Indian Pakistan

i m also agreed in dubai ther r lot of indians..batt indians ya pakistani ki nahe hay. india may gurbet itni haykay woh log forign ki terf migrate kerty hien. bechary kay bhi kiya . any way India paksitan say 4 time big country hay . ratio wide dekha jaye to is may proud ki bat nahi hay. itni humari population hoti to hum bhe her counrty my ziyada nazer atty. bara teer mara kay indianz her jaga per hay. samjh ayi mery bahyee. ya aur samjhaoon.
aur rahii bat Aid ki . to indianz daramo may bhi to pakistani Aids chalty thy. bhool gay star plus to chalta hi Paki Aids per tha.
bus itna kafi hay

ali_dada wrote:

Funny how the two persons above me carry a holier than thou attitude.

In Canada, it is extremely common to come across Indian labourers and Indians involved in odd jobs. There are also many Indian families living here who are struggling financially. Suprisingly, the Pakistani-Canadian community is over all in much better financial position than their Indian counterparts. Therefore, before you know the reality, please don't generalize. Things are different depending on where you live.

As for the Indian advertisements on this website, the poor Indian chaps fail to realize that the advertisers are simply scanning this webpage for the content and then showing related advertisements. Unfortunately even on many Pakistani websites you don't see Pakistan advertisements as almost all South Asian companies advertising are Indians and thus you again see Indian ads. Well forget it, don't bother you feeble minds with this technical mumbo jumbo.

As per Urdu, yes there is a future in Pakistan for the language, it defines Pakistan and creates a strong cultural connection of Pakistan with Indian muslims, Afghanis, and to a lower extent, to non-muslim India. The trick is to realize that we don't need to speak English or make English our primary language. Urdu needs to be promoted and polished further. There are many, much better economies than Pakistan who speak their own unique language and still get the contracts and investment. Just take a look at South Korea, Poland, and Japan...who speaks Korean, Polish, and Japanese outside of these countries?

Finally, salman bhai, I don't know what you are thinking, granted that it is true that majority of desis who are in high-tech or well paid positions are Indians but that is just due to the Indian population. I have known countless Indians and even more Pakistanis and believe me, in every field you are guaranteed to find an odd Pakistani who tops his/her Indian counterparts...atleast this has been my experience with regards to Electrical Engineering and Computer Science.

Besides, noor.yours and salmank can keep on taking pride in their India. Yet they are forgetting a critical thing which makes them burn inside (and thus the reason they hang around here):

Indians are understood to be hindus while Pakistanis are understood to be muslims.

Allah Hafiz.

very well said, realistic and good thinking. I also belong to the field of engineering and I have experienced exactly same here in UK about the talent and in some cases I felt otherwise, i-e Pakistanis have been top students amongst indian pupils, despite having such a large population, the proportion of clever and talented pupils is very low in india as compared to Pak, I am not boasting about it, and the only reason I didnt say this before because I dont feel like saying anything like this; thats where the difference lie between Pakistanis and indians, if they discover how to make a small cracker they start jumping with pride and tell every single person on this earth, and my suggestion to such indians is if you spend this bragging time in something useful you might discover a bomb, a stage ahead of a cracker:).

cant we just get above countries and discuss the issues faced by humanity

	hz_minhas wrote:
	cant we just get above countries and discuss the issues faced by humanity

just check who started this discussion, secondly, when you say humanity, you dont see anyone else being killed or terrorised but muslims, so only muslims fall into the sub category of humanity who are being oppressed and killed on the name of religion, all other humans are in peace and having a good time. So, lets talk about humanity.

@noor.yours:

You have a mental problem my friend.

Are ugaraich bhai kis duniya me rahte ho. May be you saw UK in khwabs or a city is named as UK in Pakistan.

Read this-

1)
http://www.jrf.org.uk/pressroom/releases/300407.asp

"...research highlights the differences between minority ethnic groups with 65% of Bangladeshis living in poverty compared to 55% of Pakistanis, 45% of Black Africans and 30% of Indians."

