location: xxxxxx |
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he has been the strongest pakistani president we ever had that is mushraf did will for pakistan ? 
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| Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:13 pm |
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CoolMind
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Pakistan still need Mushraf .He is a true leader.Now Pakistan is in big trouble .Pakistan is in wrong hands
God bless Pakistan |
Bhai Maaf Karoo musharraf Ne Dr. Afia ko sold kia agar dobara agaya to kaheen apki bari na ajaeee...$ ki khatir wo kuch bhi kar sakta hai....
phir hume Amrici tanay deengay ""kay Pakistani to $ ki khatir apne mother ko bhi sold kar dete hain""
is leye panah mangooo Musharraf kay Azab se
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| Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:07 am |
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rustam
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Joined: 19 Feb 2008 Posts: 2
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he must be hanged now.
what he did in his 9year rule........................... right from kargil to lal musjid etc............
he must not be given safe passage........ |
Why should we hang Musharaf? It's already bad enough that we Musharaf has gone and now the PPP and PML-N are free to fight, but killing Musharaf would just be the confirmation the two political parties need to assure themselves they have full control of Pakistan; i.e. abuse as much as they want. Musharaf as the President would have been a good balancing force in the set-up, the political parties had to compete for power and popularity, and this would have been done on the merit of each decision made. Now unfortunately the PPP are free to bully other parties and do as they please.
I myself am a PPP supporter, and a great admirer of Bhutto Sahab's sacrifices for Pakistan, but the current party can not be trusted, if Zardari can sell out Makhdoom AMin Faheem, he can sell anyone for his own personal benefit!!
Musharaf will be missed, as a balancing force. Mark my words, PPP will abuse power more and more every day now!!
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| Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:14 am |
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FreeAkhbar.com
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I just love that slogan:
PAKISTAN HAMARI JAAN
SAB SAY PEHLAY PAKISTAN
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| Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:37 am |
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CoolMind
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kill Zardari Kill Musharraf
Geo Islam Geo PAkistan
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| Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:15 pm |
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@nline
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Agar Zardari ne President banna thaa, toh iss se behtaar Musharraf thaa.
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to bhi mera bhae hi he... ziada se kam wala choor acha...
well Allah pakistan ko ghairo aor ghairo k galat iraado se bachayay. Aamin |
Kam wala choor koi bhi nahi.
Sare ziadda wale hi hein!

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| Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:25 pm |
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@nline
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Pakistan still need Mushraf .He is a true leader.Now Pakistan is in big trouble .Pakistan is in wrong hands
God bless Pakistan |
Bhai Maaf Karoo musharraf Ne Dr. Afia ko sold kia agar dobara agaya to kaheen apki bari na ajaeee...$ ki khatir wo kuch bhi kar sakta hai....
phir hume Amrici tanay deengay ""kay Pakistani to $ ki khatir apne mother ko bhi sold kar dete hain""
is leye panah mangooo Musharraf kay Azab se |
Amriki to tanne denhi hi gay, jo halat iss waqaat Pakistan ke
hein. Kia kabbi kissi ne socha tha ke Zardari bhi eik President
bane gaa
Zardari ke to ware nyare ho ge hein, Benazir ke marne ke baad.
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| Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:28 pm |
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M Ashraf Siddiqui
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What a tragedy with this nation
Lets assume what figures are painted above in appraising MUSHARRAF if are correct
How much general public is relieved
Are you yourself feel safe on the roads
Where is all painted achievements - do you see any where in general public
Suicidal cases reached to its height during his tenure
What about MUSHARRAF own Pak Army - were they safe in their own homes from generals to a fauji
Is there any most black spot in Islamic history than Lal Masjid incident in Capital City of Islamic Republic of Pakistan by Army chief & head of state on innocent Quran reading children
Is there any example in human history selling of own nationals to foreign power - in our language such person is called BARDAFAROSH
Is there any example even in Rangeela ruling period where ministers in cabinet were like Law Minister, Information Minister, Railway Minister and tens of other jokers ministers, who appointed them ??
MR Musharraf was so "great" and with so great achievements - please ask him to come among general public oand live like his own predecessor President Rafiq Tarrar
His achievemnts are so great that whole country is under dark - go and check those million of families who are living in such hot weather with out light
His achievements are so great that majority of the country is having clean water to drink ?
