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	Are you saying it is not desire of every Pakistani? The beauty is in diversity of our 2 cultures that is why India chose to be secular.

Power Bro let me first explain to you the definition of a Secular state

"A secular state is a state with no state religion and in which the state is neutral in matters of religion, neither supporting nor opposing any particular religious beliefs or practices. "

Now I wont argue with you if India is a secular state I will again provide you some figures compiled by an indian.

"The Indian government has committed terrorism against its own minorities. It has murdered over 250,000 Sikh infants, children, youth, men, women, and elderly since 1984, as well as more than 300,000 Christians in Nagaland, over 90,000 Muslims in Kashmir, tens of thousands of Christians and Muslims throughout the country, and tens of thousands of Assamese, Bodos, Dalits, Manipuris, Tamils, and other minorities. A report by the Movement Against State Repression (MASR) states that 52,268 Sikhs are being held as political prisoners in India without charge or trial, mostly under a repressive law known as the “Terrorist and Disruptive Activities Act” (TADA), which expired in 1995. Many have been in illegal custody since 1984! There has been no list published of those who were acquitted under TADA and those who are still rotting in Indian jails. Tens of thousands of other minorities are also being held as political prisoners, according to Amnesty International."

In Feb 2002 about 2,500 Muslims were killed in Gujrat rites and countless women were raped. Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi's once trusted lieutenant Govardhan Zadaphia, home minister during the Gujarat riots, has spoken openly that he was following the chief minister's orders during the infamous riots of 2002. Zadaphia while talking to NDTV admits responsibility of mass killing but he says he just followed Modi's order. Trust me brother in the whole 60 years we have not killed about 10% of this in Pakistan just because they were Hindus? And believe me the 1998 census recorded 2,443,614 Hindus in Pakistan.

Look at another article
"Booker Prize winning author and activist Arundhati Roy stunned an audience in New York on Sunday night when she told them pointblank that “India is not a democratic country”.

“The biggest PR myth of all times is that India is a democracy. In reality, it is not. There is no real democracy in India. Several States are on the verge of civil war. Challenging the views of New York Times columnist Tom Friedman praising India, a democracy of a billion population, for conducting peaceful elections year after year, she said, ‘‘He probably needs a new tour of India… Does Thomas know that in Kashmir Valley alone, some 80,000 people have been killed? In Iraq, there are 1,50,000 military personnel, whereas in Kashmir Valley there are some 7,00,000.’’

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	That implies stuburness of Jinnah and what did we get for that ? 50 years of fighting? After all All the people in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh are going to live in the same area anyway why can't we live in harmony and we do that we can challenge any power in Asia China or Russia or even in the world. Can you imagine the influence it will give to people of India-Pakistan?

We dont deny the fact that we should live in harmony but you switch so quick from living in harmony to live under one state. Living like good neighbors is acceptable but India, Pakistan and Bangladesh being a single country is a fool's paradise.

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	Kashmir was separate independent state from British India and decision of King of Kashmir to join Indian union had nothing to do with basis of Parition of India which was based on areas with muslim majority to become Pakistan and Hindu majority to become India. UN or any other government has no business to pass any resolution of plebiscite or other wise.

Make a correction, he was not a King but was Mahraja Gulab Singh a dogra traitor who bought it for 85 lakh rupees. People of Kashmir were never allowed to take a decision. If Kashmir is your Attoot Aang bravo you have to put a military of 7,000,00 to keep it Attoot? We all know India does not care about the International resolutions but in a civilized world international disputes are settled by International bodies. Infact it was you who claimed that Indian Govt respects the international laws.

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	India had to do that for balance of Power so China does not play any mischief.

But in your earlier comments you said you dont have any alliance at all?

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	India has no choice but to maintain large army because they have to worry about even bigger army of China in addition to their cousins Pakistan army. It is large country so it needs to spend more money on defence when it is surrounded by enemies.

But you claimed that Indian Govt is putting all its sources for the betterment of masses?

In my whole argument I have tried to keep a very polite and soft language because when you anger up it shows you are running out of logic. Look what you are writing? China's cousins Pakistan? We are proud of our friendship with China so you dont be ashamed of Uncle Russia lol. You used the word enemies so look you still think Pakistan along with China are your enemies. This is the real Indian speaking. You have never and will never take us friends and still you talk about a United India including Pakistan and Bangaladesh. Is it "Baghal main churri moon main ram ram?"

