No one is indespenceable.No one will miss him as a good ruller because even if we forget his other mistakes & for a while assume that he was not corrupt,still his joining hands with the corrupt ones,pardoning & forgiven them the billions of this kept poor nation, declare him a corrupt & equal culprit of their crimes.I mean to say NRO if him Pakistan come first,why did he compromise & who is he to let them go away with billions of this nation,after all it was not his earned wealth.Any one compromise with Chors,Thuggs,corrupts etc for his own interests & saving is chair cannot be a good one to remember.Atleast B4 resigning he could have cancelled the NRO to know the reality of the rest of these Chors.Or when he was permitting them to comeback with the condition to return back the looted & plundered wealth.
Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:55 pm
tufail_74 Full PK Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 132 Location: Saudi Arabia
only the time tell about the quality of decisions.
as far as jubilation of many people, i should remind many of our members that these very people were also jubilant when musharraf came. so this jubilation is nothing more than a child's thinking.
now the govt is still on the same position as was 4 months before as they hav coalition which is 100% against nature. nawaz is just looking for future and punjab govt and zardari has worries of the centre.
none of them hav thinking for pakistan and the nation.
i am saving this post and will show these very people who r showing hatred against musharraf when after few months they will do nothing but cry for help and will say MUSHARRAF EE CHANGA SEEEE.
in the media there is propaganda that nobody is worried or sad on his resignation. just see here how many ppl r showing their feelings. now the whole electronic media is behind nawaz but i wish this nawaz to come in power so that this very media will tear him pieces. he is the one who attacked SC in 1996 but becoming very chooocha and trying to show that he is the savior of judiciary.
his own so-called gr8 ministers are not working as ministers but enjoying full rights. just for example, tahmina doltana and ehsan iqbal were live criticised for the lodges and cars they r using which r for ministers but they had no reply.
so nawaz is leader of these looters...means a leader looter
Musharraf has resigned, it is still debateable whether his presence in power was beneficial for Pakistanis or not but under the present circumstances, it was quite a wise decision on his part to resign, I think it has avoided Pakistani people to face a big crisis. Although none of good expectations can be made from the present government, but we should be patient and let them run the matters as they are doing, be VIGILANT- OBSERVERS and bring a peaceful change in the next elections. It will be miracle to find 100% honest, but we must not loose faith in GODīs mercy.
Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:31 pm
terraX Full PK Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2008 Posts: 103
shimon peres misses mushy but now he has found another hardcore ally in "Kiani" .. and he spends most of his time praying for him..
Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:42 pm
ugwaraich Senior Proud Pakistani
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 1475
tufail_74 wrote:
only the time tell about the quality of decisions.
as far as jubilation of many people, i should remind many of our members that these very people were also jubilant when musharraf came. so this jubilation is nothing more than a child's thinking.
now the govt is still on the same position as was 4 months before as they hav coalition which is 100% against nature. nawaz is just looking for future and punjab govt and zardari has worries of the centre.
none of them hav thinking for pakistan and the nation.
i am saving this post and will show these very people who r showing hatred against musharraf when after few months they will do nothing but cry for help and will say MUSHARRAF EE CHANGA SEEEE.
in the media there is propaganda that nobody is worried or sad on his resignation. just see here how many ppl r showing their feelings. now the whole electronic media is behind nawaz but i wish this nawaz to come in power so that this very media will tear him pieces. he is the one who attacked SC in 1996 but becoming very chooocha and trying to show that he is the savior of judiciary.
his own so-called gr8 ministers are not working as ministers but enjoying full rights. just for example, tahmina doltana and ehsan iqbal were live criticised for the lodges and cars they r using which r for ministers but they had no reply.
so nawaz is leader of these looters...means a leader looter
yeah you choose the Killer(musharraf) and we will go for a Looter(zardari & nawaz), afterall a Looter slains your life but a Killer and Murderer doesnt!
Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:59 pm
iamshahid Pak Newbie
Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 1 Location: Kuwait
Musharraf We Will Miss You
Love You Budy
_________________ Shahid
Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:40 pm
tufail_74 Full PK Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 132 Location: Saudi Arabia
this is just an influence of propaganda on u. otherwise we all know what was happening in lal masjid at that time in the name of islam and wht is happening now in fata.
just one example of yesterday when there was bomb blast in hospital in DI Khan.
and for your kind info talibal leader has accepted the bombing. what a shame, in the name of islam they are killin their brothers.
if they want jehad go once in afghanistan and fight against US but as they r funded by india & some other countries they will target pakistan only.
these the people u r talking abt. they r killers and islam simply demands killing of a killer like these.
not a single fatwa by a recognised islamic scholar say they r on the right path so if anyone kills them how can he do wrong.
of course, there has been some mistakes by musharraf govt. but time will prove that whatever he did in best possible intention for pakistan these looter can never do 1% of that for the motherland
Joined: 04 Mar 2008 Posts: 177 Location: Thailand, Lahore
tufail_74 wrote:
only the time tell about the quality of decisions.
as far as jubilation of many people, i should remind many of our members that these very people were also jubilant when musharraf came. so this jubilation is nothing more than a child's thinking.
now the govt is still on the same position as was 4 months before as they hav coalition which is 100% against nature. nawaz is just looking for future and punjab govt and zardari has worries of the centre.
none of them hav thinking for pakistan and the nation.
i am saving this post and will show these very people who r showing hatred against musharraf when after few months they will do nothing but cry for help and will say MUSHARRAF EE CHANGA SEEEE.
in the media there is propaganda that nobody is worried or sad on his resignation. just see here how many ppl r showing their feelings. now the whole electronic media is behind nawaz but i wish this nawaz to come in power so that this very media will tear him pieces. he is the one who attacked SC in 1996 but becoming very chooocha and trying to show that he is the savior of judiciary.
his own so-called gr8 ministers are not working as ministers but enjoying full rights. just for example, tahmina doltana and ehsan iqbal were live criticised for the lodges and cars they r using which r for ministers but they had no reply.
so nawaz is leader of these looters...means a leader looter
Tell me Bro.! Who provided the way and issued NRO for the looters (Nawaz and Zardari) to come to Pakistan and cancelled all the money looting cases against them ???
It was Musharraf !!
_________________
The Highest Degree Of Wisdom is Self-Cognition .. Hazrat Ali (A.S.)
Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:14 pm
ugwaraich Senior Proud Pakistani
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 1475
syed12ka5 wrote:
tufail_74 wrote:
only the time tell about the quality of decisions.
as far as jubilation of many people, i should remind many of our members that these very people were also jubilant when musharraf came. so this jubilation is nothing more than a child's thinking.
now the govt is still on the same position as was 4 months before as they hav coalition which is 100% against nature. nawaz is just looking for future and punjab govt and zardari has worries of the centre.
none of them hav thinking for pakistan and the nation.
i am saving this post and will show these very people who r showing hatred against musharraf when after few months they will do nothing but cry for help and will say MUSHARRAF EE CHANGA SEEEE.
in the media there is propaganda that nobody is worried or sad on his resignation. just see here how many ppl r showing their feelings. now the whole electronic media is behind nawaz but i wish this nawaz to come in power so that this very media will tear him pieces. he is the one who attacked SC in 1996 but becoming very chooocha and trying to show that he is the savior of judiciary.
his own so-called gr8 ministers are not working as ministers but enjoying full rights. just for example, tahmina doltana and ehsan iqbal were live criticised for the lodges and cars they r using which r for ministers but they had no reply.
so nawaz is leader of these looters...means a leader looter
Tell me Bro.! Who provided the way and issued NRO for the looters (Nawaz and Zardari) to come to Pakistan and cancelled all the money looting cases against them ???
It was Musharraf !!
Let me correct you that NRO is only and only for zardari not for nawaz sharif; nawaz sharif's cases were heard recently in the courts in lahore and I think he is still being prosecuted.
Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:16 pm
ugwaraich Senior Proud Pakistani
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 1475
tufail_74 wrote:
this is just an influence of propaganda on u. otherwise we all know what was happening in lal masjid at that time in the name of islam and wht is happening now in fata.
just one example of yesterday when there was bomb blast in hospital in DI Khan.
and for your kind info talibal leader has accepted the bombing. what a shame, in the name of islam they are killin their brothers.
if they want jehad go once in afghanistan and fight against US but as they r funded by india & some other countries they will target pakistan only.
these the people u r talking abt. they r killers and islam simply demands killing of a killer like these.
not a single fatwa by a recognised islamic scholar say they r on the right path so if anyone kills them how can he do wrong.
of course, there has been some mistakes by musharraf govt. but time will prove that whatever he did in best possible intention for pakistan these looter can never do 1% of that for the motherland
oh man there is some serious problem with your understanding or probably you have not been following the news properly.
There is a huge huge difference between the Lal Masjid case and Taliban, Lal masjid was not supported by any of the talibans if that was the case there would have been atleast 10 suicide bombings during the operation of the lal masjid; there was no support from taliban to Lal masjid or Lal masjid to taliban before the operation started, but as soon as the operation finished you saw taliban doing suicide bombing in all areas of Pakistan and after that operation lal masjid automatically won the sympathies of taliban and taliban found an excuse to bomb Pakistan; but after martyring the innocent kids and scholars in Lal masjid whose demands were to :
1) Close the brothels in the city of Islamabad
2) Rebuild the masjid which was demolished by Govt. Authorities
thats where everything started. These were the simple demands of Lal masjid scholar Moulana Ghazi (Shaheed). Why govt. didnt say yes to these offers? and why even LOCAL SPS of police stations were not taking any charge of the brothels in their streets? (Prostitution is illegal in Pakistan) and they were not stopping this illegal act.
Just answer me a single question:
Tell me how many people the Lal Masjid's students killed before the start of the operation?
I think there is not even a single person who was killed by lal masjid people before the operation, so you cannot call them killers; the people they kidnapped including some policemen and those brothel prostitutes they were treated very well by them while in detention they were actually asking them to do the right thing and slain this disgusting act of protitution and they didnt even beat those protitutes; they just kidnapped them, provided them meal and tell them some good stuff; and released them, killing was started by our own army on our own people and they had to reply back to save their lives so they did the right thing! This matter could have been dealt peacefully with more and more negotiations, but it was stopped right when it got a break through, musharraf because of his stubborness and because of american pressure executed this operation, trust me no president of a country would allow their own army to kill their own people when they havent killed any? Yes I agree that they had weapons inside the masjid and if some people think that where did they get those weapons from then dont you know that ever house in Pakistan has a gun? they do and its very easy to buy weapons in Pakistan just go to the peshawar barha and you can buy any tpe of weapon there! So I still believe that because musharraf was in power and if he was sensible he could have easily resolved this issue without spilling a drop of blood. If you were following the news and following what Moulana Taqi Usmani and Moulana Rafi Usmani said about the talks between Moulana Ghazi and Usmani brothers you will know that they had agreed to some main points and after that it was just the matter of musharraf signing that piece of paper with agreed terms on both sides, but musharraf said no to those terms even though he accepted most of those terms before and something happened to musharraf (I am sure it was an american call) and he said NO and started the operation! I have done a detailed study on this issue and thats what I found that musharraf was the person in power and he could have resolved it peacefully!!!
Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:56 pm
hwasti Full PK Member
Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 407 Location: JEDDAH
Musharraf was the worst president of Pakistan , and I totally dissapoint from Zardari wen he says to give Mushharaf safe exit, He was cruel , tried to kill poor man from high prices . He should hange now
Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:02 am
mcuk2001 Pak Newbie
Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 3
Musharraf
we miss you Musharraf
Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:53 am
CoolMind Full PK Member
Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Posts: 222
Mere Aziz Ham watnoon:
Agar apkay pas ya apkay janne waloon me koi job hoto mujhe plzzz zaroor batayee ga.
