Main reason of poverty in pakistan

DIscuss the main reasons
why pakistan is surfing from poverty

In my opinion
the main reason is the price of oil

what do u say?

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M@CC KH0W@j@

Last edited by malikkhowaja on Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:10 pm; edited 9 times in total

after atempting the poll

give ur own opinion

how to solve this problem

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M@CC KH0W@j@

No its not the Oil prices....
Its our Army and Politicials...who have never for once tried to run the affairs of the country with honesty...most fo the funds end up the their foreign accounts....So, my friend if you say the high priced oil in the reason of poverty in Pakistan, than I ask you how come an agricultural country is facing food shortage...where as we are self-sufficient in that....My dear friends, any intellectual can tell you who to blame how to solve the problems in our country and the most important is how to eliminate poverty from the root....We should follow the ways of Maither Mohamed the former President of Malaysia...

May Allah help us.... and make us get rid of these culprits....

yeah i agree with you in some way
thnkz for ur opinion...

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M@CC KH0W@j@

It really hurts me when i see all these ghareeb people in Pakistan. The new government should really do something about them. THey should also do something about the electricity, food prices and oil prices.

The answer is simple. None of these. These are just the excuses.

The only answer is that when the rich one would start thinking about the poor, poverty would end.
When the poor would realise to work harder.
When the rich would stop getting all benefits just for himself
when the poor would start learning and using the brain
when the rich and the poor both would try to eliminate bribe
when the rich and the poor both would try to find reasons of poverty not in mosques but in finding out what they are doing wrong
when every one would try to enforce the golden principles of Islam viz.......cleanliness, straightforwardness, honesty, kindness, etc .
when every one would realise that islam does not mean filling the mosques and enforcing dress codes, etc.
Islam means moral values.
Otherwise the more you fill the mosques.........without cleaning your heart, and without caring for moral values
UNKI NAMAZEIN UNKEY MOON PER MAR DI JAYEINGI

these are the reasons of poverty.............you like it or not

I appreciate ur opinion
thanks for the post

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M@CC KH0W@j@

fuedal system and currupt polititions and beaurocrats.
not to mention, taa'leem ki kami. meaning jahalat.

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"You are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE"... Jinnah, Aug 11th 1947.

why pakistan is surfing

In pakistan most people are not sincere it is one of the reason of poverty.

I don't believe that mosque going people are cause of poverty in Pakistan in any sense. Can you prove that more than 5% people (all the sects) are observing 5 times prayer in mosque? And the most important is, among praying people 90% are very poor people. Our mosques in Pakistan are mostly empty at prayer times.

Still if some body thinks that we are filling the mosque means that no body should go to mosque!!!!!

We should talk about Education.

We should talk about Feudalism.

We should talk about greedy and corrupt politicians.

We should talk about uneven distribution of wealth.

We should talk about taxes on poor people and relief to Wealthy people.

We should talk about, if a poor person take loan of 50,000 he has to pay 75,000 to 100,000 but billionaire take billions and Write off.

We should talk about a peon taking salary of 5000 Rupees is paying 2000 Rupees for electricity only but our ministers, president and bureaucrats are living in totally government paid luxury residences.

How can you reduce the difference when our system is helping Wealthy people by squeezing money from poor people?

Our population is 17 crore. Suppose one cror are in rich class (the exploiters), Five crors are middle class, one crore very poor who are starving (cannot get any thing from them) and remaining 10 crore are the exploited poor. Consider you take one rupee per day from them by exploitation. It means we can get 36.5 Arab rupees per annum. By the way we are not snatching only one rupee per day.

In present situation who is addressing corruption in all the government departments? Most important departments are most corrupt.

Poor people if become ill, only can go to Government hospitals just to say that they did not allowed to dye their beloved one without medicine. There is no care in these hospitals. Private hospitals are out of reach. They make money by un necessary operations and un necessary tests. They charge 50 Rupees just to put a thermometer under the tongue by a nurse.

Dress Code

Do you think that by sending our sisters and daughters in underwear and brassier on the road will alleviate poverty? Are we not in this way want to exploit poor people? Are we not inviting them to sell their ladies to fill the stomach of their children? What dress code has to do with our economy and corruption?

The people who are calling people to follow Islam are doing their job. How many people are following them. At lest their sound is there for the people who want to listen it. Let them do their job. We should concentrate on what we should do.

