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ahmet2910
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dear soul mate

thank you very much
mein bohot serious baat kar raha tha

parosi ko poochna keh woh bhooka to nahin hey
yeh sirf aik example hi us ikhlaq ki jo islam hamein sikhata hey

aur ham bahesiat aik quom key
bohot oonchi oonchi batein kartein hein islam key barey mein

laikin aik itni chooti si cheez ber bhi amal nahin kartey hein

aur phir jab hamarey bhookey log christians sey help letey hein

to forun hamara islam bedar hojata hey
aur ham foran siyasi narey laganey shuroo kardetey hein
keh nonmuslims per pabandi lakani chahiyey
Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:56 pm View user's profile Send private message
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"Huzoor S.A.W. ne faramaya agar koi burai dikhoo to hath se rook do agar na rok sako to zaban se rukoo nahi to dil me bura janoo""

Islam 1 sacha mazhab hai isleye iski tableeq pori dunya me kaheen bhi ki ja sakti hai.. baqi saray mazhab jhoot per mabni hain... or allah tala ne sirif Islam ko pasand farmaya .....isi leye Allah ne Quran pak me Yahood-o-Nasara ki purr zoor andaz me muzammat ki hai... isleye agar koi gumrahi ki taraf le kar jaa raha hai to ose rookna har musalmaan ka farz hai

isleye agar koi jhoot ka parchaar karta or gumrahi ki taraf le jaa raha hai hai to ose rookna hamara farz hai...


main apki sab batain man leti hoon magar yeh bataey agar yehi asool ghair muslim mamalik bhi apna laingay tu phir islam kaisay phailayga duniya main.


ESA KOI NON MUSLIMS COUNTRIES NAHI HAI JAHAN ISLAM KI TABLEEG KI EJAZAT HOO AGAR KOI HAI TO BATA DAIN MUJHEE?

OR YE BHI BATA DIAN KO WO KONSA MULK HAI JAHAN GHAR GHAR JAKAR NON MUSLIMS KO ISLAM KI KHULAY AAM TABLEEG KI JAA RAHI HOO??


main canada main rahti hoon yahan par sirf toronto main 50 say ziyada masajid hain. islam ki tableeq bhi khul kar hoti hai. mujhay tu aaj tak kisi nay nahin roka. agar duniya main islam ki tableeq ki ijazat nahin ho tu phir akhir islam ko sab say tezi say phailnay wala mazhab kiyon kaha jaraha hai.
Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:24 am View user's profile Send private message
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yaar world ki kisi bhi non muslims countries kay laws me esa koi law nahi hai jis main islam ki tableg ki Ejazat hoo
ap jo Canada ki baat karr rahe hoo wahan jo musalmaan hai hain unko tableeg ki jati hai kisi non muslim ko zabar dasti koi bhi tableeg nahi karr raha ...haan agar non muslim khud hi islam me dilchspi lee raha hai wo alag baat hai..likin esa koi laws abhi tak nahi aya
Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:21 am View user's profile Send private message
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no problem

aap bohot hi narrow visualise karrahey hein situation ko

mein bohot hi barey scale per baat kar raha hoon

kiya har musulman ko apni duty nahin maloom
maloom hey
aur woh duty yeh hey keh uska parosi bhooka na soyey
abb agar her musulman rozana apney neighbour key problems ko
solve karey ga
bhookey ko khana de ga

to kiya pakistan mein koyi bhooka rahey ga
NAHIN

laikin aaj ka musulman apni is duty ko chor kar
kabhi is per kabhi usper ilzam rakhta hey
kabhi apni duty poori nahin karta hey

ham log aisey kiyon hogayey hein
is per sochna chahiyey
na keh ham kabhi chrisitians, jews per
kabhi hukumet per
kabhi election ki dhandli per
ilzam lagatey hein

kabhi apney aap ko bhi to her pakistani ilzam dey
yeh hey problem
aur sarey problems ki jarr


never mind
ap jis baray scale ki baat karr rahe hoo os per pichalyy 60 saal se har koi baat karta chala aaa raha hai or ye baat bool kar jaan chura leta hai kay pehle apne gareeban me jhankoo...

