Kashmir Problem

Things are better now.

Indian kashmir is getting tourism.Bollywood is planning to revive the tourism industry .There are some movies made in kashmir..And then people will start touring kashmir.

i like kashmiri woolen shawls and blankets.

Once i had gone to srinagar,i had bought a lot of things...

they are so cheap./some 500 rupees ,one can get 100%wool blanket.

	trueindia wrote:
	Things are better now. Indian kashmir is getting tourism.Bollywood is planning to revive the tourism industry .There are some movies made in kashmir..And then people will start touring kashmir. i like kashmiri woolen shawls and blankets. Once i had gone to srinagar,i had bought a lot of things... they are so cheap./some 500 rupees ,one can get 100%wool blanket.

good for you, but the things will get worse again as soon as musharraf departs; which is not too far.

calm down.

Its good for both india and pak

Noone wants to fight any war.

and u shouldnt think,if musharraf goes,someone will attack kashmir and fight a war.

it has to be solved by peaceful negotiations.

And for your kind information,i am a kashmiri brahman .

we had to run away from kashmir in 1987.

and probably i know kashmir more than you ..

its tyranny that we left our land coz of some militants who all a sudden killed some 500 kashmiri pandit in a year.

trueindia wrote:

calm down.

Its good for both india and pak

Noone wants to fight any war.

and u shouldnt think,if musharraf goes,someone will attack kashmir and fight a war.

it has to be solved by peaceful negotiations.

And for your kind information,i am a kashmiri brahman .

we had to run away from kashmir in 1987.

and probably i know kashmir more than you ..

its tyranny that we left our land coz of some militants who all a sudden killed some 500 kashmiri pandit in a year.

I am far too calm and quiet. I was only expressing the fact.

I am not saying that there should be a war on Kashmir again, no one is in favour of war. Good to know that we have someone here who knows Kashmir better than us. well I don tknow the figures of pandit's but i iwould like to remind you of some 100,000 people who were killed in Kashmir for no reason. Ok if we take for example 15000 as militants as you said yourself, then it leaves us with 85000 innocent people who were killed only on the name of the religion and ideological cause they were putting behind the freedom of kashmir. We dont want to open another debate here and neither I want to start telling you about Attrocities, tortures and rapes that indian troops have done over the past 6 decades. Trouble is you guys only feel the situation while putting on the indian shoes, try to put on the shoes of Kashmiri's their little kids and innocent women, who over the years got raped and widowed for the cause of Kashmir. Try to see the situation through Kashmiri's eyes not a brahaman's eye.

And for that reason, trust me they will shoot back very soon again. Pakistan in the past have been emphasising for the talks on kashmir but no one of your prime ministers were ever sincere in talking about Kashmir on the table, whether it was nehru or atal bihari wajpai, they all were insincere. Its like Pakistan running behind India for the resolution of Kashmir just like a clerk runs after his boss holding files to resolve an issue.

I just know 6 letter word !

PEACE

i dont like anything other than peace!!
and it's happening.
Both the country have agreed to it as a dispute.
i know what you wrote.
And everyone knows.
But For me india is eveything.For you pak is everything.
we can only put up point and discuss.

and i dont think it will be so easy to shoot back once china,russia,usa are all facing similar problem in western china,chechanya.

trueindia wrote:

calm down.

Its good for both india and pak

Noone wants to fight any war.

and u shouldnt think,if musharraf goes,someone will attack kashmir and fight a war.

it has to be solved by peaceful negotiations.

And for your kind information,i am a kashmiri brahman .

we had to run away from kashmir in 1987.

and probably i know kashmir more than you ..

its tyranny that we left our land coz of some militants who all a sudden killed some 500 kashmiri pandit in a year.

Of course it is good for you. Because Musharraf`s government policies are
too much against Pakistan. He keep quite over RAWs terror in Pakistan. He keep quite
Indian Army terror in Kashmir. Maybe he need support from India to be more popular.
But I am 100% agreed with ugwaraich comments.

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trueindia wrote:

I just know 6 letter word !