It is also a fact that we dont have any Ball Thakery in our politics who even threats our cricket team. Have you ever felt that any indian team is not welcomed in Pakistan? Come on your politicians even dont have the sportsman spirit and you are talking about the great Indian secular values?

The fact is that India even after 60 years could not digest that Pakistan is an independent country. The truth is bitter but it is very true. Lets finish this with a joke. Lets suppose India and Pakistan get united so would you accept a Pakistani to rule the so called Great India? No certainly not. But you would be more than happy if we accpet some Indian to be ruler of your dreamed Great Inida? Amazing isn't it?

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	Are you saying it is not desire of every Pakistani? The beauty is in diversity of our 2 cultures that is why India chose to be secular.

We dont have any desire at all of uniting with India, that is an honest and true answer, I am sure every Pakistani would go for the same option.

So India chose to be secular, I must say this is one of the absurd notion that India give. Although Greeneyes have given enough evidence for Indians going secular but here is a tiny example that the Indian constitution which gives protection to cows/monkeys and elephants does it come from wild life protection act or Hindu religious roots? No, other country in europe or america who call themselves a secular state would give such rights to cows, while you have an imprisonment for the people who would slaughter cows while this is just a small example, on top of that your politicians like baal thakuray, who is deep into the darkness of the religion and who would leave no soft note for any other religion especially Islam still hold a massive mandate and never been beaten in his area Bihar, you should stick to his views about Pakistan. Does that not represent the nonsecular or extremist nature of the people of Bihar? Shiv Sena is an open secret to everyone around the world. I am quoting the sayings of your famous politicians here:

[ In 1984, in an interview with the ‘India Today’, Thackeray made his hate for Muslims known with these words, "They [Muslims] were spreading like a cancer and should be operated on like a cancer. The...country should be saved from the Muslims and the police should support them".

On numerous occasions, Thackeray has reiterated his fascist desire to establish a Hindu state. As late as 2007, Press Trust of India quoted Thackeray insisting on "Hindustan for Hindus" and an appeal to Hindus to "bring Islam in this country down to its knees". ]

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when you have such people out in the streets in India, would you like to be called as a secular state? And again if we had such people in Pakistan all that Hindu population that we hold which is around 2% would have gone down to Zero! it is again Islam which gives protection to Hindus within Pakistan, because we have pre defined rules and tolerances for non Muslims in a Muslim state while you dont.

Pakistan can never choose to be a secular state nor does India, although they can verbally claim of being so but this is practically impossible. For Pakistan the reason is Islam is much more logical and powerful in its ideology, it is a complete way of life with a detailed explanation of every sphere of life. An ordinary human can develop heuristics that match with Islam while that is not the case with Hinduism, in other words an ordinary man can understand agree to the logic that Islam gives while Hinduism fortunately or unfortunately doesnt have any basis or logic, it is a vague religion, so Muslims would never leave their religion, while hindus can.

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	That implies stuburness of Jinnah and what did we get for that ? 50 years of fighting? After all All the people in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh are going to live in the same area anyway why can't we live in harmony and we do that we can challange any power in Asia China or Russia or even in the world. Can you imagine the influence it will give to people of India-Pakistan?

Stubborness Very Happy

, yaar I must say that your silly little brain couldn’t get the idea of two nation theory, you must study Hinduism and Islam and history of subcontinent properly, then come over to argue about the stubborn nature of Jinnah. Cant you simply understand that when these two nation live in a same border, both sides will strive for power over that country and that will create a disruption. It is practically not possible that the borders be changed and Pakistan jumps into the marshes of India :p, we are pretty much clean of any curses as yet so leave us alone. Although it is possible to live in harmony as neighbours do.

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	Kashmir was separate independent state from British India and decision of King of Kashmir to join Indian union had nothing to do with basis of Parition of India which was based on areas with muslim majority to become Pakistan and Hindu majority to become India. UN or any other government has no business to pass any resolution of plebiscite or other wise.

