Is it True that the Koran allow marrige to prepubescent girl

I have heard this. Could some explane if this is true. And if not what verses are used to claim it?

(prepubescent - at the age immediately before puberty; often marked by accelerated growth)

The Divine Wisdom
enshrined in the Quran makes things so sensible. It sets up three rational
criteria:

1 - Sufficient maturity to grant consent.

2 - Ability to sign a legal contract.

3 - Competence to take care of one's own finances.

4:6 Train and educate the orphans well and test them. When they reach the age of marriage and attain sound judgment, release their
property to them. The marriageable age shall mean attainment of physical and
mental maturity when one can legally make a solemn contract (4:21). -----.

4:19 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! It is not lawful for you to
force women into marrying or holding on to them in marriage against their will.
--.

4:21 And how could you take the marital gift back from her after you have lived
intimately with each other and after she has taken from you a very Solemn Pledge
of the marital contract?

All this means that marriageable age is not merely attaining puberty.
Thanks

nice reply. to add to this. the age in years is not same in the whole world. some areas have 13yr for a girl to attain puberty. but areas like pakistan it is around 16yr or so.
this depends on the various factors.
but the main thing is that islam clearly defines that both should be able to understand and carry forward the marital life and its requirements.

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akaila is 100 % correct. Jazakallah Khair.

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nice reply

Akaila-

I just wonder how this criteria was fulfilled by Aisha at the age of 7 when
Muhammad married her?

1 - Sufficient maturity to grant consent.

2 - Ability to sign a legal contract.

3 - Competence to take care of one's own finances.

I also wonder why Muhammad had sex with Slaves without marriage when he had so many wives? Especially the black women slaves given to him as present .
One of them even gave birth to a boy which later died.

Why Muhammad allowed Muslims to rape women prisoners?

Why did Muhammed married his daughter in law when he already had so many wives?

Why did Muhammad marry the Jewish women same night he ordered the beheading of his husband and the whole tribe?

Is it not possible that Muhammad had not much choice but to marry an older women (Hadija was 40 ) when he was 25. Life in Arabia was very harsh in those days and women were regarded as old by the age of 40. Money was required to Marry which Muhammad had none
when he married Hadija. As Hadija was a Widow with a son almost the age of Muhammed, she was more than willing. It was common in those days for rich women to marry with younger men or have young slaves. He lived with Hadija until her death. After living with an old women for so long , during best years of his sexual life, he had resources, money and power to get any women he wanted in his later years after conquering Mecca. Why is it not logical that Muhammed liked/enjoyed sex and tried to get most of it in his later years. I mean he used to sleep with different wives every day of the week and even had slave girls. Is it not logical to assume that Muahmmed was not singing verses to these womens at night, but was having sex with them.

And it is nothing wrong with it. All rich and powerful people did the same in those days.
Muslims get so angry and annoyed when one talks about Muhammads sex life.
He was a rich and powerful man in his later years. He was not fond of Palaces or fancy clothes, but he seemed to be very fond of opposite sex, especially young and beautiful girls in his later years.

And as far as the truth is concerned the Criteria you mentioned is never fully applied among Muslims. I think it would be a great relief for Muslim women if the Criteria you mentioned was applied in letter and spirit.

Let me first say that it was a very good answer by akaila, very well done jazakALLAH khair.

Now let me be more direct and straightforward. Can you also tell us that was your post a question or an offense to Islam?

I wonder how people like you think that you know more about Islam than us?
Can you give a single authentic reference to the things you said in this post about Muhammas (SAW)?
Please don’t give me any references from some hindu, Christian, Jew writer and also not from someone generated by Indians to create a conflict such as salman rushdi or nasreen.

About Hazrat Aisha RA, I have already discussed in detail about this issue with someone else here:
http://www.forumpakistan.com/questions-or-confusions-of-non-muslims-about-muslims-in-t2449.html

The most important part of this thread is :

"Prophet Muhammad (SAW) married Hazrat Aishah at the age of 15, however she betrothed to Prophet Muhammad (SAW) at the age of 9 or 10, also note that betroth mean to engage or agree upon getting married but she was actually married at the age of 15 which is the age of maturity and adolescence."