In 1999 US$ = 45 Rs and when he left it was 62
If Nawaz Sharif Govt. Reserves were just 900 million dollars - dollar was 45 Rs, How it went so high on Rs. 62 where as Musharraf reserves were touching 15 billion dollars - instead helping Pak currency to be strong, he kept his currency too low and kept BUSH dollar stronger - Shame on such level of a kidnapper
What is leadership - to make whole nation ZANKHA and Darpok, buzdil - leader is who keep moral and integrity of the nation in any sad situation
I can write books and books on his "ACHIEVEMENTS" - just study how many thousand Pak top officials, soldiers are killed in the hands of own nationals including generals
Just wait a few days more to listen stories of this drunken general - people will forget disgraced General YAHYA KHAN
I will ask you to provide comparison of necessities of life in October 1999 and the day Musharraf left. You will refuse to give that figure because you can not tollerate also
Take any item from Tandoor bread, milk, daal, meat, chicken, any vegetable - take any thing
Look at the living condition of general public and see where we as nation we stand in economy, security and integrity - all taken away by disgraced and black spotted MUSHARRAF
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| Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:16 pm |
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M Ashraf Siddiqui
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Musharraf Period Achievements
He was a serving general when he took power and thousands of his own Fauji killed on the roads of Rawalpindi, Karachi and other parts of Pakistan invluding generals
People being killed in Karachi on the roads and President Musharraf announced in public meetins same time that it was a show of power - NO investigation required
A person who kidnap a person and sell is known as BARDAFAROSH - Musharraf wrote in his book as sitting president that he sold Pakistanis to Americans and got money
He wrote an extra-ordinary chapter in History of World justice - sacked 60 judges of the country and signed as Army Chief not even as President of the country
He wrote so many new chapters - kept house arrested during all his tenure the top scientist of Pakistan Abdul Qadeer Khan, Lesson gven No other scientist or researchers should dare to serve Pakistan
In 1999 - Reserves were around US$ 900 and US$ = PRs. 45, Mr Musharraf had in books US$ 15 billion and US$ = 62 Rs - what a joke with nation
Musharraf added another blackest chapter in Islamic history. President of Pakistan and General of Islamic Republic of Pakistan used explosives to burn thousands of innocent and young children to ashes in Lal Masjid in Capital Islamabad. Demolished all buildings and re-built new white building of Masjid to remove all witnesses
Mr Musharraf's another chapter helping cruel and barbaric enemy power to enter and capture neighboring Islamic small state of Afghanistan. Now 8th year is started, USA could not capture Afghanistan and brave with integrity Muslims are standing against both US forces and Musharraf forces.
President and General made Pakistani nation Buzdil, Coward and taken all signs of integrity as a nation. Leader is who never let down his nation and bargain on nation's integrity and interests.
No One knows how many Dr Afias and her infant children are sold to enemies by this "great" soldier, general of our friends. How much money he made ?
Availability of electricity, water, wheat, dal, sabzi, meat - any basic necessities of life gone from market - this is economic achievements
Hundreds of thousands of enemy soldiers are being provided since last 8 years all neceasary basic needs of life in Afghanistan on discounted prices and own nation is paying price from our own pockets
One can write books and books on Musharraf " achievements " - un-ending
Just wait people will forget General Yahya Khan, let some one write Musharraf stories of the nights
Let this achiever come in general public and live like his predecessor former President Rafiq Tarrar - Can he dare to ???
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| Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:02 pm |
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abdullah bhatti
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i m so happy that now he iz nt our president
its tym to wake up doo somthing
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| Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:22 pm |
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junoon25pk
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he has done wonderful work for pakistan after ayub khan but closing his eyes on corruption and more than required coorporation with usa made him a contervertial figure
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| Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:01 am |
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xciteus
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Very interesting read here.
Every leader makes mistakes. I don't think any leader in the history of this world that would have gone through his mandate period without committing to unpopular decisions.
What many of us overseas Pakistani's sees is the infrastructure and media change that was brought on by Musharraf.
RAKhan figures might not be all true but they look far better then anything others have tried to provide here.
Coolminds wallpaper almost wishing for Musharraf to be sunk to the lowest level of society reflects how eager we are to throw away all the good deeds done by someone who did not bring great wealth or prosperity to us directly.
And above all some of the remark earlier praising leaders like Bhutto or Nawaz shows exactly our short term memory and mentality towards corruption.
I for one do not have the who knowledge or the total truth. But for what I have researched and seen on my last 7 visits in this decade to Pakistan..... is that Pakistan have never looked better in many ways then one.
you want to end the corruption and bad mentality.. well then ask your parents, adults and neighbours, relatives why they choose corrupt leaders in this past election.
It is not they..... it is US and OUR neighbours and OUR families who have brought this corrupt goverment back instead of waiting and trusting the judgements and decisions made by Musharraf. As said earlier some of the decisions would have been less popular or even close to being incorrect but atleast he had the guts to take them and stand by them..
Thanks Musharraf for the only consecutive good 9 years of Pakistan history.
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| Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:13 am |
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tufail_74
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i totally agree with exciteus.
u know ppl like coolmind & some other seems to be just sitting in pakistan and writing here after being heavily influenced by media.
they simply seem to be jamat-e-islami ppl nothing more than that.
if the just come out of pakistan for one day and see wht is happening outside, they will think the other way insha Allah.
even they will not reply to any fact but they always point out lal mosjid. i do say that was fail operation but while criticizing musharraf they forget the 90's era and for their kind info the same era is coming back from their democratic parties PPP & PML-N.
they are very simple ppl, first they elect wrong persons then believe in these wrong persons. and assume all wrong is inherited.
now can u tell me a single strong decision by govt since it came in power for the people.
even u will not know who to blame for any particular. at least, in musharraf era, u had names to blame.
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