OK! Lets just accept for the sake of our guest Power that Kashmir was an independent state from British India and the King of Kashmir’s decision to join Indian union had nothing to do with partition. Let me simply explain the contradictions of your own claims, do you accept that Kashmir is counted in the borders of India or as the “ATOOT UNG” of India? I must take the answer as “YES”. Now, do you guys in india claim that India is the “LARGEST DEMOCRACY” in the world? I guess there comes “YES” again. Now if you think Kashmir is your part and India is the largest democracy then why the heck you don’t apply those democratic rules and constitution to Kashmir? Why do you have forces in Kashmir (Srinagar not the borders note that Srinagar is almost in the middle of Kashmir so if you think you sent off forces for Pakistan and China then your forces should have been on the borders of Kashmir not within the towns firing on unnarmoured innocent people and also if there would have been a democratic government in Kashmir I must say there is no chance of violence in that area because definition of democracy is the power of people)? Now how do you define the notion of democracy under such circumstances where over 100,000 people have been killed by the bullets shot out from the guns of your own forces?

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	India had to do that for balance of Power so China does not play any mischief.

Mr. Indian could you explain the alliances with America, Israel and Russia at the same time, ok if we consider your statement that to protect any mischief India seek the super power of that times i-e Russia to balance power then why did you look for Israeli weapons and ballistic systems? Oh Russia was not enough to balance power for Pakistan and China so you went out and looked for Israel and America, what a self pity… or does it not explain the evil designs of India to take over Pakistan? Which I am sure you can’t because for that you have to face the blo*dy bombs that every Pakistani keeps in themselves.

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	India has no choice but to maintain large army because they have to worry about even bigger army of China in addition to their cousins Pakistan army. It is large country so it needs to spend more money on defence when it is surrounded by enemies.

Well, this comment makes me feel proud and thanx for the compliments Very Happy

. I suggest that every family of yours need to heir a servant/guard as a watchdog that Pakistan and China don’t attack while you are sleeping Very Happy

, but I assure you we don’t attack while people sleep as you did in 1965, and we don’t even think of attacking someone. We have learnt to defend and you have seen how well we did it in 1965.

This arguement is never ending so better mind your own cup of tea and dont tell us what to do. We know how to handle or tackle the powers of the world and we dont need any reunion with India to cope with such powers.

Oh yes this time I must say "PAKISTAN ZINDABAD" and "QUAID E AZAM PAINDABAD"

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	Are you saying it is not desire of every Pakistani? The beauty is in diversity of our 2 cultures that is why India chose to be secular.

Power Bro let me first explain to you the definition of a Secular state

"A secular state is a state with no state religion and in which the state is neutral in matters of religion, neither supporting nor opposing any particular religious beliefs or practices. "

Now I wont argue with you if India is a secular state I will again provide you some figures compiled by an indian.

"The Indian government has committed terrorism against its own minorities. It has murdered over 250,000 Sikh infants, children, youth, men, women, and elderly since 1984, as well as more than 300,000 Christians in Nagaland, over 90,000 Muslims in Kashmir, tens of thousands of Christians and Muslims throughout the country, and tens of thousands of Assamese, Bodos, Dalits, Manipuris, Tamils, and other minorities. A report by the Movement Against State Repression (MASR) states that 52,268 Sikhs are being held as political prisoners in India without charge or trial, mostly under a repressive law known as the “Terrorist and Disruptive Activities Act” (TADA), which expired in 1995. Many have been in illegal custody since 1984! There has been no list published of those who were acquitted under TADA and those who are still rotting in Indian jails. Tens of thousands of other minorities are also being held as political prisoners, according to Amnesty International."

In Feb 2002 about 2,500 Muslims were killed in Gujrat rites and countless women were raped. Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi's once trusted lieutenant Govardhan Zadaphia, home minister during the Gujarat riots, has spoken openly that he was following the chief minister's orders during the infamous riots of 2002. Zadaphia while talking to NDTV admits responsibility of mass killing but he says he just followed Modi's order. Trust me brother in the whole 60 years we have not killed about 10% of this in Pakistan just because they were Hindus? And believe me the 1998 census recorded 2,443,614 Hindus in Pakistan.

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You have conveniently left out the fact that Gujarat riots were started because of Muslims burning Hindu's religious pilgrim train.