So better read this thread carefully with open eyes. You will find satisfactory reasons to marry 4 women at a time, if you see prostitution in india or any other country of the world. Atleast marrying a woman gives proper respect to her, with a respectable life and society is not disoriented. This is the beauty of Islam; people who are deaf, dumb and blind would never understand because they dont want to.

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	I also wonder why Muhammad had sex with Slaves without marriage when he had so many wives? Especially the black women slaves given to him as present . One of them even gave birth to a boy which later died.

This is utterly wrong, Muhammad (SAW) never had sex out of marriage. Give me a single authentic reference, don’t just fire into the air. These are self made hindu concepts about Islam, in order to demonise Islam in subcontinent and you are trying to do the same.

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	Why Muhammad allowed Muslims to rape women prisoners?

This is wrong again, give me a single reference.

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	Why did Muhammed married his daughter in law when he already had so many wives?

What the heck are you talking about? He did not marry his daughter in law, again a black lie.

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	Why did Muhammad marry the Jewish women same night he ordered the beheading of his husband and the whole tribe?

Muhammad never married a jewish woman, this information have no base; again give us some authentic references.

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Is it not possible that Muhammad had not much choice but to marry an older women (Hadija was 40 ) when he was 25. Life in Arabia was very harsh in those days and women were regarded as old by the age of 40. Money was required to Marry which Muhammad had none.

when he married Hadija. As Hadija was a Widow with a son almost the age of Muhammed, she was more than willing. It was common in those days for rich women to marry with younger men or have young slaves. He lived with Hadija until her death. After living with an old women for so long , during best years of his sexual life, he had resources, money and power to get any women he wanted in his later years after conquering Mecca. Why is it not logical that Muhammed liked/enjoyed sex and tried to get most of it in his later years. I mean he used to sleep with different wives every day of the week and even had slave girls. Is it not logical to assume that Muahmmed was not singing verses to these womens at night, but was having sex with them.

I think this is the limit of disrespect, if you don’t know how to respect other religions then it is fair to declare you as an animal or more precisely a swine. Who would never use a single nerve to think but just eat poo.

Whatever you think or whatever you have said until now is baseless with no evidence. That is right that he married Khadija RA, and for your information Muhammad SAW did not propose her, it was Hazrat Khadija RA, who proposed Muhammad SAW; so Muhammad SAW was not after her money or power because he had no idea that he was going to be proposed by Khadija RA, so this answers your fallacious question.

About slaves, Muhammad SAW did have slaves but he never did any inappropriate thing with them. If that was the case, then you will see muslims of today having slaves in their homes without marriages.

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	And it is nothing wrong with it. All rich and powerful people did the same in those days. Muslims get so angry and annoyed when one talks about Muhammads sex life. He was a rich and powerful man in his later years. He was not fond of Palaces or fancy clothes, but he seemed to be very fond of opposite sex, especially young and beautiful girls in his later years.

Yes muslims get very angry on these comments the reason is that these comments come from no where but a dirty mind, if you have any valid comments with appropriate wordings used for the other religion so that you dont offend anyone; we will be more than happy to answer, but just splashing mud on other religion without any evidence or talking dirty about it is very easy.

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	And as far as the truth is concerned the Criteria you mentioned is never fully applied among Muslims. I think it would be a great relief for Muslim women if the Criteria you mentioned was applied in letter and spirit.

If this criteria is not applied by muslims then you can question muslim’s being good muslims or bad muslims but you cannot question the religion Islam because these criteria clearly show the best vision that a religion can have about anything and about marriage. Secondly, not all muslims apply the teachings of Islam, although teachings of Islam are for all human beings and if a group of muslims dont apply those teachings then the problem is with that group not the religion, religion is an absolute thing. You cannot judge a religion based on the followers of that religion; you judge a religion based on its teachings. and if you think the teachings are ok, then you start applying them yourself without caring about whether other muslims or followers apply those teachings or not.