PEACE

i dont like anything other than peace!!
and it's happening.
Both the country have agreed to it as a dispute.
i know what you wrote.
And everyone knows.
But For me india is eveything.For you pak is everything.
we can only put up point and discuss.

and i dont think it will be so easy to shoot back once china,russia,usa are all facing similar problem in western china,chechanya.

you think you know it, but actually you dont know exactly what this word is because... it is not 6 letter word its 5 letter word.

peace is happening because Pakistan is compromising over her own self respect and ignoring cause of Kashmir over foreign policy. Well so nice of indians that they finally admitted atleast that it is a dispute, I dont know what took so long to admit it.
I cannot understand if you know what I wrote then how come india is everything to you? a normal human being if knows about tortures attrocities and killings would never favour a country who is doing it. Atleast we admit that whatever suicide attacks some so called "muslims" do are wrong and the most respectable Imam e Kaaba (like your pandit) asked to stop doing suicide attacks in which innocent people get killed. If we accept such things then why you being humans cant accept the attrocities that india is executing over other humans in kashmir and still think the way that india is everything for you?

but anyway I am just raising a point. in your last statement you are directing to a very important point, we muslims are not crazy who would fight with countries who are not oppressing muslims or killing muslims. Muslims will only fight with people who occupy our lands and kill our people, this is the simplest rule. In western china, if you mean tibet, then there is no problem, although they have muslims but they are not fighting until chinese govt. is ok with it.
About chechniya, there was again the conflict of land and killings. It was communist govt. who started the massacre of muslims in chechnya after they lost the battle of afghanistan.

There are only two major conflicts in the world about occupation. This world can be a better place if these two conflicts are solved. Otherwise it will keep bleeding. These two conflicts are Palestine and Kashmir. If you see around then you'll know that world politics moves around these two conflicts. Some governments deliberately dont want to solve these problems.

ugwaraich wrote:

trueindia wrote:

I just know 6 letter word !

PEACE

i dont like anything other than peace!!
and it's happening.
Both the country have agreed to it as a dispute.
i know what you wrote.
And everyone knows.
But For me india is eveything.For you pak is everything.
we can only put up point and discuss.

and i dont think it will be so easy to shoot back once china,russia,usa are all facing similar problem in western china,chechanya.

you think you know it, but actually you dont know exactly what this word is because... it is not 6 letter word its 5 letter word.

peace is happening because Pakistan is compromising over her own self respect and ignoring cause of Kashmir over foreign policy. Well so nice of indians that they finally admitted atleast that it is a dispute, I dont know what took so long to admit it.
I cannot understand if you know what I wrote then how come india is everything to you? a normal human being if knows about tortures attrocities and killings would never favour a country who is doing it. Atleast we admit that whatever suicide attacks some so called "muslims" do are wrong and the most respectable Imam e Kaaba (like your pandit) asked to stop doing suicide attacks in which innocent people get killed. If we accept such things then why you being humans cant accept the attrocities that india is executing over other humans in kashmir and still think the way that india is everything for you?

but anyway I am just raising a point. in your last statement you are directing to a very important point, we muslims are not crazy who would fight with countries who are not oppressing muslims or killing muslims. Muslims will only fight with people who occupy our lands and kill our people, this is the simplest rule. In western china, if you mean tibet, then there is no problem, although they have muslims but they are not fighting until chinese govt. is ok with it.
About chechniya, there was again the conflict of land and killings. It was communist govt. who started the massacre of muslims in chechnya after they lost the battle of afghanistan.

i was talking about western province.its not tibet.its province that has predominant muslim population.They turn violent against china.Once musharraf went to tell them that china is your homeland.
So china is also afraid .And they keep mum on all these issues.They support no religion.

trueindia wrote:

ugwaraich wrote:

trueindia wrote:

I just know 6 letter word !

PEACE

i dont like anything other than peace!!
and it's happening.
Both the country have agreed to it as a dispute.
i know what you wrote.
And everyone knows.
But For me india is eveything.For you pak is everything.
we can only put up point and discuss.

and i dont think it will be so easy to shoot back once china,russia,usa are all facing similar problem in western china,chechanya.

you think you know it, but actually you dont know exactly what this word is because... it is not 6 letter word its 5 letter word.

peace is happening because Pakistan is compromising over her own self respect and ignoring cause of Kashmir over foreign policy. Well so nice of indians that they finally admitted atleast that it is a dispute, I dont know what took so long to admit it.
I cannot understand if you know what I wrote then how come india is everything to you? a normal human being if knows about tortures attrocities and killings would never favour a country who is doing it. Atleast we admit that whatever suicide attacks some so called "muslims" do are wrong and the most respectable Imam e Kaaba (like your pandit) asked to stop doing suicide attacks in which innocent people get killed. If we accept such things then why you being humans cant accept the attrocities that india is executing over other humans in kashmir and still think the way that india is everything for you?

but anyway I am just raising a point. in your last statement you are directing to a very important point, we muslims are not crazy who would fight with countries who are not oppressing muslims or killing muslims. Muslims will only fight with people who occupy our lands and kill our people, this is the simplest rule. In western china, if you mean tibet, then there is no problem, although they have muslims but they are not fighting until chinese govt. is ok with it.
About chechniya, there was again the conflict of land and killings. It was communist govt. who started the massacre of muslims in chechnya after they lost the battle of afghanistan.

i was talking about western province.its not tibet.its province that has predominant muslim population.They turn violent against china.Once musharraf went to tell them that china is your homeland.
So china is also afraid .And they keep mum on all these issues.They support no religion.