Apka Bhai
Pervez Musharraf
Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:03 am
kamranonline Junior PK Member
Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Posts: 89 Location: Edmonton, Canada
[quote="ugwaraich"]
tufail_74 wrote:
Lal masjid whose demands were to :
1) Close the brothels in the city of Islamabad
2) Rebuild the masjid which was demolished by Govt. Authorities
thats where everything started. These were the simple demands of Lal masjid scholar Moulana Ghazi (Shaheed). Why govt. didnt say yes to these offers? and why even LOCAL SPS of police stations were not taking any charge of the brothels in their streets? (Prostitution is illegal in Pakistan) and they were not stopping this illegal act.
Just answer me a single question:
Tell me how many people the Lal Masjid's students killed before the start of the operation?
I think there is not even a single person who was killed by lal masjid people before the operation, so you cannot call them killers; the people they kidnapped including some policemen and those brothel prostitutes they were treated very well by them while in detention they were actually asking them to do the right thing and slain this disgusting act of protitution and they didnt even beat those protitutes; they just kidnapped them, provided them meal and tell them some good stuff; and released them, killing was started by our own army on our own people and they had to reply back to save their lives so they did the right thing! This matter could have been dealt peacefully with more and more negotiations, but it was stopped right when it got a break through, musharraf because of his stubborness and because of american pressure executed this operation, trust me no president of a country would allow their own army to kill their own people when they havent killed any? Yes I agree that they had weapons inside the masjid and if some people think that where did they get those weapons from then dont you know that ever house in Pakistan has a gun? they do and its very easy to buy weapons in Pakistan just go to the peshawar barha and you can buy any tpe of weapon there! So I still believe that because musharraf was in power and if he was sensible he could have easily resolved this issue without spilling a drop of blood. If you were following the news and following what Moulana Taqi Usmani and Moulana Rafi Usmani said about the talks between Moulana Ghazi and Usmani brothers you will know that they had agreed to some main points and after that it was just the matter of musharraf signing that piece of paper with agreed terms on both sides, but musharraf said no to those terms even though he accepted most of those terms before and something happened to musharraf (I am sure it was an american call) and he said NO and started the operation! I have done a detailed study on this issue and thats what I found that musharraf was the person in power and he could have resolved it peacefully!!!
Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:12 pm
ugwaraich Senior Proud Pakistani
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 1475
[quote="kamranonline"]
ugwaraich wrote:
tufail_74 wrote:
Lal masjid whose demands were to :
1) Close the brothels in the city of Islamabad
2) Rebuild the masjid which was demolished by Govt. Authorities
thats where everything started. These were the simple demands of Lal masjid scholar Moulana Ghazi (Shaheed). Why govt. didnt say yes to these offers? and why even LOCAL SPS of police stations were not taking any charge of the brothels in their streets? (Prostitution is illegal in Pakistan) and they were not stopping this illegal act.
Just answer me a single question:
Tell me how many people the Lal Masjid's students killed before the start of the operation?
I think there is not even a single person who was killed by lal masjid people before the operation, so you cannot call them killers; the people they kidnapped including some policemen and those brothel prostitutes they were treated very well by them while in detention they were actually asking them to do the right thing and slain this disgusting act of protitution and they didnt even beat those protitutes; they just kidnapped them, provided them meal and tell them some good stuff; and released them, killing was started by our own army on our own people and they had to reply back to save their lives so they did the right thing! This matter could have been dealt peacefully with more and more negotiations, but it was stopped right when it got a break through, musharraf because of his stubborness and because of american pressure executed this operation, trust me no president of a country would allow their own army to kill their own people when they havent killed any? Yes I agree that they had weapons inside the masjid and if some people think that where did they get those weapons from then dont you know that ever house in Pakistan has a gun? they do and its very easy to buy weapons in Pakistan just go to the peshawar barha and you can buy any tpe of weapon there! So I still believe that because musharraf was in power and if he was sensible he could have easily resolved this issue without spilling a drop of blood. If you were following the news and following what Moulana Taqi Usmani and Moulana Rafi Usmani said about the talks between Moulana Ghazi and Usmani brothers you will know that they had agreed to some main points and after that it was just the matter of musharraf signing that piece of paper with agreed terms on both sides, but musharraf said no to those terms even though he accepted most of those terms before and something happened to musharraf (I am sure it was an american call) and he said NO and started the operation! I have done a detailed study on this issue and thats what I found that musharraf was the person in power and he could have resolved it peacefully!!!