Your post give me enough reason, to directly offend your religion and trust me I would know more about your religion than yourself, and if I behave just as you are behaving here you will be disgust of your own existence or at least your religion. I am trying to maintain a +ve atmosphere here. So please respect others to be respected. This is my first and last request.

i think RAPIDFLEX came here just to create problems.
as far the articles is concerned. His whole writing has no evidence at all. so he is biggest lier so far.
they dont even respect their very own Jesus Christ how can they respect Muhammad (SAW).
just see how the Bible says and how christians are doing. if u have any evidence i shall ask u bring here. as far Muhammad (SAW) is concerned, if u can read ur own Bible go and read. he is mentioned there. so tell me if ur Bible is wrong in referring to Muhammad (SAW). never Bible is never wrong but lier like u have been coming to speak against the Holy Prophet (SAW) but failed and just brought disgrace to themselves.

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ugwaraich:
In your reply to rapidflex you did not quote any sources either. No references to any Verses in
Quran or Hadith. I think you both are 2 faces of the same coin.

I will take the issues 1 by 1 with proper references. So if you like to reply do reply properly with references from Quran or Hadith.

I would also like to clarify that I do not believe in any Gods or religions so you do not have to think that I am writing this because I am against Islam or Muslims. My views on all religions are as follows:

"Faith may be defined briefly as an illogical belief in the occurence of the improbable. A man full of faith is simply one who has lost (or never had)the capacity for clear and realistic thought. Religion is regarded by the commom people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."

Coming back to Muhammad.

Muhammads marriage to his daughter in law?

Zaynab bint Jahsh was married to Muhammads adopted son Zayd bin Haritha. Muhammad
insisted on this marriage between Zayd and Zaynab (Qur'an 33:36).
Shortly afterwards Zayd separated from Zaynab, according to Muslim historaian "Abu jaffar Muhammad bin Jair al-Tabari (839-923), one day Muahmmad was talking to Aisha when "a fainting overcame him". He then smiled and asked , " will you go to Zaynab to tell her the good news, saying that God has married her to me?"
Muhammad then recited the revelation Allah had given him, scolding him for being concerned about what people might thiand and thus refusing to marry Zaynab
(Qur'an 33:37). So Muhammad took Zaynab as his wife, protected by a direct revelation from Allah.

English translation of Sura regarding Muhammads marriage to Zaynab:
"And when you said to him to whom Allah had shown favor and to whom you had shown a favor: Keep your wife to yourself and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; and you concealed in your soul what Allah would bring to light, and you feared men, and Allah had a greater right that you should fear Him. But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed. There is no harm in the Prophet doing that which Allah has ordained for him; such has been the course of Allah with respect to those who have gone before; and the command of Allah is a decree that is made absolute: S. 33:37-38
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If you know anything about Islam "ugwaraich" then reply properly with references from Quran or Hadith. And in case you quote from Hadith limit yourself to "Shahih Buhkari".

I hope there are lots of Muslims on this forum who have better knowledge of Quran and Hadith, and I hope they also write to you, informing you, that you "ugwaraich" are just a crazy person shouting on the forum without any proper knowledge of Islam.

Muslims are very uncomfortable with this issue. Lately some of them try to evade this issue, or do not accept Hadith in this regard. Most of Islamic Scholars agree that
Aisha was engaged to Muhammed when she was six or seven years old. And the marriage
was consummated when she was 9 years old.
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Narrated 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old. Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih Muslim 8:3310
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There are a number of sources, all written by Muslims, that detail Muhammad's marriage and consummation with his young child-bride - Aisha. FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH BUKHARI I have used Bukhari's Hadith, translated into English by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, at the Islamic University in Medina. Bukhari's Hadith is considered authentic by the majority of Sunni Islamic scholars. It is second to the Quran in terms of importance. The central figure to approve and sign the translation is Dr. Amin Al-Masri, Ph.D. Cambridge University. He is the Advisor and Head of the Sharia Dept., at the College of Sharia and Islamic Studies in Mecca. From Bukhari vol. 7, #65: "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)."" Bukhari vol. 7, #88: "Narrated Urwa: "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)."" Bukhari vol. 5, #234 says: "Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age." FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH MUSLIM VOLUME 2, #3309 FROM THE HADITH OF THE SUNAN OF ABU DAWUD Abu Dawud's Hadith is the third most respected Hadith in Islam. From Abu Dawud, Vol. 2, #2116: "Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old." FROM THE HISTORY OF TABARI Tabari wrote the most authentic Islamic history. It covers 39 volumes. Tabari was one of the greatest Islamic scholars and the greatest Islamic Historian. From Tabari, volume 7, page7: "....my marriage (to Muhammad) was consummated when I was nine....." From Tabari, volume 9, page 131 "Then the men and women got up and left. The Messenger of God consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me"......(The Prophet) married her three years before the Emigration, when she was seven years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, after he had emigrated to Medina in Shawwal. She was eighteen years old when he died. NOTE FROM SAHIH MUSLIM Sahih Muslim, #5981 says that Aisha was so young that she played with her dolls in her house with her friends.
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"ugwaraich" when you come with a proper reply to this I will move to the other points.
But as we are having a proper discussion so give references from "Quran" and "Hadith"
(Sahih Bukhari or Muslim). Knowledgeable Muslims on this forum will not accept that you
come with your own version of historical Islam, or outright lies without any reference to Quran or Hadith.