I never heard of this conflict. You are the first person telling me, why? probably because you are trying to exploit a small street quarrel into a big conflict between muslims and chinese. give me any authentic source for any news related to it, also it must not be from any indian media, should be some neutral source.

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	I never heard of this conflict. You are the first person telling me, why? probably because you are trying to exploit a small street quarrel into a big conflict between muslims and chinese. give me any authentic source for any news related to it, also it must not be from any indian media, should be some neutral source.

sure!!!

In india our central govt doesn't provoke any hindu fanatics or muslim fundamentalist..its more of vote bank politics .

But in china,the govt is doing it directly in western china!!

In china web is filtered.so you cant hear it happening in china.While in india,everything is opened!!

i can give u 100 links about chinese western province!And we need to be flexible while discussing issues.If you tell me that being hindu am anti pak or i dont have know how of what happened in india or pak or kashmir,then that is not justified!!!

China:

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/routledg/ccsa/2003/00000012/00000002/art00007

State responses to Islamic terrorism in western China and their impact on South Asia

Abstract:

The demand by some elements of the Uygur ethnic minority in China for a separate state of East Turkestan has a long history pre-dating 9/11. Since 11 September, however, the Chinese government has insisted that these separatists are no different from other Islamic terrorists that are the focus of the global 'War against Terror'. An examination of official and non-official sources suggests, however, that Uygur terrorism in western China reached its height in the early and mid-1990s. Xinjiang, the homeland of the Uygurs, has no less than eight international borders including borders with Pakistan, Afghanistan and India. Given the cross-border character of modern terrorism, this geographical factor gives events in Xinjang regional significance. This paper focuses on the responses of the state to violence in Xinjiang. It argues that despite the porous nature of the international borders of Xinjiang, Uygur extremism in western China poses no immediate threat to South Asia. The main impact of the Uygur separatist movement on South Asia is that it has enabled the Chinese government to argue that it shares a common concern with the United States and India in the War against Terror. This has, in turn, served India well because it has expanded the legitimacy of its own clamp-down on Indian Muslims and given greater credibility to new draconian legislation introduced into India in the aftermath of 9/11.

China 'crushing Muslim Uighurs'

.Ethnically Turkic Muslims, mainly in Xinjiang
.Made bid for independent state in 1940s
.Sporadic violence in Xinjiang since 1991
.Uighurs worried about Chinese immigration and erosion of traditional culture

China has been accused by two US-based human rights groups of conducting a "crushing campaign of religious repression" against Muslim Uighurs.

It is being done in the name of anti-separatism and counter-terrorism, says a joint report by Human Rights Watch and Human Rights in China.

It is said to be taking place in the western Xinjiang region, where more than half the population is Uighur.

China has denied that it suppresses Islam in Xinjiang.

It says it only wants to stop the forces of separatism, terrorism and religious extremism in the region, which Uighur separatists call East Turkestan.

Detentions and executions

he report accuses China of "opportunistically using the post-11 September environment to make the outrageous claim that individuals disseminating peaceful religious and cultural messages in Xinjiang are terrorists who have simply changed tactics".The authors of the report say it is based on previously undisclosed Communist Party and Chinese government documents, local regulations, press reports and local interviews.

The report says the systematic repression of religion in Xinjiang was continuing as "a matter of considered state policy".

Such repression ranges from vetting imams and closing mosques to executions and the detention of thousands of people every year, it claims.

"Religious regulation in Xinjiang is so pervasive that it creates a legal net that can catch just about anyone the authorities want to target," said Sharon Hom, Executive Director of Human Rights in China.

The report also reveals that almost half the detainees in Xinjiang's re-education camps are there for engaging in illegal religious activities.

Uighurs make up about eight million of the 19 million people in Xinjiang.