That is a very funny way to respond, I think you should read my question in bold letters and answer me appropriately; I did not read any news in Pakistani channels/papers or any foreign papers/ news channels that Lal Masjid'd students started KILLING innocent people. They only started the firing after when our army raided over that masjid.
Secondly, "Khisyani billi khamba nochay" the video is prepared by a news channel called NBC and the program is a part of that channel. Of course your source of information is such unreliable and raw media which is what everyone can see is completely biased and is an absolute propaganda against muslims. Its like a person finds an evidence for his friend from a third person who is the enemy of both; I am tempted to ask your age mate! I think even 10 years old boy knows what propaganda western media is doing and how much exaggeratiion they put in the news and reports! if you trust western media on that tou tumhara ALLAH hee hafiz hay/
You should have come up with a news in which some local media or some reliable media like aljazeera reports death of someone by lal masjid students before the operation started.
Thirdly, whether that prostitute was dragged in ropes I dont know, but even if she was dragged in ropes I think this shows their nice behaviour with that prostitute; cuz if I was in their place I would have dragged her from her hair and burn her! and if you think that prostitution is a rightful act, I think I should stop talking and just pray for you and the people around you.
Fourthly you see that prostitute giving interviews and she is still alive but the dead(shaheed) are those who were pure by heart and intentions; so again:
Tell me how many people the Lal Masjid's students killed before the start of the operation?
The most annoying thing to me is that people just dont give a thought to what I write, they dont have brain to think to what I ask and they just find a stupid thing and send it; thats not the way to reply. come up with logical and valid reasons answering my questions!
Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:50 pm
Muhammad Nasir Pak Newbie
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 1 Location: Manchester
Musharraf will be missed
It's a shame the USA intervened to let Benazir and Nawaz Sharif ( )into the country. Musharraf was doing a fine job, yes we all want everything to be perfect (you tell me are you perfect and always make the right decisions????), but life isn't like that, so Musharraf made the most of a bad situation, from the terrible state these so called Democratic Governments left Pakistan in. e.g Nawaz Sharif, Benazir Bhutto (who lives off her fathers name anyway!! and now we have her son who has never lived in Pakistan chairman of the part ).
On the whole he has brought Pakistan forward and more people know Pakistan than they did 8 years ago. I have found it has developed tremendously over the past 8 years Musharaf has been in power.
When I have visited pakistan previously to this there were no great developments just loot maar all the time, they were all there in government to get what ever they could out of the country.
Imran Khan's ideals are good but unfortunately is not politically ready, especially after leading a playboy lifestyle himself. He should stick to cricket what he knows best.
We need a strong leader like Musharaf but also more internationally aware politicians, like Mustafa Kamal, who has lived abroad and is bringing his knowledge and experience back to the country. He has brought Karachi so forward it's great.
Maybe more British/American Pakistani's need to return home and create a more international level of politicians into parliament.
I hope our country can get through this terrible haadsa of Musharaf resigning!!
Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:00 pm
fairy552 Senior Proud Pakistani
Joined: 05 Jun 2008 Posts: 1102
[quote="ugwaraich"]
kamranonline wrote:
ugwaraich wrote:
tufail_74 wrote:
Lal masjid whose demands were to :
1) Close the brothels in the city of Islamabad
2) Rebuild the masjid which was demolished by Govt. Authorities
thats where everything started. These were the simple demands of Lal masjid scholar Moulana Ghazi (Shaheed). Why govt. didnt say yes to these offers? and why even LOCAL SPS of police stations were not taking any charge of the brothels in their streets? (Prostitution is illegal in Pakistan) and they were not stopping this illegal act.