ap Khud example dete hoo 2nd Khalifa Hazarat Umer (R.A) ki kay Hazrat Umer ne Farmaya kay agar koi kutta bhi bhooka sogaya to iska Hisab mujh se lia jae ga...

mujhe 1 baat bataee ap ye kioon nahi kehtay kay Khalifa kay doar kay musalmaan qusoor war hongay...Hazarat Umer ne ye kioon nahi kaha kay agar koi kutta bhi bhoka sogaya to iska hisab mujh se nahi balakay meri Awam se lia jai ga???

ap jo baat karr rahe hoo esa bohot saray musalmaan hain jo apni duties ada karr rahe hain likin phir bhi society sahi nahi hoo rahi....is baat ko agar is taran se le lia jae kay koi shaks samandar(SEA) ka pani kam karne kay leye samandar se balti bhar kar khushki per phenkna shuru ho jae.. to kia samandar ka pani kam ho jae ga???

Common scence ki baat hai yaar jab govt. mojod hai to osko chahiye kay esi scheme le kar ay logo ki help karay koi plan tar teeb dai ...jab hi gurbat khatam ho sakti hai warna agar ap apne naighbour ko khana khila rahe hoo to iska matlab ye nahi kay pakistan se gurbat khatam ho jae gi...is kam kay leye inqilabi tareeqay se kam ki zaroorat hoti hai
i hope kay ap samajh rahe hoongay

thnx
coolmind

Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:38 am View user's profile Send private message
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thank you very much coolmind
aap ki baton ney mujhey bohot appeal kiya hey

IS LIYEY
ABB MEIN BHI AAP AUR DOOSREY MUSULMAON KI TARHA
SUKOON SEY BETH KAR INTIZAR KAROONGA KEH
JAB KOYI ACHI HUKOOMAT AYEY GI TO WOH HAM
MUSULMANON KO DANDEY MAAR MAAR KAR SIDHA KAREY GI
KIYONKEH YEH KEHNA GHALAT HEY KEH HER MUSULMAN ISLAM
KEY MUTABIQ ZINDAGI GUZARNA SHUROO KAREY
YEH AIK INDIVIDUAL KI DUTY NAHIN HEY
YEH GOVERNMENT KI DUTY HEY KEH WOH LOGON KO SIDHA KAREY

IS LIYEY ONCE AGAIN AAP KI ARGUMENTS SAY AGREE KARTEY HOYEY

MEIN BHI RISHWAT LENA CONTINUE KAROON GA JABTAK HUKUMT AKAR MUJHEY NAHIN ROKEY GI
MEIN BHI POLITICIAN BUN KAR QOM KA PAISA LOOTTA RAHOON GA KIYONKEH
JAB ISLAMI HUKOOMAT AYEY GI TAB WOH MUJHEY ROKEY GI
MEIN BHI POOREY MULK MEIN DAKOO GARDI CHORI KARTA RAHOON GA
KIYONKEH JAB ISLAMI HUKOOMAT AYEY GI TO MUJHEY ROKI GI
MEIN BHI HER TARAF GANDAGI PHAINKTA RAHOONGA, JHOOT BOLNA
CONTINUE RAKHOON GA
SAREY BURAY AKHLAQ CONTINUE KAROON GA
KIYONKEH JAB ISLAMIC HUKOOMAT AYEY GI TAB MEIN SEEDHA HONGA

US SEY PEHLEY MEREY KISI BHI ACHEY ISLAMIC CULTURE PER CHALNEY
KI ZAROORAT NAHIN HEY

AUR MUJHEY AAP KI LOGIC SEY YEH BHI PATA CHALA KEH HISTORY MEIN
MUSULMANON NEY JAB TARAQQI KI THI AUR JAB WOH BOHOT POWRFUL
THEY TO WOH UNKEY ACHEY ISLAMIC USOOL AUR CULTURE AUR BEHAVIOUR KI
WAJAH SEY NAHIN BALKEH KHALIFA KEY DANDON (CANE BEATING) SEY HOEYEY THEY