May Allah help us.

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Allahoakbar

The biggest reason is the lack of education and corruption that emanates into the deepest recesses of our society. Insread of working hard and finding a way to move forward, we are always interested in finding shortcuts and easy routes. with this kind of thinking, we would never achieve our dreams.

Dear Dr. HAM

YOu perhaps misunderstood my point.

My point was that in Pakistan we talk too much about Islam, but prefer to follow Islam only to show.
We just run away when the true Islam comes into question. We dont follow the golden principles of Islam
These golden principles includes
not to lie
not to cheat
not to be dirty
to be honest
to be kind
to be reasonable in all our dealings
etc. etc.

When I say Namaz and dress codes, i mean too much stress has been given on these two points, only .
The IDEA behind this too much stress on these two items, is to make general public busy in these things, so that
THEY WOULD NOT CARE ABOUT THE GOLDEN PRINCIPLES OF ISLAM AS I HAVE MENTIONED.

Let i give you one example, sometimes back i went to Pakistan, and visited a spectacles shop, just near the Boulton market, while waiting there to get my classes repaired, the shop owner , with impressive beard and sharayi dress, asked me as to where do i live. I told them, that i live in Turkey. His first question was What type of dresses does their women wear. (As if Islam starts and ends with the dress code of women) I told them that the women in Turkey wear european clothes. His reply was, Oh then they are not muslims, this is why Turkey is always in trouble.
Now can you note that the Pakistani women dont wear European dress, then why do we have poverty and the other problems. Or on the otherside if the women of Turkey start covering themselves from head to toe, the economic and other problems of Turkey would be solved. I dont think so.

My point was that poverty has got nothing to do with the dress code of women.

Even your recommendation about solving the problem of poverty, has got no reference to the dress code. This is it.

Thannks

ahmet abdulaziz

Dear Ahmet

I visited Istanbul last year. Stayed at Hotel Dedeman. My office where I visited was in Maya Building. There was a Masjid on the side of Maya Building which was open for prayer for few minutes and then closed. I have seen many masajid there, only few Namazi were found. Only Jama Masjid are full of people for Friday for Jumaa Prayer. I Also visited Sultan Ahmet Mosque (Blue Mosqu). Most of the Imams of Masajid I found Clean Shaved, some having beard of less than half an inch.

Some body told me that it is banned in Turkey to have big beard. I have big beard 5-6 inches long, still trimmed. I found many people touching sides of their friends to point their attention towards me having big beard. I used to smile towards them and pass by. I was normally going to Profillo for lunch. I have seen the culture. I have seen almost 25 percent of local young girls/ Ladies in well covered Islamic dress with their hair fully covered. But the remaining young ladies having their necked bally between so called T-shirt and pants with half necked Chest. Pants and T-Shirts also hiding nothing.

Every body know why Turkey has adopted this culture. But rest assure that the Europeans will never integrate Turkey into EU till all the Masajid are closed and no political party/ any organization remain there who allow the ladies to cover their bodies.

Compare to Pakistan.

Our leader is also impressed from Kamal Ataturk. He is also begging money from USA to keep the politicians and other big pressure groups with him. In return west is asking to eradicate madrasas and asking to implement policies which promote vulgarity in our masses. Our President is closing madrasas and inaugurating dance floors in Islamabad. Will he be able to stop America to enter Pakistan. This is the main purpose of America for the sake of protecting Israel from the only Islamic nuclear state and to stand on the head of China.

Economy.

Above discussed problem is totally a separate issue. Poverty is related to the other issues I discussed in my previous mail. Namely Corruption and Greediness of our privileged / ruling class.

This mail may be deleted by some moderator or site administrator but tese are the facts.

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Allahoakbar

Dear Dr.HAM

Its good that you have visited Turkey.
But again i would say that you have observed Turkey only from those two points.........viz beards of imams and the dress code of the women.

What i wanted you to observe was not these two PARTICULAR aspects only. I can discuss and reply to your observations on these two topics in detail. But my point was not that.