2.4 Million in a population fo 140 Million is less than 2 % Where as beside Hindus India has more than 10% of population Muslims with several religions in large numbers Sikhs, Jains, Christians, Jews. So it is truly a secular state. They don't call it Hindu republic of India. Government has to take the drastic steps for anybody trying any separatist movement on the name of religions.

Look at another article
"Booker Prize winning author and activist Arundhati Roy stunned an audience in New York on Sunday night when she told them pointblank that “India is not a democratic country”.

“The biggest PR myth of all times is that India is a democracy. In reality, it is not. There is no real democracy in India. Several States are on the verge of civil war. Challenging the views of New York Times columnist Tom Friedman praising India, a democracy of a billion population, for conducting peaceful elections year after year, she said, ‘‘He probably needs a new tour of India… Does Thomas know that in Kashmir Valley alone, some 80,000 people have been killed? In Iraq, there are 1,50,000 military personnel, whereas in Kashmir Valley there are some 7,00,000.’’

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	Disturbance in Kasmir valley was instigated by Pak trained Militants which has made some innocent people victim of viloence the intensity of violence requires Indian government to deploy such a large army to maintain law and order and police the terrorist acitivities.

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	That implies stuburness of Jinnah and what did we get for that ? 50 years of fighting? After all All the people in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh are going to live in the same area anyway why can't we live in harmony and we do that we can challenge any power in Asia China or Russia or even in the world. Can you imagine the influence it will give to people of India-Pakistan?

We dont deny the fact that we should live in harmony but you switch so quick from living in harmony to live under one state. Living like good neighbors is acceptable but India, Pakistan and Bangladesh being a single country is a fool's paradise.

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	Kashmir was separate independent state from British India and decision of King of Kashmir to join Indian union had nothing to do with basis of Parition of India which was based on areas with muslim majority to become Pakistan and Hindu majority to become India. UN or any other government has no business to pass any resolution of plebiscite or other wise.

Make a correction, he was not a King but was Mahraja Gulab Singh a dogra traitor who bought it for 85 lakh rupees. People of Kashmir were never allowed to take a decision. If Kashmir is your Attoot Aang bravo you have to put a military of 7,000,00 to keep it Attoot? We all know India does not care about the International resolutions but in a civilized world international disputes are settled by International bodies. Infact it was you who claimed that Indian Govt respects the international laws.

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	That does not change the fact that it was not part of British India so the guiding principle of India's partition does not apply here that Pakistanis want world to believe to apply.

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	India had to do that for balance of Power so China does not play any mischief.

But in your earlier comments you said you dont have any alliance at all?

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	Alliance for Self-defence against formidable enemy not to pressure Pakistan

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	India has no choice but to maintain large army because they have to worry about even bigger army of China in addition to their cousins Pakistan army. It is large country so it needs to spend more money on defence when it is surrounded by enemies.

But you claimed that Indian Govt is putting all its sources for the betterment of masses?

In my whole argument I have tried to keep a very polite and soft language because when you anger up it shows you are running out of logic. Look what you are writing? China's cousins Pakistan? We are proud of our friendship with China so you dont be ashamed of Uncle Russia lol. You used the word enemies so look you still think Pakistan along with China are your enemies. This is the real Indian speaking. You have never and will never take us friends and still you talk about a United India including Pakistan and Bangaladesh. Is it "Baghal main churri moon main ram ram?"

It is also a fact that we dont have any Ball Thakery in our politics who even threats our cricket team. Have you ever felt that any indian team is not welcomed in Pakistan? Come on your politicians even dont have the sportsman spirit and you are talking about the great Indian secular values?

The fact is that India even after 60 years could not digest that Pakistan is an independent country. The truth is bitter but it is very true. Lets finish this with a joke. Lets suppose India and Pakistan get united so would you accept a Pakistani to rule the so called Great India? No certainly not. But you would be more than happy if we accpet some Indian to be ruler of your dreamed Great Inida? Amazing isn't it?[/color]

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	India is the only country where Minorities Muslims, Sikhs have been Presidents and Prime minsiters this has not happened even in so called advanced countries like USA. I want to see a Non-Muslim leader in any Islamic country.

We should learn how to speak Arabic. It's language of our prophet Muhammad (PBUH). It's language of Qur'an.