Many of them favour greater autonomy, and China views separatist sentiments as a threat to the state.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2006/11/19/muslim_voices_rising_in_china/

Controls on Islam spur resentment among a restive minority

Most of China’s Uighur Muslims still work in traditional occupations, such as selling carpets in Hetian. (Jehangir S. Pocha for the Boston Globe

November 19, 2006

HETIAN, China -- On a recent Friday, the holy day of Islam, crowds swelled inside the antique Jame mosque, the largest in this ancient town in Xinjiang Province in the far west of China, home to the nation's small but restive Muslim minority.The turbaned and bearded clerics who preached to the gathered faithful had all been vetted for their political beliefs by local Chinese authorities, who determine what sermons they can give, what version of the Koran they may use, and where and how religious gatherings can be held.Resentment against Beijing has been building here since 1949, when Mao Zedong annexed the independent nation of East Turkestan and began to assimilate it into mainland China. To do this Beijing imposed strictures on Islam and sought to dilute the culture of the local Uighurs, a Central Asian people with a Turkic-Persian culture.

Abdel fidgeted uncomfortably throughout the few minutes he talked to the journalists, saying the biggest problem Uighurs face is that of social and economic exclusion.

"The truth is, where you see money there will be Han, where there is poverty you will see us Uighurs," Abdel said. Han is an ethnic group that makes up the majority of China .

Some Chinese officials say they are baffled by the criticism China receives for its policy on Xinjiang, where the nation's relatively small Muslim population of about 8 million is concentrated.

"On the one hand the world complains that Pakistan doesn't do enough to control its madrassas, and on the other they complain when China does not allow them," said one official, referring to Muslim religious schools. The official asked not to be identified as he was not authorized to speak to the press. "We believe Islam can be an unbalancing force so we need to control it."
Pop-up PHOTO GALLERY: Muslims living in the former East Turkestan
RELATED STORY: China pipeline raises ethnic strife (By Jehangir S. Pocha, Globe Correspondent)

Though Uighurs have traditionally followed a moderate blend of Sunni Islam and Sufi mysticism strongly influenced by local folklore and rural traditions, a rising Islamic mood is palpable in Xinjiang. More and more women are wearing veils, residents say, and mosques are packed on Fridays.

Mostly this is due to a rising interest in religion that is common across much of China, where people are reacting to the intense atheism of the Maoist years. But in Xinjiang, rising Islamic sentiment has also taken on a political hue, with many separatists demanding the re-creation of an independent East Turkestan on religious grounds. Some of these separatists have conducted armed attacks against Chinese targets, and Chinese officials say they are also behind most of the public protests that have rocked Xinjiang in recent years.

After the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, Chinese authorities have used the global war on terrorism to crack down on suspected separatists. Plainclothes policemen routinely roam the rustic mosques and bustling markets of Uighur towns. Human rights groups and local residents say anyone thought to be acting suspiciously is hustled away and often punished without a fair trial.

Though Chinese actions in Xinjiang have been very similar to its actions in neighboring Tibet, whose Buddhist culture has been systematically undermined by Beijing, the situation in this remote western province has received much less global attention.

That is changing, thanks to the emergence of a new generation of articulate Uighur leaders and to growing support for Uighur separatists from Islamists in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and other Central Asian countries -- part of the global upsurge in pan-Islamism.Page 3 of 3 --

Rebiya Kadeer, a Uighur exile living in Washington, D.C., who reportedly had been considered a leading candidate for this year's Nobel Peace Prize for her human rights work in Xinjiang, says the world is taking notice of the Uighurs' suffering from what they see as Chinese colonization.
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"The Chinese have denied us basic rights and freedoms -- that's why we now want them out of our land," Kadeer said in a telephone interview. "A lot of doors are being opened to me [in Washington] so I am able to raise the issue of the Uighur people at very high levels."

In the streets of Hetian, it is easy to see how different Xinjiang is from most of the rest of China. The skyline is crowded not with traditional Chinese sloping roofs but with Islamic domes and spires. Most of the older buildings have elegant Turko-Persian style balconies decorated with floral filigree work, and men wearing doppas -- small four- or five-cornered brimless embroidered hats -- sit on benches in the street smoking water pipes and eating grilled skewers of meat.

But Chinese officials insist Xinjiang was historically part of China until the Soviet Union briefly helped separatists create East Turkestan in the 1930s.

Part of the reason China is tightening its grip on Xinjiang is its growing strategic importance. The province has been found to be rich in oil. It also borders Mongolia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India, and has become an essential launching pad for China's geopolitical interests in these areas, where the United States is also jockeying for influence.

The Chinese government forces all Muslims in China to adhere to a state-controlled version of their religion, and banners placed around town warn locals not to stray from the official faith. The imams are not even allowed to issue the call to prayer using a public address system.

The Chinese government has tightened its constraints on the Uighur ethnic minority in western China amid official fears of a rise in militant Islam. The Chinese are acutely aware of the growing strategic importance of Xinjiang in Central Asia and the large oil and natural gas reserves under its soil.