Just answer me a single question:
Tell me how many people the Lal Masjid's students killed before the start of the operation?
I think there is not even a single person who was killed by lal masjid people before the operation, so you cannot call them killers; the people they kidnapped including some policemen and those brothel prostitutes they were treated very well by them while in detention they were actually asking them to do the right thing and slain this disgusting act of protitution and they didnt even beat those protitutes; they just kidnapped them, provided them meal and tell them some good stuff; and released them, killing was started by our own army on our own people and they had to reply back to save their lives so they did the right thing! This matter could have been dealt peacefully with more and more negotiations, but it was stopped right when it got a break through, musharraf because of his stubborness and because of american pressure executed this operation, trust me no president of a country would allow their own army to kill their own people when they havent killed any? Yes I agree that they had weapons inside the masjid and if some people think that where did they get those weapons from then dont you know that ever house in Pakistan has a gun? they do and its very easy to buy weapons in Pakistan just go to the peshawar barha and you can buy any tpe of weapon there! So I still believe that because musharraf was in power and if he was sensible he could have easily resolved this issue without spilling a drop of blood. If you were following the news and following what Moulana Taqi Usmani and Moulana Rafi Usmani said about the talks between Moulana Ghazi and Usmani brothers you will know that they had agreed to some main points and after that it was just the matter of musharraf signing that piece of paper with agreed terms on both sides, but musharraf said no to those terms even though he accepted most of those terms before and something happened to musharraf (I am sure it was an american call) and he said NO and started the operation! I have done a detailed study on this issue and thats what I found that musharraf was the person in power and he could have resolved it peacefully!!!
That is a very funny way to respond, I think you should read my question in bold letters and answer me appropriately; I did not read any news in Pakistani channels/papers or any foreign papers/ news channels that Lal Masjid'd students started KILLING innocent people. They only started the firing after when our army raided over that masjid.
Secondly, "Khisyani billi khamba nochay" the video is prepared by a news channel called NBC and the program is a part of that channel. Of course your source of information is such unreliable and raw media which is what everyone can see is completely biased and is an absolute propaganda against muslims. Its like a person finds an evidence for his friend from a third person who is the enemy of both; I am tempted to ask your age mate! I think even 10 years old boy knows what propaganda western media is doing and how much exaggeratiion they put in the news and reports! if you trust western media on that tou tumhara ALLAH hee hafiz hay/
You should have come up with a news in which some local media or some reliable media like aljazeera reports death of someone by lal masjid students before the operation started.
Thirdly, whether that prostitute was dragged in ropes I dont know, but even if she was dragged in ropes I think this shows their nice behaviour with that prostitute; cuz if I was in their place I would have dragged her from her hair and burn her! and if you think that prostitution is a rightful act, I think I should stop talking and just pray for you and the people around you.
Fourthly you see that prostitute giving interviews and she is still alive but the dead(shaheed) are those who were pure by heart and intentions; so again:
Tell me how many people the Lal Masjid's students killed before the start of the operation?
The most annoying thing to me is that people just dont give a thought to what I write, they dont have brain to think to what I ask and they just find a stupid thing and send it; thats not the way to reply. come up with logical and valid reasons answering my questions!
really
Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:41 pm
mtbutt Pak Newbie
Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Posts: 47
mush
Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:58 am
kasana05 Pak Newbie
Joined: 11 Aug 2008 Posts: 3
Lage rahooooo sare k sareeeeeeeee
Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:51 am
tufail_74 Full PK Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 132 Location: Saudi Arabia
dear nasir people like ugwaraich just forget everything as they are under heavy propaganda by some molvis not scholars. now what lal masjid was doing was totally denied by all recognised scholars in pakistan.
lal masjid was trying to make their own khilafat like thing.
they were saying that whatever they think is islam and everyone has to follow only that.
i ask ugwaraich, if he is surrounded by the opposite sect ( shia or sunny ) and they force him to follow whatever they say whether he does not like this. will he follow it.
in islam The Holy Prophet ( SAW) clearly mentioned way to bring changes in the system. Lal masjid was doin totally against it.