THANK YOU FOR GUIDING ME

LETS WAIT FOR AN ISLAMIC HUKOOMAT OTHERWISE WE ARE ALL MASOOM
AND ISLAMIC PRINCIPLES (OTHER THAN NAMAZ ROZA ZAKAT HAJ) DOES NOT APPLY TO US


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I AM CLOSING THIS DISCUSSION HERE
THANKS
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Pakistan has been hijacked by the zionists and their lackeys i.e mush zardari
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thank you very much coolmind
aap ki baton ney mujhey bohot appeal kiya hey

IS LIYEY
ABB MEIN BHI AAP AUR DOOSREY MUSULMAON KI TARHA
SUKOON SEY BETH KAR INTIZAR KAROONGA KEH
JAB KOYI ACHI HUKOOMAT AYEY GI TO WOH HAM
MUSULMANON KO DANDEY MAAR MAAR KAR SIDHA KAREY GI
KIYONKEH YEH KEHNA GHALAT HEY KEH HER MUSULMAN ISLAM
KEY MUTABIQ ZINDAGI GUZARNA SHUROO KAREY
YEH AIK INDIVIDUAL KI DUTY NAHIN HEY
YEH GOVERNMENT KI DUTY HEY KEH WOH LOGON KO SIDHA KAREY

IS LIYEY ONCE AGAIN AAP KI ARGUMENTS SAY AGREE KARTEY HOYEY

MEIN BHI RISHWAT LENA CONTINUE KAROON GA JABTAK HUKUMT AKAR MUJHEY NAHIN ROKEY GI
MEIN BHI POLITICIAN BUN KAR QOM KA PAISA LOOTTA RAHOON GA KIYONKEH
JAB ISLAMI HUKOOMAT AYEY GI TAB WOH MUJHEY ROKEY GI
MEIN BHI POOREY MULK MEIN DAKOO GARDI CHORI KARTA RAHOON GA
KIYONKEH JAB ISLAMI HUKOOMAT AYEY GI TO MUJHEY ROKI GI
MEIN BHI HER TARAF GANDAGI PHAINKTA RAHOONGA, JHOOT BOLNA
CONTINUE RAKHOON GA
SAREY BURAY AKHLAQ CONTINUE KAROON GA
KIYONKEH JAB ISLAMIC HUKOOMAT AYEY GI TAB MEIN SEEDHA HONGA

US SEY PEHLEY MEREY KISI BHI ACHEY ISLAMIC CULTURE PER CHALNEY
KI ZAROORAT NAHIN HEY

AUR MUJHEY AAP KI LOGIC SEY YEH BHI PATA CHALA KEH HISTORY MEIN
MUSULMANON NEY JAB TARAQQI KI THI AUR JAB WOH BOHOT POWRFUL
THEY TO WOH UNKEY ACHEY ISLAMIC USOOL AUR CULTURE AUR BEHAVIOUR KI
WAJAH SEY NAHIN BALKEH KHALIFA KEY DANDON (CANE BEATING) SEY HOEYEY THEY

THANK YOU FOR GUIDING ME

LETS WAIT FOR AN ISLAMIC HUKOOMAT OTHERWISE WE ARE ALL MASOOM
AND ISLAMIC PRINCIPLES (OTHER THAN NAMAZ ROZA ZAKAT HAJ) DOES NOT APPLY TO US


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I AM CLOSING THIS DISCUSSION HERE
THANKS