In turn, resentment among the Uighurs toward perceived repression by the Chinese has intensified. And increasingly, the Uighurs are speaking out and demanding autonomy, thanks in part to the emergence of articulate Uighur voices at home and in exile.
Pop-up PHOTO GALLERY: Muslims living in the former East Turkestan
RELATED STORY: China pipeline raises ethnic strife (By Jehangir S. Pocha, Globe Correspondent)

Though Xinjiang is ostensibly an autonomous province, Wang Lequan, the local Communist Party secretary, who is Chinese, has publicly called for Uighurs (pronounced Wee'-gurs) to learn more Mandarin and adopt more Chinese customs.

To dissuade Uighur youths from inheriting their traditional Islamic culture, the government has banned children from entering mosques, studying Islam, or celebrating Islamic holidays.

During the month of Ramadan, when devout Muslims fast through the day, schools take special care to ensure that all their students eat, a local school principal said.

The fear and state control under which Uighurs live in Xinjiang was apparent when some foreign journalists, who are generally not allowed into the province, were taken on a tour by Chinese officials last month. The journalists were carefully monitored, but when they did manage to go out alone, most Uighurs were too scared to talk about the antipathy they bear toward China.

A man who identified himself only as Abdel rubbed his clean-shaven chin anxiously as the four Uighur Muslim friends finished their dinner of goat soup and noodles.

"The government doesn't allow young people here to grow beards," he said as the sun set. "If you do, they will send you to the forced labor camps. This is a communist country and it is scared of Muslims. Our Uighur ethnic group is suppressed the most."

Abdel asked not to be fully identified out of fear of reprisal from local authorities. But his is just one of the angry whispers filtering through the crumbling buildings and twisted alleys of Xinjiang's Uighur cities and villages.Continued...

china has no freedom of press ..

Even world top search engines Google Inc,Yahoo inc ,MSN inc are not able to tap chinese market..

CHina govt scans and filters all HTTP request.So these companies who have a uniform policy all over world are banned in china!!

Even chinese local companies Taibu,Alibaba is not allowed to show anything on web,

if 100 people are killed in china,its a normal for the chinese govt,bcoz there is no media who dares to report it.!!

and you are just supporting china bcoz you are pro china.And china is pro pakistan.
but that doesnt prove your point!!!

you will have to accept many realities which are part of life!!

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-7233173,00.html

BEIJING, Jan 17 (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Gordon Brown should use his visit to China starting on Friday to press Beijing on a range of human rights issues ahead of this year's Olympics, according to rights groups.
They include domestic issues such as the detention of activist Hu Jia, as well as international ones such as China's sale of weapons to the military government in Myanmar, Human Rights Watch said in an open letter to Brown.
"In the months prior to the 2008 Beijing Olympics ... we believe that there is a unique opportunity to press for change. Your government's rhetorical commitments to promoting human rights in China must now be matched by concrete action," it said.
Brown should insist on being allowed to meet Hu, arrested on charges of inciting to subvert the government, the letter said.
"In our experience, visits from foreign leaders such as yourself bring these kinds of critics an important degree of protection, and we are aware that you have in the past at least raised individuals' cases with the Chinese government."
Brown must also discuss the former Burma, racked last year by violent anti-government demonstrations in which at least 31 people died, the letter said.
"That China's significant voice is not heard on human rights issues allows the Burmese government to exploit the lack of a unified position among key international actors," it said.
And Brown should urge China to stop repression in the far Western, mainly Muslim region of Xinjiang, said Dilxat Raxit, spokesman for the exiled World Uyghur Congress.
"He must show that economic interests do not trump human rights concerns," he told Reuters.
China has accused al Qaeda of links to groups operating in oil-rich Xinjiang, home to 8 million Uighurs, a Turkic, largely Islamic people who share linguistic and cultural bonds with Central Asia.
Many resent the growing Han Chinese presence in Xinjiang, as well as government controls on religion and culture.
"Britain says that it's anti-terrorism measures are to protect human rights. China uses the excuse of terrorism to abuse human rights. Britain should not accept that excuse," Raxit said. (Reporting by Ben Blanchard); Editing by Bill Tarrant

http://www.upi.com/International_Security/Emerging_Threats/Analysis/2008/02/01/analysis_jihad_in_asia/5854/print_view/

BERLIN, 1 (UPI) -- A German terrorism expert in his new book warns not to ignore the Islamist terrorism in China and Russia.