Lal masjid never came in media and show the evidence and start a campaign against the evil things happening.
they started to use their force.
we dont say that all was happening right but the way they tried to stop was totally wrong. if ugwaraich think that he is in pakistan and he should follow the rules of pakistan then he should state what he thinks about the methods used by molvi a.rashid.
i think ugwaraich and all others of the same thinking should remember that Huzoor (SAW) told us to abide by the law of the land. He has showed us the way to live even with the Hudaibiah Pact. He has given us all possibilities to find a way out in positive way.
Making a state within a state is 100% against the teachings of Huzoor (SAW) this is what molvi a.rashid was doing.
yes technically Lal masjid was almost fail operation as nothing came out of it but this does not mean Lal masjid was 100% on islamic way.
i challenge ugwaraich to bring a single statement by any renowned islamic schoar in pakistan showing that the way of Lal masjid was islamic way. this should be from qzi hussain ahmad as he is political molvi. i need a renowned one who is respected by all.
if ugwaraich remembers or have seen molvi a.rashid's tv interviews, he was giving new statement whenever he was coming on tv as the people in masjid was not wlling him to end the matter in a peacefull way.the people inside actually degraced the masjid and let others to come into for operation..
if they were muslim and they had respect for islam and masjid they should have given up just for masjid but they never did as they have non-islamic goals.
if ugwaraich still thinks that whatever is happening is pakistan is coz of musharraf, he should read article by Hamid Mir in today's jang about the bombing in POF yesterday.
Hamid mir is one the ppl who spent their whole time in proving that musharraf is cause of everything. but today he would have felt ashamed while writing this article.
I totally agree with RA Khan. Take a good look on the faces of these crooked politician sitting in the parliment. You can see the worst cunning eyes and faces in the world. They are the un touchables of Pakistan. Pakistani people are the slaves of these fuedel lords. Fuedel system should be abolished to maintain Good governess in Pakistan
Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:37 am
salah13 Pak Newbie
Joined: 08 Jul 2007 Posts: 6 Location: pakistan
Disproportionat Critcism against Musharaf
I find it extremely sad to hear and read such intense criticism against musharaf.
I think we are flowing in our emotions rather then reading the facts. Many criticise His Post 9/11 decisions, but what would have the polititions do had they been in his place at that time? lets read some facts about Musharaf role in the war against Terror:
Ahmad Rashid is Renowned Author of many books especially on Taliban. His first book" TALIBAN" (the best seller in America and Europ) and the Nxt book 'Decsent into Chaos" state some of the remarkable facts about Musharaf's role in the war against Terror. He writes " But the assurances turned out to be less then promissed, and though Mr. Musharaf forged a personal Bond with President Bush, the pakistani General proved to be tough, frustrating customer for the US". In another Chapter he writes " Musharaf continued to provide cover to Taliban, but still managed to convince the American for many years that it was not a double game. It was a remarkable feat of Balancing on atight rope"
Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:35 pm
salah13 Pak Newbie
Joined: 08 Jul 2007 Posts: 6 Location: pakistan
Disproportionat Critcism against Musharaf
I find it extremely sad to hear and read such intense criticism against musharaf.
I think we are flowing in our emotions rather then reading the facts. Many criticise His Post 9/11 decisions, but what would have the polititions do had they been in his place at that time? lets read some facts about Musharaf role in the war against Terror:
Ahmad Rashid is Renowned Author of many books especially on Taliban. His first book" TALIBAN" (the best seller in America and Europ) and the Nxt book 'Decsent into Chaos" state some of the remarkable facts about Musharaf's role in the war against Terror. He writes " But the assurances turned out to be less then promissed, and though Mr. Musharaf forged a personal Bond with President Bush, the pakistani General proved to be tough, frustrating customer for the US". In another Chapter he writes " Musharaf continued to provide cover to Taliban, but still managed to convince the American for many years that it was not a double game. It was a remarkable feat of Balancing on atight rope"