Ahmet sahab agar meri koi baat buri lagi hoto sory
ap meri baat samjhay nahi me kehna kia chah raha hoon...ap jo baat karr rahe hain wo individual karr rahe hain jab kay mai all over ki baat karr raha hoon

ap khud 1 baat sooch kar bataeen ..kia mere or ap kay sahi honay se pakistan sahi ho jae ga????
me ye nahi keh raha kay ap buray kam karne lagoo or kisi achi govt. ka wait karoo kay jab tak wo nahi aee gi ham buraiaan karte phirayy nahi mere doost me esa kuch nahi kehta likin me apki is sooch se agree nahi karta kay agar ham khud koo thek karleain to sab sahi ho jaega

ap bhalay apne apko theek kareen likin ap apni ye sooch khatam kar dain kay society bhi isi taran se theek ho jae gi

me jo kehna chah raha hon wo me apko point de kar bata ta hoon

1. individual tareeqay se apne ap ko theek karne se agar koi ye samajhta hai kay mere apne apko theek karne se pori society theek ho jae gi ..to phir wo wrong think ka malik hai

2. over all agar ham society ko theek karna chahtay hain to os kay leye LAW & ORDER ki zaroorat hoti hai jiska ihktiaar GOVT. kay pass hota hai...

govt. ki defination hi yahi hai ...allah ne Quran pak me laws isi leye bataeee.. 4 khulfa-e-Rashideen bhi is ki behtreen misaal hain..aj dunya kay jin countries me laws & Order per sahi tareeqay se immpliment hota hai wahan sab khuch apko theek nazar aee ga.. likin agar wahan light chali jae to phir kia hota hai sab hi ko maloom hai

wassalam Ahmet bhai ...Allah apko Jaza-e-Khai Ata karay ameen
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mr coolmınd

mein ney yeh discussion close kar diya tha
laikin aap ka reply perh ker
mujhey kuch aisa mehsoos hoya keh ham donon
aik hi ultimate goal ki baat kar rahey hein
laikin hamari techniques different hein

shayid mein apna point clear nahin karsaka

is forum per agar aap meri posts dekhein
to clear hojayey ga keh mein kiya kehna chahta hoon

mera basic point sirf aik hey
aaj key musulman islam ko nahin samajhtey hein
bus itna sa hi masla hey
woh islam kiyon nahin samajhtey hein kiyonkeh
1. unhein quran samajhney ka chance nahin diya jata hey
2. is condition mein aik common musulman jin logon ki
taraf guidance key liyey dekhta hey (yani maulvi) unmein sey
ziyada tar islam ko sahi interprete nahin kartey hein
aur unmein sey ziyada tar islam ko bohot difficult aik
din ki tarha sey present kartey hein
3. islam mein aisey hi maulvi hazrat ney itni ziyada bidaat
dakhil kardi hein keh aik common musulman key liyey sahi islam kiya
hey , bohot hi mushkil ho raha hey
4. islam mein itney ziyada different schools of thoughta aur
groups ban gayey hein (aur her group mein maulvi maujood hey)
keh aik common musulman confuse hogaya hey
5. in sari vujoohat ki wajah sey aik common musulman
bohot aasani sey brain wash hojata hey
aur kabhi woh khudkash bum wala hokar hamarey samney ata hey
aur kabhi kisi aur unislamic shakal mein
6. islam ka proper knowledge na honey ki wajah sey
christians aur jews waghera bohot aasani sey musulmanon mein
sey apney agents dhoond letey hein

reh gayi baat government ki to agar common musulman islam
ko samajhta hoga aur islam key mutabiq apni personal life
guzar raha hoga to phir rulers bhi government bhi inhi logon mein
sey select hogi
nahin to phir wohi DANDA wali situation hogi

aik baat aur clear kardoon
islam key mutabiq life guzarney ka matlab generally namaz roza
zakat haj...............shalwar key painchey kitney oonchey hon
beard ki lambai kitni ho...........topi kis rang ki ho...............
in cheezon mein hi islam reh gaya hey
kiyonkeh aaj key common musulm an ko sirf yehi bataya jata hey

aur usko aik doosrey sey kaisey deal karna hey
ikhlaq waghera ko aaj hamein jo islam samjhaya jata hey
usmein ikhlaq ko bohot beechey jagah di jati hey

