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Khalistan! Is that really new global reality of sikh bradari?

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	Shazia wrote:
	Khalistan! Is that really new global reality of sikh bradari? http://www.khalistan.net/welcome.htm

the original idea of a khalistan state calls for punjab, both indian and pakistani to form a "khalistan".

They always come from india to visit their sacred places in Pakistan. Otherwise, I cannot see any Sikhs in Pakistan.

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HIStory2 wrote:

	Shazia wrote:
	Khalistan! Is that really new global reality of sikh bradari? http://www.khalistan.net/welcome.htm

the original idea of a khalistan state calls for punjab, both indian and pakistani to form a "khalistan".

Come on. At least try to accept this true story since you denide Indian Terrorisam against Indian Occupide Kashmir, Khalistan (Indian Punjab) and against MAO Exclamation

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EnCounter wrote:

HIStory2 wrote:

	Shazia wrote:
	Khalistan! Is that really new global reality of sikh bradari? http://www.khalistan.net/welcome.htm

the original idea of a khalistan state calls for punjab, both indian and pakistani to form a "khalistan".

Come on. At least try to accept this true story since you denide Indian Terrorisam against Indian Occupide Kashmir, Khalistan (Indian Punjab) and against MAO Exclamation

lol. read latest news buddy. don't read archives. kashmir is one thing, khalistand and wtf is MAO?

HIStory2 wrote:

EnCounter wrote:

HIStory2 wrote:

	Shazia wrote:
	Khalistan! Is that really new global reality of sikh bradari? http://www.khalistan.net/welcome.htm

the original idea of a khalistan state calls for punjab, both indian and pakistani to form a "khalistan".

Come on. At least try to accept this true story since you denide Indian Terrorisam against Indian Occupide Kashmir, Khalistan (Indian Punjab) and against MAO Exclamation

lol. read latest news buddy. don't read archives. kashmir is one thing, khalistand and wtf is MAO?

Latest News Wink

Latest new also says that India will crash like Russia. WHat you say now Question

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It wasn't Russia that "crash"ed but Soviet Union, however u'll defend ur half baked knowledge on this like on other issues, so whatever.

Ohh Really Rolling Eyes

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I DUN C ANY SIKHS DOWN HERE IN OUR PUNJAB,? THEY COME , VISIT N GO FOR ONE MATTER, I THINK PAKISTAN IS FAR FROM INVOLVED IN KHALSITAN STUFF!

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Of course it is indian punjab which is populated with sikh community; there is hardly 0.1% population of sikhs in Pakistan. The matter of the fact is that Sikhs tried to make an alliance with Pakistan Government during khalistan movement and it was inevitable that india would have been divided as Pakistan did in 71. Pakistan had yet another opportunity to divide india and could have repeated india in 71 but, benazir bhutto revealed the names of top leadership of khalistan movement to indian government which led to their arrests and killing and the movement faded away. Pakistan proved again that how a muslim neighbour is like and india with their black face back stabbed Pakistan years after such as Kargil and Siachin stand offs and involvement of india in Balochistan and last but not least their occupation in Kashmir.

So although Pakistan and some agencies were involved with khalistan movement but they helped out india in encountering that delicate situation, which is ofcourse a mistake that we did.

Its time to unite Khalsa and Mujahideen to achieve the same goal - Independence from India!

Sikhs must be liberated like East timore.

No takers for Pakistan Radio allegation over misuse of anti-terror laws

January 21st, 2008 - 5:52 pm ICT by admin - Email This Post Email This Post

Amritsar, Jan 21 (ANI): The Government of Indian Punjab has strongly rebutted Pakistan Radio allegations that the Indian Government misused the anti-terror laws like POTA against minorities in the state.

A Punjab Government Cabinet Minister, Gulzar Singh Ranike, said: This is absolutely false allegation. I have myself served in Punjab, Jammu and Kashmir, Manipur, Nagaland, Laddakh and other parts of the country, and I havent witnessed any incident in which the authorities have discriminated against minorities.

The credentials of Pakistan Radio are now being questioned as it persistently tries to spread strident anti-India disinformation through its “Punjabi Durbar” programme.