In his book "Jihad in Asia," (Deutscher Taschenbuch Verlag, 15 euros) Berndt Georg Thamm, a Berlin-based terrorism expert, details the history of modern Islamist terrorism, which originated in Afghanistan and has since spread to terrify the West and also -- and that's Thamm's key message -- the East.

While China and Russian aren't exactly role models when it comes to civil rights, Thamm argues that their problems with Islamist terrorism should nevertheless be taken seriously in the West. Between 19 million and 22 million Muslims live in Russia, with some 20 million Muslims living in China."Islamist Jihad does not separate the world in East and West, but in a world of believers and nonbelievers, and militant Islamists count to the group of infidels Europeans and Americans, as well as Chinese and Russians," Thamm says.
Thamm notes that al-Qaida was only able to flourish and plan its attacks in the United States and Europe during a period of safety in Afghanistan, after the Taliban, which in the 1980s had been supported by Washington, had driven out the Soviets. Those Taliban today are viciously fighting Western soldiers in the Central Asian nation.

In Asia, Thamm writes, several ethnic conflicts have been "Islamized" since 1996, meaning that the hate and misery created during those conflicts are exploited by militant Islamists to recruit fighters for the creation of an Islamic Caliphate that encompasses the Central Asian nations, including the Russian province of Chechnya and the Chinese province of Xinjiang.

"Before, Muslim ethnic minorities in Russia and China were fighting for autonomy, for independence from a central government; today, they are increasingly fighting against 'infidel occupiers' on the territory of Islam," Thamm writes.

Asian governments have reacted to that terror threat as early as 1996, when Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan founded the Shanghai Five, to cooperate, among other issues, on security matters. When Uzbekistan joined in 2001, the members renamed the group the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

Thamm based his book mainly on lengthy talks with Chinese and Russian security sources; it tells in great detail the historical and political aspects of the conflicts in the various countries affected (Afghanistan, Russia, China and the Central Asian countries), details the history of different Islamist organizations and lists their threat potential in Asia and Europe. There continues to be concern over tensions in the region, centering on Uighur cultural aspirations to independence, and resentment toward what Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch describe as repression of non-Han Chinese culture.

Yet Thamm cites 200 terror attacks in Xinjiang until 2001, and notes that several Uighur fighters have supported the Taliban in Afghanistan.

On Jan. 5, 2007, Chinese security raided a terrorist training camp in the mountains near the Pamir Plateau in southern Xinjiang. According to reports, 18 terrorists were killed and another 17 captured in a gun battle between the East Turkestan Independence Movement and Chinese security forces. Beijing said more than 1,500 hand grenades were seized.
Europe should be concerned by the terror movements in Russia an Asia, Thamm writes, mainly because of the continent's geographical proximity. The book also examines the Islamic Jihad Union, a terror group most active in Central Asia, which in the past has threatened to attack Germany and Austria. Moreover, Thamm writes, terrorist attacks in Russia seemed to be a test runs for attacks in Europe: In December 2003, Islamists bombed a Russian commuter train. In March 2004, an attack on commuter trains in Madrid killed more than 190 people. In February 2004, an Islamist woman detonated explosives in a Moscow subway, killing 39 people; not even three months later, Islamists attacked London's subway system, killing more than 50.

Thamm therefore argues that the West should deepen its security cooperation with the East -- politically, militarily and economically. The European Union, Thamm writes, could aspire to receive observer status to the SCO.

While security cooperation with China and Russia is tricky, given the danger that these rather authoritarian governments may use anti-terror methods that aren't in line with human rights, one has to call to mind that U.S. anti-terror moves have been similarly questionable: Europe has repeatedly called on Washington to close the military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and the world has been shocked to hear about extraordinary renditions, torture of terror suspects and the gruesome images taken at Abu Ghraib prison. Thamm is a strong proponent of international cooperation in the fight against terrorism.

He argues it is an uphill battle to only fight the Taliban in Afghanistan while other conflicts in bordering countries are rallying more and more people for jihad.

"Observers in Islamabad, Kabul, the Central Asian republics, China and Russia experience the Jihad as a movement coined by the Turkic people, a world that has ties reaching ultimately Turkey -- and that is the edge of Europe," Thamm writes. "This … dangerous movement can't be fought by the West or East alone. Only the cooperation of East and West is able to ward off this danger of the 21st century."