is liyey aaj ka musulman HUQOOQ UL IBAD ko koi importance
nahin de raha hey
aaj jo loot maar machi hoyi hey uski wajah yehi hey keh
aaj ka musulman islam ko sirf masjid mein jana aur roza rakhna
ramazan mein dukkanon ko band rakhna, apni formal dressing,
masjidon ko sajaney, milad parhney, 12 rabi ul awwal key juloos
nikalna, mazaron per paisey charhaney............waghera waghera
sirf in chizon ko woh kar key yeh samajhta hey keh woh sahi kar raha
hey kiyonkeh moulvi bhi yehi kartey hein

asal islam kiya hey aaj key musulman ko yeh bataya hi nahin jata hey

jab musulman islam ko samajh jayein gey to her cheez khudba khud
badal jayey gi
government bhi achi ayey gi
law and order bhi acha hojayey ga

sab kuch acha hojayey ga
laikin musulman ko islam kiya hey woh batana zaroori hey
sirf namaz roza aur milad parh leney sey kuch nahin horaha hey
kiyonkeh in ka sila allah hamein qiamat mein dega
laikin Allah ney hamein is dunya mein rehney ko bhaija hey
aur is dunya mein hamein insanon key saath rehna hey
Huqooq Allah sey kamayey hoyey sawab sirf aap key aur Allah key beech mein hey
laikin HUQOOQ UL IBAD mein ki hoyi dhandlion ko Allah bhi muaf nahin karey ga

merey aaj tak sab kuch kehney key peechey sirf aur sirf yeh aik thinking maujood hey

if you have found something offending here, i am sorry for that
dont take anything personal
i am sorry if i have hurt your feelings
Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:48 pm View user's profile Send private message
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i think baat jahan se start hui thi wahan se ham hat kar kisi or topic ki taraf chalay gae hain jahan per mere or apkay khayalat me kuch zada farq nahi hai...

anyway thnx for ur valuable comments
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Islam ko phailnay sa koi nahi rook sakta lakin ya bee tak ha ka is time jewish & christians pakistan india kashmir ma boot kam kar rahi ha Dr.Zakir Naik ka ak bayan ma kaha rahi tha ka christions na dava kia ha ka hum na 1947 ka bad sa la kar ab tak pakistan ore india ma boot muslims ko christon kia ha ya humara lia boot afsoos ke baat ha ore sirf kashmir ma 20000 muslims ko christon kia ha Allah huma islam par amal karna ke toffeq da ore humare death islam par ho Ammin
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mie ne both sari posts pari hain aur us mie sab yehi keh rahe hain k ESSSAI festival hay us ko jewsish kiun Bol rahe hain Aik baat batata chaloo sab ko K christains yeh boltay hain k Christanity Jewism ki complete Shakal hay ..

Dosri baat Ju hadees ki baat hui hay k aagr koi baat dekhoo tu us se HAth se Rok Do..Puri Hadees ye hay k Hath se Roko nahee Rok Saktay tu Zaban Se roko Agar us say bi nahee tu dil mie us say bura samjo takay tumara imman mazboot rahay ye mafhoom hay hadees ka.

Is ka ye matlab nahee hay k KISI KO KATAL KARDIA JAYE.Agar woh loog Tableeg kar rahe hain tu App bi karoo tableeg apany deen ko bachanay ki hum khud kia kar rahe hain?..Baat Darasal ye hay k koi kuch nahee karna chahta bas aik dosray par ungli Utha rahe hain..
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yaar world ki kisi bhi non muslims countries kay laws me esa koi law nahi hai jis main islam ki tableg ki Ejazat hoo
ap jo Canada ki baat karr rahe hoo wahan jo musalmaan hai hain unko tableeg ki jati hai kisi non muslim ko zabar dasti koi bhi tableeg nahi karr raha ...haan agar non muslim khud hi islam me dilchspi lee raha hai wo alag baat hai..likin esa koi laws abhi tak nahi aya