2)
http://www.literacytrust.org.uk/Database/STATS/EALstats.html

Percentage of pupils in the UK gaining five or more grade A*- C at GCSE in 2005:

Indian - 70.1
Pakistan - 43.2
African - 48.3
Chinese -81
Bangladeshi - 52.7

Please note carefully above that PAKISTANIS ARE WORSE THAN AFRICANS and (poor) Bangladeshis plesantly much ahead of Pakis.

Save these links before some administrator-type deletes these moments of truth.

Please send some evidence in your support about Canada - Jang/Dawn ya local urdu paper ki hi link bhej do bhai. Hawa me baat karne se kya haasil hoga.

allah hafiz

Here is the a part of your replies to my mail please copy paste from here to save your typing time-

"... all such statistics are motivated and can not be relied upon. Many times it is funded by Indian companies to falsely promote image of India abroad."

or

"...the institutions conducting such research are manipulating data to defame Islam and pakistanis because West can not tolerate the only nuclear muslim power in the world"

or

"... in my personal experience from living in UK/Dubai for xx years, I have seen many Indians as a labour class working under a Pakistani head."

salmank1 wrote:

Are ugaraich bhai kis duniya me rahte ho. May be you saw UK in khwabs or a city is named as UK in Pakistan.

Read this-

1)
http://www.jrf.org.uk/pressroom/releases/300407.asp

"...research highlights the differences between minority ethnic groups with 65% of Bangladeshis living in poverty compared to 55% of Pakistanis, 45% of Black Africans and 30% of Indians."

2)
http://www.literacytrust.org.uk/Database/STATS/EALstats.html

Percentage of pupils in the UK gaining five or more grade A*- C at GCSE in 2005:

Indian - 70.1
Pakistan - 43.2
African - 48.3
Chinese -81
Bangladeshi - 52.7

Please note carefully above that PAKISTANIS ARE WORSE THAN AFRICANS and (poor) Bangladeshis plesantly much ahead of Pakis.

Save these links before some administrator-type deletes these moments of truth.

Please send some evidence in your support about Canada - Jang/Dawn ya local urdu paper ki hi link bhej do bhai. Hawa me baat karne se kya haasil hoga.

allah hafiz

I think you have serious problem with your reading skills, I used the word PROPORTION, read my post again lad.I talked about intelligence in UK in terms of proportion, I did not talk about poverty yet. Poverty should be compared as a whole(nationals all over the world) just as intelligence, so proportionally if you see the figures india is far behind in intelligence and well ahead in poverty; You are giving absolute figures which clearly reflects the level of indian population. Also this is not a rocket science, nor are these fundamental principles of gravity, its my personal observation and opinion. lol, I dont know about GCSE's also GCSEs is not a criterion to check the intelligence, its the higher level education.

Last edited by ugwaraich on Wed May 07, 2008 4:20 am; edited 2 times in total

As a matter of fact, I cannot understand why indians come over to Pakistani forums and start boasting about their economy. Mind you! the three main forces that are perpetuating your economy and your country's growth are:

1) Population of indians
2) Population of indians
3) Population of indians

and if you see the phenomenon closely, population growth is perpetuating Poverty and when there is an increase of Poverty there is more competition and people become labours for less money or people they do more work for less money which finally boosts the economy, this is just one aspect of coutry's growht, there are loads of other factors. But anyways, india is growing just as China has been growing based on their population.

World is again going through ups and downs just as india is travelling uphill towards the peak of its economy and prosperity, soon you'll touch the point of inflection and start facing the downhill journey. So better concentrate and put all your energies in your own country, your own forums, your own society better not pull the legs of Pakistanis. As far as our knowledge is concerned we know everything what is happening in the world, perhaps better than indians.

bhai ugarwaich, you managed to confuse and did not use my suggested reply - well done.

1. Where are external links to prove your point?

2. On which criterion/measure, do you want links to external studies from me to prove that Indians are much ahead of Pakistanis on proportional basis.

The figures which i quoted above are proportions - not absolute numbers as you thought.

No worries about my intelligence and no comments on yours!!

Happy fishing around to prove yourself.