Coming down heavily on the views propagated by Punjabi Durbar programme of Pakistan Radio, Singh added that no Indian law has different treatments for Hindus, Muslims or Sikhs.

Whosoever does anti-terror activities or anti-national activities is dealt with firmly. No discrimination of any kind creeps in, he added.

Recalling his own stint in Punjab for the last 10 to 15 years, Ranike said he had never ever witnessed any incident in which the TADA or POTA was misused.

Commenting on the allegation that Sikhs were tortured by Punjab Police, Ranike said: How can we take their words seriously. They must provide substantial evidence in connection with their allegations.

Criticising Pakistan Radio for its attempt to infuse sectarian and communal hatred, Ranike further said Pakistan should take care of burgeoning Islamist radicalism within its won boundaries.

Though the Musharraf regime has revoked the emergency, the law and order situation in Pakistan is still tense. Pakistan Radio is spreading falsehood to hide that internal turmoil.

Pakistan Radios programme only reveals that Pakistan cannot see a prosperous and developed Punjab.

The people of Indian Punjab laugh at this sort of propaganda, which claims that Sikhs in India, and especially in Punjab, are faced with a grim future. (ANI)

Most of them are dead..thanx to indira gandhi and KPS GILL

and most of them are no hiding in pak/canada....

and punjab is the most developed state of india...

so if pakistan stops poking into kashmir then kashmir( which was best spot for tourism and cottage industy(carpet and wool)

before1988 ....) will revive its glory and will be provide employment to kashmiris and give them good source of income from tourism....

so pakistan should learn from its mistakes and stop providing any kind of support.....

Live and let other live with peace....

rohit_bangalore wrote:

Most of them are dead..thanx to indira gandhi and KPS GILL

and most of them are no hiding in pak/canada....

and punjab is the most developed state of india...

so if pakistan stops poking into kashmir then kashmir( which was best spot for tourism and cottage industy(carpet and wool)

before1988 ....) will revive its glory and will be provide employment to kashmiris and give them good source of income from tourism....

so pakistan should learn from its mistakes and stop providing any kind of support.....

Live and let other live with peace....

Come on you fool. Come on.
Last time I were in Canada there are the most majority of Sikhs.
They says that we still not give up. They are still behind with the freedom of Khalistan.
rohit_banglore, wait I will bring some more news regarding this topic too.

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this is what i wrote about khalistan ...

all of them have run away to canada and pakistan...

and keep trying online..

we know isi was the one behind and stil supporting it..

but indian punjab is more safe and their per capita income is 2 times ur punjab mr online...

and they are very rich online..every house hs a car online...
and

if these canadians sikhs on support of isi does anythng in sikh,,,sikhs of punjab treats them as terrorists mr online...

and without home support, they cant even harm a brick here online...

Now u look to be terrorists....who openly supports terrorism..i m 100% sure abt u now...

if people are of ur type in pakistan,then pakistan ka kya hoga ....lets live it to god mr online...coz u support hatred ...

well done...this is expected from people like u..

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I do believe on Ghosts.

The book Soft Target is a proof of Indian State Terrorism and is banned in India.

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I do believe on Ghosts.

Villagers in Punjab believe Pakistan Radio allegation that Sikhism is considered a part of Hinduism

2008-01-22 04:45:18

The latest effort of the Pakistan Radio to sow misunderstanding among Sikhs and Hindus in Punjab has been to broadcast items which try to project that the Government in India does not considers Sikh religion a separate religion, but a part of Hindu religion.

'Punjabi Durbar' programme of Pakistan Radio in one of its recent broadcast dwelt on this subject, which has angered villagers living along the Indo-Pak border of Punjab.

This is not the first time that Punjabi Durbar programme has annoyed people of the state. In the past too it had tried to infuse separatist ideas, but received hard-hitting replies.

"Pakistan Radio is used to circulate gossip and promote misunderstanding. Hindus and Sikhs live in a very peaceful and conducive atmosphere. We don't have any differences," an annoyed villager said.

He went on to say that in Punjab people celebrate together Hindu, Sikh or Muslim festivals "with immense bonhomie."

This is not the first time that the credentials of Pakistan Radio were being questioned as it persistently tries to spread disinformation through its "Punjabi Durbar" programme.