Did you notice that Istanbul was more clean than Karachi.
Did you notice that buses stops on their stops
Did you notice that there is no separate parts in the means of transports for men and women, yet no one pinches or
misbehaves with women in buses.
Did you notice that nobody hits or presses other while entering into buses or trams or metro
Did you notice that discipline was too better there as compared to Pakistan
Did you notice that nobody smokes in the buses
Did you notice that nobody spits around
Did you notice that nobody through wastes here and there
and soooooooooooooooooooo sooooooooooooooomany other points

but unfortunately, you concentrated mainly on the beards of the imams and the dress code of the women

My dear please think
If over all these years since 1947 we have not been able to solve our problems, and are going from bad to worst,
with very impartiality and cool mind, we must think ARE WE DOING SOME MISTAKE SOMEWHERE

The mistake that we have been doing for all these years, are just those as i have mentioned before

NOTE......As to the point of Turkeys intentions of entering into EU you have completely misunderstood that. Nobody before the present rulers preferred to show that utmost desire to enter EU. You look history starting from Ataturk upto Bulent Ecevit, nobody was so excessively eager to enter EU. Unfortunately, the present government, is tooooooo tooooo much away from the principles of Ataturk, because they are pro Islamic party. They are eager to enter EU . Those who love and understand Ataturk were never ready to sacrifice their everything just to enter EU. No and NEVER.

cool man

All the politicians want to hold onto power and the people are daft enough to carry on voting for them

The worst menace we are facing is corruption.All the recent polititions have work for their own interests.there is no accountability of polititions,technocrats,beaurocrats etc.Moreover our nation is so naive that they bring back all those who are responsible for this poverty in Pakistan.It becomes a country which is full of all resources & handworkers but inspite of that the big majority of the masses are poor.It is the allocation of wealth,a small minority is deciding the faith of all.Some families & some individuals are filthy rich where as others have not enough to meet their ends.We as a nation are also responsible for that firstly because due to our ignorance & illitracy people take us for ride & secondly for our own personal benefits,interests & our own political affiliations we put aside our national & common interests.We need new people,new blood & honest leadership to lead us in the right direction while we remain united & behave like a nation.To bring back this country on the right track we have to hold the neck of all the plunderers,looterers & exploitetrs not only to punish them but also to recover from them the wealth belong to this nation.We need an independent judiciary to play the role of custodian for the masses.

Pakistan is facing poverty becasue of high illiteracy rate and corruption on the higher level. Neither the government is interested in sloving this issue nor are citizens of Pakistan making any effort in changing their way of life.

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Jamil Ali
www.jamjee.com

Assalaoalikom,dear friends !!!

meere khayal main hum serf apna hi suchte hain,

ghar woh khobsorat hota hai jis ka hamam (toilet)saf ho.

amir apni hawas naheen chhodte aur hum gharib apni tlash e mash.Main kuch naheen suchte(Right or Wrong).?

aur hmare peer sahiban apni malangi main dauate islam bhol chke hain bus joli bhar de.hum kab tak dargaon per bith kr

bhik ki rozi se apna pit barte raheen ge? hum ne khod apni zameer ko khokla kr ke dosron ki ghulami per

bharosa kya hai........ab hum kiss kiss ki jang lareen?.....apne ghar ki apne ledran ki apni chaudhrio ki vaderaon ki

nawabo ki meeron ki aur na jane ketni partyan hongi,kis kis ke liye apni jang ladeen.kaon keska hai zameer ko jagao

club main bith kr kana phosi se na hamara kuch bane ga na pakistan ko faeda hoga.sucho to dil se.(LOVE IS BLIND BUT

HEART IS POWER) dil dil pakistan...................................................................................................................... Smile

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MAKE EVERY DAY FRESH AND NEW,GO IN SEARCH OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE.!!!

Because of injustice system & lack of fear of Allah which lead towards selfishness.If we repent & come back to the right path Allah will help us & we will enjoy his boons(Nehmats) resources will increase & powerty will decrease.

its all due to pakistan's bad government !

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Extra vagant life standard of our socalled rullers & establishment.The luxurious life of all these Chors on Haraam wealth.Distribution of resources unjustly.They are the richest leaders of this purposely kept poor nation,otherwise there is enough resources & pottential Allah has given to us.But it is due to selfishness of these people that few are enjoying & rest suffering.

ae meere pyare watan.!!!! Smile

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MAKE EVERY DAY FRESH AND NEW,GO IN SEARCH OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE.!!!

Ghanoh aur naghmoh se jasbaat ko mehmez kia jaata he lehkin mere Bhai hume hamli taur se koshish karni ho gi.Dosti batho se nahih hothi iss ke liye khuloos aur achi niyat ki zaroorat he.