AH

salmank1 wrote:

bhai ugarwaich, you managed to confuse and did not use my suggested reply - well done.

1. Where are external links to prove your point?

2. On which criterion/measure, do you want links to external studies from me to prove that Indians are much ahead of Pakistanis on proportional basis.

The figures which i quoted above are proportions - not absolute numbers as you thought.

No worries about my intelligence and no comments on yours!!

Happy fishing around to prove yourself.

AH

I suggest you to read my posts again with open eyes, cuz you are repeating your statements. Secondly I didnt even read your suggested replies, cuz I know where you were coming from, I only replied to your first post. But anyways,

1) I am not sick to start looking for links to prove my point to you because I dont want to
2) I am not a retard who would entertain every other random person here coming up with illogical reasons or proof
3) Not all internet links are reliable, and once I bring those links as references you will not acknowledge them because you dont want to accept the truth, then there will be a new debate on the reliability of those links

OK, lets just say for the sake of your life, that indians are far better than Pakistanis in every field. I guess this gives you ample amount of energy to live all your life. All I am saying is to "live and let live"

And by the way, on this topic and answering salman's previous post which I just came across recently, Urdu is the legacy of Muslims of subcontinent, it is not just the legacy of muslims in india, Urdu is Pakistan's national language which means it is an official language of Paksitani muslims, I know muslim indians speak urdu but you cannot simply say that only indian muslims are the ones who took part in the making of this language. Muslims all over the world are a single body, muslims on the other side of the border i-e in india are also our brothers and we have a common language, those who crossed the border to Pakistan during partition they had a major stake in Urdu literature and Pakistani muslims ofcourse have a huge and massive stake in Urdu literature because Urdu has been able to grow/propagate/ flourish as a national language, while in india it has been suppressed by hindi, because of hindu majority.

Well said ugwaraich. i m totally agreed about this discussion. pehli baat yeh hay kay india ki population itni ziyada hay kay woh her country may survive ker rahay hein. obviouslly itny bandy india may thori rahy gay. ab is baat per proudly kehna hum her jaga hein. etc etc. yeh koye baroi baat na howei. india pakistan say 5 time big cuntry hay . yeh cobination to na howi na. ager ratio wise dekhy jaye to result is clear..
any way may rqwaraich ki eik baat ka jawab dena chaoon ga. kay indianz ki purani addet hay paksitani caht room may ya forum may guss jaaty hine aur pakistaniuoon say panga letty hien. why caze yhe cheap herkat in ko wersy say milli hein.

Reehab sahab,
mai ek indian hun or mai aapke chait room me dakhil ho chuka hun ,lekin janab ,mai koi panga lene or aapko pareshan krne ke khyaal se nahi aaya.bas apne padosi ke gar me aaya hun..........
ab aaki marji hai .........
chahe to apne is bin bulaye padosi ko nikaal dijye ya phir kuchh thanda garam ka intzaam kr lijiye........
lassi ka ek pura galas pine ki chahat liye aaya hun.........
aapkaa
padosi

_________________
doston,
mai vikas hun,aapke pados me rahta hun or aaplogon ke saat aana chahta hun......

jyoti wrote:

Reehab sahab,
mai ek indian hun or mai aapke chait room me dakhil ho chuka hun ,lekin janab ,mai koi panga lene or aapko pareshan krne ke khyaal se nahi aaya.bas apne padosi ke gar me aaya hun..........
ab aaki marji hai .........
chahe to apne is bin bulaye padosi ko nikaal dijye ya phir kuchh thanda garam ka intzaam kr lijiye........
lassi ka ek pura galas pine ki chahat liye aaya hun.........
aapkaa
padosi

vikas, this post is the most +ve post I have ever read from an indian. You are most welcome here, no one is going to throw you out of this forum. Only people who bring trouble here to talk about nasty issues they deserve to be bashed whether they are from india, china, iran or afghanistan. We are friends with friendly people. Anyways enjoy your time here.