The chinese are very shrewd people..
They have not let any article published against china govt for human rights violation against musims,but they have written a lot about "Terrorism in china" on wikepedia..i have already given you some 4-5 links.i can see about 1million hits on china musilms terrorism.But there are only few articles against china govt ,bcoz u all know china has no media!!

its on wikepedia:

Terrorism in China

Terrorism in China is primarily committed by Muslim separatist militants in the Xinjiang Uyghur and Tibet autonomous regions

Banned organizations

The Ministry of Public Security issued a list of banned organizations and known terrorists on 15 December 2003. Organizations the government has banned are the Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement, the East Turkestan Liberation Organization, the World Uygur Youth Congress, and the Eastern Turkistan Information.

The eleven terrorists the ministry identified are Hasan Mahsum, Muhanmetemin Hazret, Dolkun Isa, Abudujelili Kalakash, Abudukadir Yapuquan, Abudumijit Muhammatkelim, Abudula Kariaji, Abulimit Turxun, Huadaberdi Haxerbik, Yasen Muhammat, and Atahan Abuduhani

Incidents in China

Incidents in Xinjiang

On 5 February 1992, among the four bombs set in public buildings in Urumqi, Xinjiang, China, the two on the buses of line 2 and line 30 exploded. The incidents led to at least the death of 3, and injury of 23.

Urumqi bus bombs: On 25 February 1997 three bombs exploded in Urumqi. The bombs were set on the three buses (line 10, line 44, and line 2), and made the death of 9, (including the death of 3 children at least), and injury of 74.

Another bomb in the south railway station (the main station in Urumqi) didn't explode.

Steel balls, screws, and nails were found in the bombs.

Criticism
Amnesty International has criticized the Chinese government of using "'anti-terrorism' as a pretext to suppress all forms of political or religious dissent in the region." In a 2004 report, AI says "repression has continued in the region over the last two years, in the context of an ongoing political and security crackdown against the so-called 'three evils' of 'separatists, terrorists and religious extremists'

Border cooperation
The Chinese and Kyrgyz governments increased security along their borders with each other and Tajikistan on 11 January 2007 after Chinese government officials expressed concern that "international terrorists" were traveling through Xinjiang and Central Asia to carry out attacks. The warning followed a high profile raid on a training camp in Akto County, Xinjiang run by East Turkestan Islamic Movement members. General Sadyrbek Dubanayev, deputy chief of Kyrgyzstan's border guards, said, "After the announcement of the special operation by the Chinese side, we briefed everyone [security authorities on the Kyrgyz side] and then Kyrgyzstan and China decided to increase security along the border."[

Cooperation with other countries

Cooperation with Afghanistan
Chinese Communist Party leader Jia Qinglin said on 22 January 2007, "China appreciates Afghanistan's valuable support on such issues concerning China's core interests as Taiwan, human rights and fighting 'East Turkestan' terrorists." Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Liu Jianchao said, "There should not be double standards in counterterrorism. At the same time, no country wants to see another Al Qaeda in China.

Delhi security summit

The Delhi summit on security took place on February 14, 2007 with the foreign ministers of China, India, and Russia meeting in Hyderabad House, Delhi, India to discuss terrorism, drug trafficking, reform of the United Nations, and the security situations in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, and North Korea.[11][12]

The Indian Foreign Ministry released a statement on behalf of all three governments saying, "We shared our thoughts on the political, economic and security aspects of the global situation, the present world order and recent developments in various areas of mutual concern. We agreed that co-operation rather than confrontation should govern approaches to regional and global affairs. There was coincidence of views against terrorism in all its forms and manifestations and on the need to address financing of terrorism and its linkages with narco-trafficking

Xinjiang raid

Main article: Xinjiang raid (January 2007)
Chinese police raided a suspected East Turkestan Islamic Movement training camp in Akto County in the Pamirs plateau near the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan on 5 January 2007.[13]

A spokesperson for the Xinjiang Public Security Department said that 18 terror suspects were killed and 17 captured. The raid also resulted in the death of one Chinese police officer and the injury of another. Authorities confiscated hand grenades, guns, and makeshift explosives from the site.[13][14]

East Turkestan Independence Movement is a broad term that refers to advocates of an independent, self-governing Xinjiang, also referred to as East Turkestan. Currently the area is an autonomous region in the People's Republic of China.

In general, the wide variety of groups who seek independence for Xinjiang can be distinguished by the type of government they advocate and the role they believe an independent Xinjiang should play in international affairs. Groups who use the term East Turkestan tend to have an orientation towards western Asia, the Islamic world, and Russia. These groups can be further subdivided into those who desire secularity, and identify with the struggle of Kemal Atatürk in Turkey, versus those who want an Islamic theocracy and identify with Saudi Arabia, the former Taliban government in Afghanistan, or Iran. In many cases the latter diminish the importance or deny the existence of a separate Uyghur ethnicity and claim a larger Turanian or Islamic identity. These groups tend to see an independent East Turkestan in which non-Turkic, and especially non-Islamic minorities, such as the Han Chinese would play no significant role.