Once we start speaking Arabic, Indian influence will go away automatically Rolling Eyes

I guess my posts are invisible to power Laughing

(is he spell bound? Rolling Eyes

) so typical of hindus anyway and the answer to the last post of power is within my previous posts, so power dont turn your back on facts, I suggest you to read my posts and get a life mate!

I guess Pakistan sthould use Arabic, it's language of Islam.

I had this subject in my school time when I was in Pakistan. That was from 2nd class to 6th. I always got good caracter in this language Shocked

. But unfortunatly this langugae does not follow to the next classes. That was in 1986. So long time ago. I am agree that Arabic should be a language that we must have in school. When we have english as a 2nd mother language then why not to have Arabic. Because Quran is in arabic and many Pakistani often travel to Middle East.

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Pakistan will always be part of India. We enjoy Indian movies & we like Indian food & sweets. We also follow Indian traditions (marriage, caste, etc.)

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	Gujrati wrote:
	Pakistan will always be part of India. We enjoy Indian movies & we like Indian food & sweets. We also follow Indian traditions (marriage, caste, etc.)

In UK many people like Indian movies, food and sweets so next UK is also part of India? If you like movies and foods of any country you are part of that country? Sorry to say thats the most stupid logic. Rolling Eyes

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Green Eyes - How you define stupid logic? Stupid logic for some stupid people... Wake up buddy.

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Agreed with Green Eyes, Mr. Gujrati, are you from indian Gujrat or Pakistani Gujrat, you are saying that you are an IT person then you should have good logic.

If I go with your logic, it means that most indian movies are inspiration of Hollywood, and all Indians like hollywood movies, so India should also be part of USA.

And at least south Hall in London, UK should be part of India, because 90% people there are from India, they exactly following indian culture there. Very Happy

lol of course gujrati smells like he is from indian gujrat. gujrati every other day a new guy comes in this forum and without going through past topics on the similar subjects comes up with the same absurd questions and comments. We have already written a heavy material on indian culture and its influence in other topics and also this one. So you better read those topics and previous posts then come back to us so that your thinking reaches a reasonable level.

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Agreed with Green Eyes, Mr. Gujrati, are you from indian Gujrat or Pakistani Gujrat, you are saying that you are an IT person then you should have good logic.

If I go with your logic, it means that most indian movies are inspiration of Hollywood, and all Indians like hollywood movies, so India should also be part of USA.

And at least south Hall in London, UK should be part of India, because 90% people there are from India, they exactly following indian culture there. Very Happy

Gujrat District, Pakistan

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lol of course gujrati smells like he is from indian gujrat. gujrati every other day a new guy comes in this forum and without going through past topics on the similar subjects comes up with the same absurd questions and comments. We have already written a heavy material on indian culture and its influence in other topics and also this one. So you better read those topics and previous posts then come back to us so that your thinking reaches a reasonable level.

Even though I was born in USA, my blood goes back to Gujrat, Pakistan.

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ugwaraich wrote:

lol of course gujrati smells like he is from indian gujrat. gujrati every other day a new guy comes in this forum and without going through past topics on the similar subjects comes up with the same absurd questions and comments. We have already written a heavy material on indian culture and its influence in other topics and also this one. So you better read those topics and previous posts then come back to us so that your thinking reaches a reasonable level.

ugwaraich, no personal attacks please. Can you explain how can you smell somebody over the internet? Or you are just being smart a... ~Sangeeta

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Gujrati wrote:

ugwaraich wrote:

lol of course gujrati smells like he is from indian gujrat. gujrati every other day a new guy comes in this forum and without going through past topics on the similar subjects comes up with the same absurd questions and comments. We have already written a heavy material on indian culture and its influence in other topics and also this one. So you better read those topics and previous posts then come back to us so that your thinking reaches a reasonable level.

Even though I was born in USA, my blood goes back to Gujrat, Pakistan.