Muhammad had both female and male slaves. Female slaves he received as gift, or as his
share of the booty of the wars.

Following is a list on which most historians and scholars agree:
Female slaves
1)Safiyya bint Huyayy, according to Islamic account she adopted Islam and became a wife of Muhammad. She lived more than a decade after him as a widow and became involved in the first power politics of the early Muslim community and left a large inheritance to her Jewish family.
2)Maria al-Qibtiyya, a Coptic slave given to Muhammad by a Byzantine official. She gave birth to Ibrahim ibn Muhammad whom Muhammad loved dearly. According to some Islamic accounts, she was Muhammad's wife, and therefore a "Mother of the Believers" (Arabic: Umm-al-Momineen), other sources like Ibnul Qayyim talk about her being only a concubine.
Maria never remarried after Muhammad's death in 632, and died five years later
3)Sirin, Maria's sister. He gave her to the poet Hassan ibn Thabit who later freed and married her.
4)Rayhana bint Zayd. Captured after siege of Banu Quraiza. [6]

Male slaves
Zayd ibn Haritha. Zayd was freed to become Muhammad's adopted son, until adoption was forbidden by Islam the prophet became his guardian.

The major juristic schools of Islam have historically accepted the institution of slavery. Muhammad and those of his companions who could afford it themselves owned slaves, freed many, and some of them acquired more from prisoners of war

Maria (Maria al-Qibtiyya) in Muhammad's household
Many Muslim sources say that Muhammad later freed and married Maria, but it is not clear if this is historical fact or historical apology. To further complicate matters, slaves were to be automatically freed upon conversion to Islam, so it is not clear why Maria would have to be explicitly freed if she had already converted.

Muhammad lived in a mud-brick dwelling next to the Medina mosque, and each of his wives had her own mud-brick room, built in a line next to his. Maria, however, was lodged in a house on the edge of Medina. Maria is also not listed as a wife in some of the earliest sources, such as Ibn Hisham's notes on Ibn Ishaq's Sira. Muslim sources are unanimous in saying that she was accorded the same honor and respect given Muhammad's wives, pointing out that she was given the same title as Muhammad's wives – "Mother of the Believers."

Maria bore Muhammad a son, Ibrahim ibn Muhammad. Only one other of Muhammad's wives, the deceased Khadijah, had borne him children. Ibrahim died in infancy, but as long as he lived. Muhammad's attentions to Maria certainly caused dissension among his other wives. What is not so clear is whether or not the sixty-sixth chapter of the Qur'an, surah At-Tahrim, was revealed on account of Maria. The sura reads, in part:

O Prophet, why do you make prohibited that which God has made lawful for you just to please your wives? God is forgiving and merciful. God has given absolution from such oaths. He is your master. He is all-knowing and wise. The Prophet made a story secret to one of his wives and she repeated it, but God revealed it to him. If he divorces you, perhaps his Lord will give him instead better wives than yourselves.
—Qur'an, 66:1–5

Women and children/Prisoners of wars

Muslim scholars hold that women and children prisoners of war cannot be killed under any circumstances, regardless of their faith,[19] but that they may be enslaved, freed or ransomed. Women who are neither freed nor ransomed by their people were to be kept in bondage and referred to as ma malakat aymanukum (slaves).

O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. [Qur'an 33:50]

Muslims during the time of Muhammad thought that they had the right to have sex with captured women without marrying them. Because of the following sentence in the Surah mentioned above:
"We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess"