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zabasi
Pak Newbie
Joined: 10 May 2008 Posts: 3
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| Is it really important to restore dismissed Judges!? |
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Yes it is vital to have free and independent Judiciary in Pakistan, just like free and fair media, just like transparent and effective law enforcement agencies, just like transparent and accountable governance system and Just like a MIGHTY PAK ARMY that should be transparent and open to public scrutiny for itīs accounts and deeds.
We should not forget why this very day Pakistan has a elected prime minister and democratic government (with itīs defects i.e. Musharaf) . Lawyers and Justices have played their part in triggering the change, though we should never never forget the price we have paid for it. Benazir Bhutto has given her life to end the one of the most brutal Military regime in the history of Pakistan and this world. Without her sacrifice we will still be struggling with Emergency measure, media curbs, massive torture and arrests and of course the mood of army generals.
Issue of judges should be dealt on itīs merit and judges should be restored in a legal and legitimate manner, if that means to keep the present jusdges, then so be it. Letīs not make this issue that will determine the absolute future of Pakistan. Remember what we need is overall revival of Judiciary from top to bottom, and that we can not achieve in one day.
I was reading yesterday that 60000 people from Bugti and Muree tribes have fled during last couple of years from their towns and villages due to Military operation, refugee in their own Provence. Not to mention Waziristan and Sawat.
Pakistan Faces serious challenges. Electricity shortage, Inflation, food shortage and shaky economic fundamentals do not have easy and quick fix. Lestīs not forget about all these monuments challenges Sad
Regards
Zabasi
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| Sat May 10, 2008 2:13 am |
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Alex9090
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Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 917
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Well Put matey.
One thing is though that without the judges issue there wudnt ve been any election. I ve heard media specially western media giving all the credit of election to Benazeer but i strongly believe without CJ standing up to musharaf election wudnt have happened.
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| Sat May 10, 2008 7:23 am |
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tufail_74
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Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 70 Location: Saudi Arabia |
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so far ppl have never been able to explain that only these very deposed judges,who enjoyed 5 yrs with musharraf like PML-Q did and when their own power were taken away they became the angels. wht they were doing before. they r the ones who gave indemnity to musharraf. even till start of 2007 they were supporting fully the musharraf regime.
the justice has been on sale in pakistan under this very mr. justice iftikhar ch. wht he has done for that. nothing dear, he has done nothing. so why to support him.
yes the justice department should be strong not the ppl. he was more interested in pointing fingers to govt. of sindh instead of bringing in reforms in his very own department.
judges r corrupt but he never brought a single judge to the justice. he was there just for a game of power.
now only for himself, he has brought pakistan to a very unstable position. i am not saying that musharraf is all right but all r responsible for the situation. not just musharraf.
if u reply, pl reply point by point not just any general type of reply.
as far elections r concerned, this it 100% credit of benazi bhutto. the election was already have to be held as musharraf had no other way to satisfy the world. this was only BB who supported election when all of the parties incl. PML-N was boy-cotting elections.
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| Sat May 10, 2008 12:01 pm |
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zabasi
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Joined: 10 May 2008 Posts: 3
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Totally agree with you Tufail!
The group led by CJ Iftikhar and present CJ both have taken the oath under POC and have had strengthen Musharaf over time. Though, there is a slight difference if we take into account the political environment in Pakistan at swearing in of two chief Justices.
Denial Of CJ Iftikhar to continue the long tradition in Pakistani politics i,e. give in to the military powers has broken a chain. The decision (aside from personal motivation he might had) has given Pakistani people to think about a society that we live in! In other words he has exposed the vulnerability of Pakistani awam to the institution, powerful men in uniform and corrupt politicians.
I am an optimistic person! I believe the change professed by Lawyers movement could result in something good. I believe people can change, and together we can change the system.
AS far as Gerneral was going to hold the election to satisfy the international community, TRUE, but what kind of elections? Election that would give a sustainable power to PML-Q (Musharaf) to continue their disastrous politics (if you could call it that) and take Pakistan to the point of no return. Murder of Benazir ensured the relatively fair election.
Regards
Zabasi
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| Sat May 10, 2008 3:32 pm |
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tufail_74
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Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 70 Location: Saudi Arabia |
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yaar u know there was a deal between BB & musharraf so it was sure that next PM was to be BB but Allah had made some other decisions. PML-Q was not coming to power.
If PML-Q had enuf grounds in pakistan then musharraf would not have talked to BB, whome he had been claiming to be security risk.
also BB had very good name in the world so the game was set. only few incidents made it a bit different than it was planned.
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| Sat May 10, 2008 4:45 pm |
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humghal
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Joined: 19 Mar 2008 Posts: 8
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No, we are well of without them. No one is realizing that it will be a chaos after restoring those judges.
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| Sat May 10, 2008 7:00 pm |
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tafman
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Joined: 16 Mar 2008 Posts: 6
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Is there any thing else in the Pakistani Politics other than Judges and Judges. A year ago Pakistan was on the top of the list of prefered countries to invest but now people are taking out their money to invest in other countries. This year alone foreign investment has gone down by over fifty persent. Inflation has never been as high in the last twenty five years. Famalies are unable to feed their children, People can not afford to go to doctors or buy medicines. There is no drinking water for 70% population. People are commiting suicides for economic reasons.
You are looking for justice courts? Do you think people who can not afford to feed their children can afford to go to court for justice? You ask these lawyers who have behaved like huligans on the roads if they have ever represented a vicitom for justice without a fee.
99.9 % answer will be negative.
Finally, just look at the make-up of these politicans. These are the same Nawabs, Sardars and Wadaras who have been dominating the country in the name democracy. 
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| Tue May 13, 2008 7:52 pm |
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kewcars
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Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 1
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I dont think that the restoration of judges should be the top priority of the current government. Our country is facing bigger problems than that. eg... electricity..food prices..., The govt should be solving these problems first because these thing directly affect the people of the country
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| Tue May 13, 2008 8:09 pm |
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tufail_74
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Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 70 Location: Saudi Arabia |
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tafman u r quite rite. neither pakistani nation will get something frm these so-called guardiansof justice nor they have to do anything with the benefit of pakistan.
they r just playing game of power. they just pretend that they r the most pious persons but, in reality, they r same like politician of pakistan.
we have hundreds of other problem that can make life of a common person better but our politician r just exploiting the nation in the name of justice.
before one person for responsible of 8yrs of problems in pakistan now again we have problems frm another person. if Nawaz leaves iftikhar and start goin forward and stop the ways to let army come into power, things will b better but he is just playing the politics of a real opposition though he is in power.
he is just making zardari the real villain so that he can get more votes in the next elections. if he is positive only 1% in pakistani nation, he will now start positively but he will never dear.
this is just a game power not anything else.
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