Another villager feels that the Pakistan Government wants to promote differences. "People of every religion live here in peace and harmony. We don't have any differences of any sort", he says.

Coming down heavily on elements in Pakistan for propagating falsehoods and to provoke people leave the path of development, a villager said: "Pakistan is doing all this to hide its own weaknesses."

Though Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf has revoked the emergency, the law and order situation in Pakistan is still tense. Pakistan Radio is spreading falsehood to hide that internal turmoil.

Punjab has earned the epithet "Granary India" for its enterprising spirit, and the untiring toil of its people.

Indian Punjab's average growth rate of 10 per cent is amongst the highest in the country, clearly reflecting the progressive economy of the state. Punjab has one of the highest per capita incomes in India.

Today, Punjab has become a land of boundless opportunities, offering distinct advantages for investment and industry.

People of Punjab, who are dynamic, have worked hard to enrich the soil, develop water resources, and adapt agricultural technology to usher the "green revolution" in the State.

The state has emerged as a major producer of wheat and rice. It has also provided the impetus for "White Revolution", during Operation Flood, and recorded the highest per capita availability of milk.

Pakistan Radio's 'Punjabi Durbar' exhortations have had little or no impact on Sikhs. (ANI)

who is PM of india???

Dr manmohar singh :sikh

who is chief of army staff and chief of defense staff: Sikh

who is head of planning commission:

A sikh

who is vice chief of navy:sikh

sikhs in india are so progressive that showing me 20 yrs old hstry which is dead will only prove that :

u have no news 2 prove............
khalistan is alive now but now target will be pakistan punjab:lol..... and indian sikhs have been asking and want pakistan punjab to progress like them...come to chandigarh...there are 500 software and 100electonics company that is not there in full pakistan....

India has had a long history of counter-terrorism. In the 1970s, with the full support of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, West Bengal acted decisively in putting down the Naxalites. Yes, there were many "false encounters" but at the end of the day, the menace was eradicated. Likewise in Punjab, Prime Minister PV Narsimha Rao gave blanket powers to the police under KPS Gill to do what was necessary to save the State for India. A highly effective strategy lay in combining aggression with deterrence.

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Ahead of French President Nicolas Sarkozy's visit to the country, Sikhs on Tuesday staged protest against a French secularity law banning turbans in public schools and other work places in that country and urged Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to raise the matter with the former.

"We are appealing to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to request French President Nicolas Sarkozy to request him to lift the ban on this law in his country or else face opposition to the move," said Akali Dal president Paramjeet Singh.

The protesters shouted anti-France slogans and requested Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to take up the matter with France.

Paramjeet led the group who were protesting against the French law.

Nicolas Sarkozy, who is scheduled to arrive on Friday, will be the chief guest at the Republic Day parade.

Sikh community in France has been recently caught up in legal duels with the French Government on turban issue.

Opponents of the ban question the French Government's interpretation of secular beliefs on its nationals undermining the neutrality of the state on issues concerning personal beliefs. (ANI)

Khalsa Sikhs and followers of Sachcha Sauda clash as police try to stop them, in Bathinda on May 14. The clash occurred after Khalsa Sikhs allegedly tried to burn an effigy of Gurmeet Singh.

Clerics have often been incensed by similar use of Sikh imagery. Bridegrooms, who traditionally wore a plume of the kind that features in iconography of the 10th guru, have dropped the practice in response to religious censure. One preacher, Onkar Singh Kara, was compelled to drop both the use of the plume and claims to personal godhood after strictures were passed against him by the Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee (SGPC).

However, the religious Right has not itself been averse to using Sikh iconography for its own ends. Cards and posters of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, released after Operation Bluestar, used the image of Guru Gobind Singh's falcon to propagate claims that the revanchist preacher was alive and would reappear to lead the war for Khalistan.

Sachcha Sauda, thus, was far from exceptional in its use of such imagery to reinforce its claims to represent the true traditions of the Sikh faith. Political circumstances, however, vested the act with inflammatory potential.