kisi bhi ghair islami muluk main yeh qanoon nahin hai kay kisi bhi mazhab (bashamol islam) ki tableeq ki ijazat nahin ho isi tarah kisi bhi islami mulk main yeh qanoon nahin banana chahey kay wahan kisi bhi mazhab ki tableeq ki ijazat na ho. as simple as that.
is festival main bhi kisi kay sar par pistol rakh kar mazhab tabdeel karnay ko nahin kaha giya tha, isliay aap isko zabardasti kiyon samajh rahay hain. jo log us festival main shirkat kar rahay thay yaqeenan woh log kisi na kisi had tak us mahab main dilchaspi rakhtay thay.
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i thought we were a muslim nation? why are we trying to integrate with everyone else. it is probley some propoganda to trap us.
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I think everybody has the right to preach there religion we know they are not right then talk and do discussions with them if you cant discuss it with them and trying to stop by force then you have already lost.

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is festival main bhi kisi kay sar par pistol rakh kar mazhab tabdeel karnay ko nahin kaha giya tha, isliay aap isko zabardasti kiyon samajh rahay hain. jo log us festival main shirkat kar rahay thay yaqeenan woh log kisi na kisi had tak us mahab main dilchaspi rakhtay thay.


agar koi kisi shaks ko sharab pilaraha hai to phir ye bhi sahi hua kioon kay os ne bhi gun kay zoor per sharab nahi pilai

agar A ki sister B kisi kay sath apni raza se zana karay to kia A ko Bura nahi lagay ga??????

akhiri baat karooga bura mat manaye gaa allah na karay kay esaaa hoo

farz kareen agar apki family ka member islam choor kar koi or mazhab ihktiaar karley to apne dil se batayee ga apko kesa mehsoos hooga???
100% apki feeling me 1 intishaar ajae ga is leye jistaran apni family members se jitna payar kartee hain osi taran tamam musalmannoo se bhi kareen

hamaray Nabi S.A.W. ko apni ummat ki itni fikar thi kay sari sari raat roo kar guzartay thay or aj hamara ye haaal hai kay ham khulay aam ye keh rahe hain kay agar koi musalmaan islam ko choor raha hai to koi baat nahi agar koi non muslim apne mazhab ki taleem musaalmanoo ko dee raha hai to koi baat nahi ..kia zamana agaya hai kisi ko apne muslims ki koi fikar hi nahi baray aram se kehdia kay ejazat honi chahiye...Piyare Nabi S.A.W. ka apni ummat kay leye ratoon ka roona hi yaad kar lia karoo
allah jazae kheer day ameen

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although aap ilmi andaz say bahas karnay kay bajaey zatiyat par utar aaey hain magar khair har shaks apnay mahool aur apni tarbiyat ki akkasi karta hai.

jahantak bura lagnay ka taluq hai zindagi main insan ko bohat si batain buri lagti hain magar iska yeh matlab nahin hai kay un par kisi ki zati pasand napasand ki buniyad par pabandi lag jaey. apnay jo sawalat poochay hain unkay jawab main yeh hi kahongi kay jo situations apnay biyan ki hain main unmain bhatkay huay logon ko dalael ki buniyad par seedhay rastay par laney ki koshish karongi magar unko qatal nahin karoongi. zana meri family main koi karay (bahan/bhai/maa/baap) ya apki family main hum ko dukh hoga, hum usko gunah say tauba karnay ko kahaingay, hum usko seedhay rastay par lanay ki koshish karaingay magar kiya hum ghussay main akar usko sazq daingay, meray khiyal main nahin. kisi bhi qism ki saza denay ka haq sirf aur sirf mamlikat ko hai, individuals ko nahin.

bahas yeh thi kay kiya musalman mulk main doosray mazahib ki tableeq ki ijazat hona sahi hai ya nahin. uskay jawab main meri daleel yeh thi kay agar musalman mamalik doosray mazahib ki tableeq par pabandi lagaeygay tu kiya doosray mamalik islam ki tableeq par pabandi laganey main haq bajanib hongay. aap nay abtak iska koi jawab nahin diya hai. sawal kay jawab main sawal karnay say discussion kisi logical ending ki taraf nahin barhti.
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I think everybody has the right to preach there religion we know they are not right then talk and do discussions with them if you cant discuss it with them and trying to stop by force then you have already lost.


they r not just preaching man,they r like buying ppl.
they r ready to pay,for any 1,for any thing,just
to convert them in christianity...in islami country
it happened in N.W.F.P also,
specially in CHITRAL(KAFRASTAN)
they convert a lot from there,,
& in islam,
MURTAD WAJABUL QATAL HE>..