This is what I call evolution of culture, religion and the whole psychology of a nation, i-e this is how Pakis change from generation to generation, now there is a crack in your ideology about Pakistan it will keep increasing as you have grand children and so on. I suppose if you were born in USA then you must have spent major part of your life in USA, which implies that you dont know much about Pakistan, and if you dont call yourself a Pakistani then you must be an american and in that case you dont have any right to say that Pakistan will always be a part of india. You have only seen American side of Pakistan, i-e how Pakis live in America. Pakis abroad follow and do stuff 180 degrees out of phase as Pakis back home (Pakis born in Pak). The thinking of Pakis abroad (who were not born in Pakistan)is absolutely different than those living in Pak. Now that I know you were born in states it tells me where you coming from Very Happy

. Because of Indian dominance in states Pakis there have no other option to entertain themselves but just to go after following bollywood culture and do hindu stuff (customs in their marriages and stuff) and thats what I have experienced in UK, but the proportion of indians in states is more than in UK so you know how it would be like. I am sure that you dont know the history of Pakistan because people who would know what really happened before and after partition can only feel the harshness of the comment :

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	Pakistan will always be part of India. We enjoy Indian movies & we like Indian food & sweets. We also follow Indian traditions (marriage, caste, etc.)

This is the main reason why you dont know the differences and the efforts behind partition. Better know the differences of Subcontinent and India, probably you are confusing subcontinent with india. This comment is probably the most offensive one ever heard from a Pakistani and it was a proper trip off for a Pakistani who can understand the meaning of the phrase "PAKISTAN WILL ALWAYS BE PART OF INDIA", lol and on top of that just because "YOU (not we) enjoy indian movies and food and sweets and follow traditions"(lol what a cracker) we should be the part of india. go get some lil brains yaar, woh kia kehtay hain jumma jumma aath din naheen hoey chalay hain comments pass karnay Pak kay baray main.

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Sangeeta_Haq wrote:

ugwaraich wrote:

lol of course gujrati smells like he is from indian gujrat. gujrati every other day a new guy comes in this forum and without going through past topics on the similar subjects comes up with the same absurd questions and comments. We have already written a heavy material on indian culture and its influence in other topics and also this one. So you better read those topics and previous posts then come back to us so that your thinking reaches a reasonable level.

ugwaraich, no personal attacks please. Can you explain how can you smell somebody over the internet? Or you are just being smart a... ~Sangeeta

Miss haq, I guess you cannot read the ruthless offense gujrati made to Pakistan and to myself. as I said earlier it is the most harsh comment/offense some Pakistani did to Pak. So that was a personal and national offense as well. By the way I did not mean literally that we can smell him but it was for people smart enough to understand not for you Wink

. waisey I did not offend you so stop poking your lil nose in my business Razz

, its not your cup of tea that whoever I offend and whoever I dont.

Gujrati wrote:

ugwaraich wrote:

lol of course gujrati smells like he is from indian gujrat. gujrati every other day a new guy comes in this forum and without going through past topics on the similar subjects comes up with the same absurd questions and comments. We have already written a heavy material on indian culture and its influence in other topics and also this one. So you better read those topics and previous posts then come back to us so that your thinking reaches a reasonable level.

Even though I was born in USA, my blood goes back to Gujrat, Pakistan.

Gujrat is a hiotorical city of Pakistan, because of Sohni & Mahiwaal also well know as for "Sai Kawan Walli Sarkar & Hazrat Shahdolla Pirr. So some people may try to mixup Pakistani and Indian Gujrat here..... Shocked

Gujarat is a province in India, and in Pakistan we say Gujrat as a city of province Punjab Pakistan. Gujrat is also famous for FRAUD Chaoudhary Brothers in politation.

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sorry sangeeta if u don't mind then let me remind u that shalwaar qameez is not indian dress its our national dress. cricket is not an indian game but its a game of all those countries who play cricket. The problem is that we all people r getting inspired by their culture ,their dresses , their muzic , their movies and dramaz. it shouldn't happen like that . we should proud in our culture.The main and only big thing which make us more different and more populer from them is that we are MUSLIMS .and we have a rich and noble religion ISLAM.we r not like them we apart from them since 1947.can say neighboures nd friends Wink

Proud to b a Muslim nd proud to b a Pakistani. Very Happy

well said i agreed

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laughing my a.. out ha ha ha

i am pankaj moolwani ( sindhi) from india mere dada dadi 1947 mein sindh se india aa gaye the i am 25 years old

you guys are really crazy

tum log kiitni bhi koshish kar lo tum india ke influence se bach nahi paoge

its a challenge kal bataungah kyon nahin bach paoge

	pulsar180cc wrote:
	laughing my a.. out ha ha ha i am pankaj moolwani ( sindhi) from india mere dada dadi 1947 mein sindh se india aa gaye the i am 25 years old you guys are really crazy tum log kiitni bhi koshish kar lo tum india ke influence se bach nahi paoge its a challenge kal bataungah kyon nahin bach paoge

hey man what u mean by this ???