Politics of the Crisis

No one knows just why Sachcha Sauda chose to throw its weight behind the Congress in the just concluded Punjab Assembly elections. While the sect had linkages with almost every south Punjab and Haryana politician of consequence - both Haryana Chief Minister Om Prakash Chautala and his Punjab counterpart Prakash Singh Badal visited Sachcha Sauda's Sirsa headquarters in pursuit of votes and appeared before Gurmeet Singh with folded hands - it had never formally asked its followers to support one party or the other before.

One explanation rests on the fact that Gurmeet Singh's daughter is related by marriage to both Bathinda's Congress legislator, Harminder Singh Jassi, and Chief Minister Amarinder Singh's adviser, Bharat Inder Singh Chahal. By some accounts, Gurmeet Singh hoped to leverage a Congress victory to gain protection against his possible indictment for the murder of Ram Chandra "Chhatrapati", a Sirsa-based journalist who was investigating alleged Sachcha Sauda criminality. The Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) is probing allegations that Gurmeet Singh was involved in the murder as well as in other crimes such as sexual enslavement of women premis.

Another possibility is that the sect sensed an opportunity in the growing assertiveness of Dalits in Punjab. Gurmeet Singh himself is a Jat Sikh, of the Sidhu sub-caste, but the sect's egalitarian principles have proved attractive to both Hindu and Sikh Dalits alienated by the apartheid that pervades rural Punjab. Most villages have separate gurdwaras for Dalits and Jats. Although no formal census of Sachcha Sauda's caste composition has been conducted, sources in the Punjab Police said informal estimates indicated that over 70 per cent of its membership was Dalit.

What is known for certain is this: Sachcha Sauda's decision to support the Congress led to the Shiromani Akali Dal's (SAD) decimation in its south Punjab heartlands. Had urban Hindu voters not defected from the Congress to the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), Amarinder Singh would have most likely made his way back to power. After the SAD-BJP victory, Sikh neoconservatives were bent on exacting vengeance. On April 23, almost a month before the Jaam-e-Insa furore broke out, a Sachcha Sauda memorial in Mansa was attacked and destroyed.

Religion and Rebellion

It would be facile, though, to attribute the recent events to Punjab politics alone. Sikh neoconservatives believe that an existential religious struggle is under way. Both modernity, which is seen as seducing young Sikhs away from the principles advocated by the 10th guru, and apostasy are the adversaries.

For much of the last century, Sikh reaction has manifested itself in a number of struggles seeking to sharpen the fault lines between the two principal religious identities in Punjab. In 1998, for instance, clerics decided to abandon the Bikrami calendar, in which important Hindu and Sikh festivals fall on the same dates.

With their loose syncretistic practices, the new deras pose a formidable challenge to this project. Attacks on godmen began during the years of the Khalistan terror as part of an effort by the Sikh Right to eliminate religious heterodoxy. Indeed, many commentators have drawn parallels with the 1978 clashes between the Khalsa and the heterodox Nirankari sect, which marked the ascendance of Khalistani groups.

Folk religion, however, survived and grew. Punjab now has dozens of itinerant godmen of somewhat ambiguous denominational loyalty. Deras also function as centres for networking, attracting Dalit administrators and politicians. Baba Murad Shah of Nakodar commanded a constituency large enough to compel former Prime Minister I.K. Gujral to seek his electoral support. Ashutosh Maharaj's Divya Jyoti Sansthan, the Radha Swami sect, Saccha Sauda and other similar groupings are thought to have followings that far exceed that of the Golden Temple-based clerical establishment.

Part of the reason for the success of the deras lies in the relationship between Dalit resistance and religious rebellion. Among its first expressions in Punjab was the Ad-Dharam movement, which suggested that Dalits were a distinct qaum, or nation, distinct from Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs. The movement gained momentum in 1923 with the return to India of Mangoo Ram, the son of a rich Chamar. Despite his wealth, Mangoo Ram had to live with social stigma. Ram spent much of his early life in the United States, where he was actively involved in the revolutionary Gadar movement.

Mangoo Ram succeeded in invigorating the Ad-Dharam movement because of a growing paradox in the Dalit class position.

On the one hand, Punjab Dalits prospered under British rule. British military bases in and around Jalandhar needed leather goods produced by members of the Chamar caste. Besides, Dalits were recruited into the colonial army, and during their tours of duty abroad, they gained access to new ideas of equality.

At the same time, the colonial state denied Dalits access to land. In 1901, the Punjab Land Alienation Act restricted the purchase of land to what it described as the "cultivating castes". Dalits were deemed as belonging to a non-agricultural caste and were therefore denied the right to own the land they toiled on as workers or tenants. The Act secured the interests of Jats, whom the British saw as a kind of oriental version of the landholding Yorkshire peasantry: propertied, hard working and, above all, deferential to authority.

Dalit alienation

Neoconservatives have fuelled Dalit alienation by decisively throwing their weight behind Jats in recent conflicts. For instance, the clerical establishment disenfranchised Sehajdhari Sikhs - those who do not observe some or all of its outward manifestations - from participation in elections to the SGPC. Dalit organisations, whose members make up the overwhelming majority of Sehajdhari Sikhs, understood this as an attack on their religious and community rights.

As the historian Bhai Harbans Lal pointed out in a 1999 essay, the neoconservative argument flies in the face of Sikh history, in which Sehajdhari Sikhs played a central role from the time of Guru Gobind Singh to the Singh Sabha movement. SAD-backed clerics, Dalit activists note, even refused to condemn a brutal economic boycott of Dalits who protested against the illegal usurpation of the Shaheed Baba Nihal Singh at Talhan, near Ludhiana, by upper-caste Sikhs in 2003. Dalits reacted by turning their back on clerics who appear to despise them.

What might lie ahead? Clerics at the Anandpur Sahib Gurdwara at Talwandi Sabo, whose flock is most hit by Sachcha Sauda's influence, have launched an energetic reconversion initiative. According to the Jathedar of the gurdwara, Balwant Singh Nandgarh, who is one of the five high priests of the Sikh faith, some 500 families have chosen to be readmitted to the religion, following public expressions of regret and a ritual of penitence. Sachcha Sauda followers, though, allege coercion. One SAD councillor in Bathinda is said to have told local premis to "come back to the gurdwara, for otherwise if the police were to pick you up tomorrow, I will not be able to help".

Possibilities more disturbing than such persecution are evident. In 2001, Dalit godman Piara Singh Bhaniarawala set off riots by releasing the Bhavsagar Granth, a 2,704-page religious text suffused with sakhis, or miracle stories, extolling his spiritual powers. According to the godman, the Bhavsagar Granth was written after upper-caste Sikhs in a neighbouring home refused to allow the display of the gurdwara's Guru Granth Sahib in a Dalit home.

When Sikh neoconservatives burned copies of the Bhavsagar Granth, Bhaniarawala's followers retaliated by setting alight Birs, or copies of the Guru Granth Sahib. SGPC President Jagdev Singh Talwandi insisted that Piara Singh be booked for murder, claiming that the Guru Granth Sahib is a "living guru". Punjab's government balked at this measure but did prosecute Bhaniarawala for inciting communal hatred. When it failed, the Babbar Khalsa International - the feared terror group responsible for the bombing of the Air India jet Kanishka and the assassination of Chief Minister Beant Singh - attempted to kill the godman.

For those familiar with Punjab's recent past, not suprisingly, the future is full of terror. Such fears may be excessive, for there is little sign that the clerics' position has any real mass constituency.

But Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, it bears noting, believed precisely the same thing when she first began patronising an obscure preacher named Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale.

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I do believe on Ghosts.

The book Soft Target is a proof of Indian State Terrorism and is banned in India.

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I do believe on Ghosts.

ya its right 2 do it..

why shouldn we deal with them if soem sikhs of pakistan sponsored by isi and pak

wanted to create law and order prob in punjab...they used2 bomb and kill people./.

so we eradicated them

come to indian punjab...evvery house has a car..............they are richer than ur side..

so u all have 2 mess in our matter and now they are safe nd living with peace....

they are so angry abt pkstn than if someone talks abt khalistan,they call police and full public beat them,..............and they knw pak from close...after all they wre ur first targe ,then kashmir........................

but galti se agar punjab aate ho tab khalistan ka name liya ......phir no one can save u..........but if i go 2 fata ll hear people talking bad abt pak coz of musshraaff..but i m not like u...i support mussharraf and he is killing the germs of society..................kyunki talibani ko khatam karo.........