Those that use the term Uyghuristan tend to envision a state for the Uyghur people. Those groups that adopt this terminology tended to be allied with the former Soviet Union while it still existed. Since then some of the leaders of these groups have remained in Russia, Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan, or have emigrated to Europe and North America. In any future independent Uyghuristan, non-Uyghur peoples such as the Kazakhs, the Uzbeks, the Kyrgyzs, the Han Chinese, or the Hui would exist only as tolerated minorities.

It is worth noting that none of these identities are exclusive. Some groups support more than one such orientation. It is common to support both an Islamic and Turkic orientation for Xinjiang. The founders of the Turkic Islamic Republic of East Turkestan (also known as the East Turkestan Republic) are a good example of this.

Since 1995 the Chair of the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization has been Erkin Alptekin, the son of the Uyghur separatist leader Isa Yusuf Alptekin.Some Uyghur issues being brought to attention in the international arena include a great many alleged injustices. One of the main resources in the area of East Turkestan or Uyghuristan is oil. The Han Chinese have been accused of seizing this wealth, and then bringing in Han Chinese from the other side of the country to fill the jobs to run the drilling and refineries. Also, the Han Chinese government has been accused of taking Uyghur children away from East Turkestan and forcing them to attend schools in other parts of the country, in which they are separated from their families, their culture and their native language, which is very different from Han Chinese. The Han Chinese say that the reason for this is the schools in East Turkestan are not sufficient.

The desire for independence isn't merely because of cultural or religious differences, but also due to perceived injustices. However, more and more the Uyghur movement is being recognized internationally.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) is a militant, Uyghur organization that advocates the creation of an independent, Islamic state of East Turkestan in the Xinjiang region of China. The founder and leader of the organization was Hasan Mahsum, who was shot and killed by the Pakistani Army on October 2, 2003.

ETIM is considered a terrorist organization by the governments of China, Kazakhstan, and the United States, as well as the United Nations.[1][2][3]

The Chinese government blamed ETIM members for several car bomb attacks in Xinjiang in the 1990s, as well as the death of a Chinese diplomat in Kyrgyzstan in 2002, but the group has neither admitted nor denied such accusations.

ETIM has had, and may still has links with Al-Qaeda. In its 2005 report on terrorism, the US State Department said that the group was "linked to al-Qaida and the international jihadist movement" and that Al-Qaeda provided the group with "training and financial assistance".[4] In January, 2002, the Chinese government released a report in which it showed proof that Hasan Mahsum met with Osama bin Laden in 1999 and received promises of money, and that bin Laden sent "scores of terrorists" into China.[5] However, ETIM leader Hasan Mahsum denied such organizational ties and alleged China to exaggerate such claims as a means of enlisting support from the United States.[6][4]

Detainees at Guantanamo Bay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_detainees_in_Guantanamo
Approximately two dozen Uyghurs were held in extrajudicial detention at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base operated by the United States in Cuba. On March 3, 2006, the US Department of Defense was forced to release the transcripts of detainees who had attended their Combatant Status Review Tribunals. Most of the Uyghur detainees faced allegations that they were tied to the East Turkistan Islamic Movement, Al-Qaeda, or the Taliban. They denied all such ties.[citation needed]

Five of the Uyghur detainees were among the 38 detainees whom the tribunals determined were not "enemy combatants". The United States government did not grant the Uyghurs asylum, but neither would they repatriate them to China, fearing that they would be tortured or executed by the Chinese government.[1]

On 5 May 2006 the five Uyghurs were transported to Albania

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Even world top search engines Google Inc,Yahoo inc ,MSN inc are not able to tap chinese market..

CHina govt scans and filters all HTTP request.So these companies who have a uniform policy all over world are banned in china!!

Even chinese local companies Taibu,Alibaba is not allowed to show anything on web,

if 100 people are killed in china,its a normal for the chinese govt,bcoz there is no media who dares to report it.!!

and you are just supporting china bcoz you are pro china.And china is pro pakistan.
but that doesnt prove your point!!!

you will have to accept many realities which are part of life!!

Don`t worry about Pak-China relations.
After all these relations are not like Israel & India relations.
India Terror in Kashmir & Israeli Terror in Pelestain are world famous issues.
But both India & Israel are lucky that they always got support against their those terrorist
missions. After all both side those suffring terror activites from India & Israel are muslims.

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