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although aap ilmi andaz say bahas karnay kay bajaey zatiyat par utar aaey hain magar khair har shaks apnay mahool aur apni tarbiyat ki akkasi karta hai.
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janab baat ye hai kay dard jab hi insaan ko mehsoos hota hai jab apne jism me hoo raha hoo...kisi dosray kay jism me hone wala dard bhi ap mehsoos karoo ..bas kehne ka ye maqsad tha pori ummat -e-muslima 1 jism ki manand hain.

baat zati pasand ki nahi hoo rahi hai balkay baat ka maqsad ye hai kay Huzoor S.A.W. ka irshad hai kay jo apne leye pasand karoo wohi dossroon kay leye bhi pasand karoo...ab is hadeath ki tashreeh me agar chalay jaee to merii baat ka matlab apko khud samjh ajaee ga is me bura mannay wali koi baat nahi hai

jistaran ap keh rahe hain kay in ko rookna mumlikat ki zimmay dari hai too mere bhai me bhi yahi keh raha hoon kay govt. ko chahiye kay inper banned lagaee ..koi kisi ko qatal nahi karr raha ..bas mutalba ye hai kay in per banned lagna chahiye

janab apkay akhir pera me apne jo kaha os ka sedha sa jawab hai kay kisi bhi non mulsim country me islam ki tableeg ki koi ejazat nahi hai or na hi esa koi law mojod hai..agar hai to bata dain??? wahan jo bhi musalmaan (tablegi jamat) wahan jatay hain wo sirf apne muslims ko tableeg kartay hain..

koi baat buri lagi hoto mafi chahta hoon
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janab apkay akhir pera me apne jo kaha os ka sedha sa jawab hai kay kisi bhi non mulsim country me islam ki tableeg ki koi ejazat nahi hai or na hi esa koi law mojod hai..agar hai to bata dain??? wahan jo bhi musalmaan (tablegi jamat) wahan jatay hain wo sirf apne muslims ko tableeg kartay hain..


jaisa kay apnay kaha kisi bhi non-muslim mulk main islam ya kisi bhi mazhab ki tableeq ki ijazat nahin hai usi tarah pakistan main bhi kisi mazhab bashamool islam ki tableeq ki ijazat nahin hai. same way kisi bhi ghair muslim mulk main mulk main islam ki tableeq par pabandi nahin hai usi tarah pakistan main bhi kisi mazhab bashamool islam ki tableeq par pabandi nahin hai.
meray bhai jab kisi qanoon main nam banam kisi bhi mazhab ki tableeq ki ijazat kahin nahin hoti. agar pabandi nahin hai tu uska matlab yehi hai kay ijazat hai.
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Islam 1 sacha mazhab hai isleye iski tableeq pori dunya me kaheen bhi ki ja sakti hai.. baqi saray mazhab jhoot per mabni hain...


Just think of religion as a person. There are many people in a room. Out of those people, I will talk about only 3 people. They are:

Islam
Christianity
Judaism (Jew)

All three of them say, that they are best, and the other two are fake and Allah, God, Lord only likes me.

A Muslim will know he is right and the other is on a wrong path.
A Christian will know that he is right and the other is on a wrong path.
A Jew will know that he is right and the other is on a wrong path.

Alhamdullilah I am a Muslim and I know in my heart in my self that I am right and the same way the other two people will also think the same that they are right and I am wrong.

Limit your religion to your ownself. Its should never be IMPOSED like a dictator, then it will be bad. It is what comes to you. Respect others to respect you. But if you will disrespect everyone and then expect to be respected, then its like living in a dream world. WAKE UP

Regards,

DJ

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