sajiya ji,
namste...
maine aapke vichar padhe,padh ke achha laga.
agr mai indian hun or mujhe apne vaatan se pyar hai to aapko bhi apni country se mohabaat hogi.....
jahan tk urdu or hindi ka savaal hai to mai kahna chahunga,ham saath sath hain .......
khhuda-haafiz
aapka padosi

_________________
doston,
mai vikas hun,aapke pados me rahta hun or aaplogon ke saat aana chahta hun......

"vikas, this post is the most +ve post I have ever read from an indian. You are most welcome here, no one is going to throw you out of this forum. Only people who bring trouble here to talk about nasty issues they deserve to be bashed whether they are from india, china, iran or afghanistan. We are friends with friendly people. Anyways enjoy your time here."

shukriya dhanybaad......[/b]

_________________
doston,
mai vikas hun,aapke pados me rahta hun or aaplogon ke saat aana chahta hun......

jyoti wrote:

Reehab sahab,
mai ek indian hun or mai aapke chait room me dakhil ho chuka hun ,lekin janab ,mai koi panga lene or aapko pareshan krne ke khyaal se nahi aaya.bas apne padosi ke gar me aaya hun..........
ab aaki marji hai .........
chahe to apne is bin bulaye padosi ko nikaal dijye ya phir kuchh thanda garam ka intzaam kr lijiye........
lassi ka ek pura galas pine ki chahat liye aaya hun.........
aapkaa
padosi

Oh wellcome ji. hum parosiuoon kay sath acha hi slook kerty hien ager woh acha ho to kiya baat hay .but jub koyee aker intrupt kary aru esi wessi baat kary gussa to aye ga na. btu according urs attitude pannchoon ungliyan kabhi bhi baraber nahi hotti app jessy achy log hoon to hum phir dostoon kay dost bhi hien. dosti nibahan janty hien. and wellc ome again lassi chal jaye gi

ugwaraich wrote:

Sangeeta, it could have been other way round that India much resembles with Pakistan Wink

, anyways Urdu is far more different than hindi, although it is similar to hindi in only oral conversation, but most words we use in Urdu are typical and hindi speaking people don’t get those words, same goes to some hindi words which we can’t understand, also these two languages are cent percent unlike in writing. So Urdu and Hindi are two languages poles apart.
Now it is a shame that Pakistanis watch India movies, there is no question that you can distance yourself from Indians until you give respect to your self and the conscience of people of Pakistan awakes to preserve their own identity. Indian movies are probably the most destructive bomb that has been dropped by India on our country.
Also FYI, shalwar Kameez is not an Indian dress, it is the muslim version of Indian dress. The hindu dress is somewhat Gandhi used to wear and also the (tight) choori daar paijamas with sherwani on top. Only muslims of India used to wear Shalwar Kameez.
I don’t think there is any harm to carry names from parts of India, it doesn’t make any difference.
But again it is a big stain on Pakistani culture that some uncivilised people still carry forward the caste system, but I am hoping that as education level in Pakistan rises this part of our social life is going to fade away pretty soon.
Cricket is the game introduced by Brits in subcontinent, so playing cricket doesn’t make Pakistan and India same, otherwise you could have said that because Australians play the same game so India and Pak are same as Australians.

In Pakistan there are a number of Indian Pakistanis (which we call muhajir) who migrated from Indian part of land to Pakistani, so I suppose they can be called Indian Pakistanis, but people who have their ancestors and forefathers from Paki land they are pure Pakis and they are far in majority than emigrant indian Pakis.

I think the basic thing that differentiates us from Indians is again the Ideology of Pakistan (why Pakistan was formed?) which comes down to the fact of religion. So, religion which is major part of our lives in Pakistan reminds us of these differences, only if wepractice it and stop watching those vulgar Indian movies and for that you need to shake up your conscience, waky waky Wink

namste bhai jan,
aapka ye kahna ki alag pakistan aapko apne alag hone ki yaad dilata hai.........
bhai,is duniya me raha raha har insan ek dusre se alag hai,har kisi ki alag pahchan hai or rahi baat indian movies ke vular hone ki to bhai mai kahna chahunga ki kuchh had tk aap sahi hain bt ye yaad rakhen ki jise ham or aap vulgar movies katen hai use dekhne vaale log har jagh hai chahe vo india,pakistan ho ya phir or koi country..............