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pakistan ki history kya hao 1947 mein india se alaag hua coz British chaahte the . coz unhee dar tha india se . aaj agar pakistan india india nah kare to usse koi nahin puchegah war on terrorism mein bush ko mushraaf ki jarorrrat hai isliye pakistan ko puch raha hai nahin toh puchegah bhi nahin

USA ko lagta hai ki China ussse takkar de raha hai isliye BUSH ne India ko 1999 mein kaha ki Pokhran mein Nuclear Test karo and china ko batao ki woh appne ko Asia ki Power na Samjhe usske Baad China ne Pakistan ko kaha ki India ko dabane ke liye tum log bhi Nuclear test karo

Dekho Bhai log point yeah hai ki

Pakistan kabhi bhi India se friendship nahin karegah coz pakistan ka birth hi india se anti karke hua hai . pakistani log India ke tyres lete hain through Gulf Countries but direct humse nahin lete coz unhe maloom hai ki India se friendship hui to pakistan ka astitv nahin rahegah that is why pakistan ki policy hai Anti India

USA ko maloom hai growing Chinese economy can harm him in a big way USA ne dekha hai ki coz of Economy China power ban sakta hai that is why USA ne Dollor ki rate gira di hai takki China ka export kum ho and India ko usse benefit mil raha hai coz hum Import zyada karte hai and china export zyada karte hain that is why benefit India ka hai

USA chaal chal raha hai Dollor down karke China ko down karegah . India ko Nuclear power de raha hai India ke pass electricity nahin hai. 2020 tak hume Electricty mil jaayegi usske baad hum Indians china ko takkar denge

Pakistani People kuch bhi soche yeah baat clear hai India Progreess kar raha hai and karta rahegah no one can stop us

2050 mein hum Super Power ban jaayegange America India ko Security Council mein le raha hai

Pakistan ka toh Sirf istemmal ho raha hai sabko pata hai

Pakistan ko kuch bhi diya jaata hai to pehle India ko batate hain . Pakistan ko F16 diye to India ko Radar de rahe hain taaki Indians F16 ko trap karke gira de Twisted Evil

app logon ki aanke khul jaani chiyeah ab tak

Saara pakistan India ki Movies dekhta hai India ka fashion India ke clothes India ke Serials India ke Pickles India ki Sugar India ke Tyres

and ab to Pakistani Laughter Champions mein bhi aa rahe hain

so India ki Burai Karna Choro

Hindustan Zindabad India zindabad and Pakistan Zindabad too

there is no comptition here but if u want then let me clearify u
that british didn't want to free us these were the muslim's effort which make us a free countery.
The things about the nucclear programme u mention thy r not facts but if u want to make yourself happy thinking like this then keep going.
you said about f16 leave them
, simple ,pakistani can protect their countery widout them from the cowards of darkness ??????????(think)r u a spy who knows all about usa deallings.
who knows what happen in future but if india continue this CHAPPLOOSY then they can get more in return
you r talking about the infulence from your media the fact is that indians r trying to hippnotyz ppl through their media but what r they showing family consipiracy(haahaaaaaaaaaaa)actually they r showing their mind level.
your stars always talking about pakistani dramaz r their favourites like ankahi , tanhayian, waaris, dhoop kinaray ,
is their any drama like these in your tv history??????????don't Embarassed

your national language is hindi nd our is urdu so why u speak urdu in ur filmz speak ur pure hindi!!!!!!!!!!!!
make ur mind level higher nd about loughter challenge pakistanis prove that
they r embasseder of peace nd happiness they r not doubleface they r showing wat they r Wink

(hum burai to nahi kar rahy sirf tumhein hushfahmi say nikalana chahtay hain)

LOVE MY PAKISTAN AND PROUD TO BE A PAKISTANI

Pulsar180cc - I agree with you.