_________________
doston,
mai vikas hun,aapke pados me rahta hun or aaplogon ke saat aana chahta hun......

reehab wrote:

i m also agreed in dubai ther r lot of indians..batt indians ya pakistani ki nahe hay. india may gurbet itni haykay woh log forign ki terf migrate kerty hien. bechary kay bhi kiya . any way India paksitan say 4 time big country hay . ratio wide dekha jaye to is may proud ki bat nahi hay. itni humari population hoti to hum bhe her counrty my ziyada nazer atty. bara teer mara kay indianz her jaga per hay. samjh ayi mery bahyee. ya aur samjhaoon.
aur rahii bat Aid ki . to indianz daramo may bhi to pakistani Aids chalty thy. bhool gay star plus to chalta hi Paki Aids per tha.
bus itna kafi hay

reehab bhi,
aslaam-vaale-qoom
likhne me kuchh ghalati ho gai ho to sorry.
or kaise hain ?
mai nahi janta ki aap kisko jabav de rahe hin bt bhai jan,
ek indian hone ke nate mai to chaht hun ki hamara padosi khub taraki kare,aage badhe or ye sachchai hai ki aap or ham saath sath age badh bhi to rahe hain...........
meri to khhuda se y hin dua mangta hun ki ham sb khub tadaki karen or karrenge bhi..........
aamin.............
mere lassi ko mat bhuliyega .............
khhuda-hafiz

_________________
doston,
mai vikas hun,aapke pados me rahta hun or aaplogon ke saat aana chahta hun......

	ali_dada wrote:
	@noor.yours: You have a mental problem my friend.

bhai jan,
jb ham kisi mudde pr bahas kr rahe hote hai to kabhi kabhi mahaol garma bhi jata hai bt aapne jis kisi bhi dost ke liye is comentes ka istmal kiya hai vo kahin se sahi nahi hai...........
agar koi hamari baat se itifaq nahi rakhta ya alag sochta hai ya kuchh bhi......
aise commentes............
kabhi bhi nahi...............
sorry bhi aapko lag raha hoga ki mai apko updes de raha hun bt bhai, aisa kuchh bhi nahi hai........
mujhe jo galat laga maine uske baare me aapko batlaya hai...............

_________________
doston,
mai vikas hun,aapke pados me rahta hun or aaplogon ke saat aana chahta hun......

reehab wrote:

jyoti wrote:

Reehab sahab,
mai ek indian hun or mai aapke chait room me dakhil ho chuka hun ,lekin janab ,mai koi panga lene or aapko pareshan krne ke khyaal se nahi aaya.bas apne padosi ke gar me aaya hun..........
ab aaki marji hai .........
chahe to apne is bin bulaye padosi ko nikaal dijye ya phir kuchh thanda garam ka intzaam kr lijiye........
lassi ka ek pura galas pine ki chahat liye aaya hun.........
aapkaa
padosi

Oh wellcome ji. hum parosiuoon kay sath acha hi slook kerty hien ager woh acha ho to kiya baat hay .but jub koyee aker intrupt kary aru esi wessi baat kary gussa to aye ga na. btu according urs attitude pannchoon ungliyan kabhi bhi baraber nahi hotti app jessy achy log hoon to hum phir dostoon kay dost bhi hien. dosti nibahan janty hien. and wellc ome again lassi chal jaye gi

tb batlaiye kb aa jaun lassi pine ...............

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doston,
mai vikas hun,aapke pados me rahta hun or aaplogon ke saat aana chahta hun......

How come u write all that Green eyes?

The two Ambani brothers can buy 100 percent of every company listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE) and would still be left with $30 billion to spare:

http://jsbi.blogspot.com/2008/02/india-in-eyes-of-pakistani-journalist.html

	arzoohai wrote:
	How come u write all that Green eyes?

Arzoo according urs quetion when u want Quote the post so u seeing the option above the person in last line so u just click Quote so automatically u reply his/her psots.