i wanna ask some questions ,dear friends

i am from china , i am very curious about your country, espessally religious .
you have your religious belief, traditions, habits,and so on. but we all konw that all gods do not exsist , something about them is not true , so in my opinion , it is not necessary to keep all the rules that god defined .
maybe, i have no belief as not to understand what you think . it is very incretible to me .
you have so many rules in your life , i can not understandd and tolerate.
i imagine that someday i marry a Arab girl , we may divorce someday because of the life habits .

all what i said was to express a question , if someday you imigrate abroad , can you change your belief or life habits ????

thanks for anwsering .

i am sorry for my ignorance , i am just curious . if there are somewhere impolite ,please forgive . thanks

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hello my friend

welcome to the forum Razz

and about ur ceruois about our religion let me tell u something we belive that there is one God and this God is exist

even u in ur Subconscious will know 100 % that the God is exist but u dont want to belive that

ok let me clear this for u :

u can read this website and read it carfully without any Bias for what u belive in ok
Wink

http://discover.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=ls_articles&by=cat&id=13&lang=1
http://discover.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=converts
http://discover.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=articles

then if u read it tell me what u think ok ?

by the way in islamic comunities specialy in arab comunites "woman does not marry from Unbeliever man"
Wink

and about ur qustion :

" if someday you imigrate abroad , can you change your belief or life habits "

no its not necessary that u change ur belief or life habits ,,,but u should respect the country u go to and thier habits and beliefs as they should respect ur's

Smile

and welcome again to the forum i wish u all the happenies in the world insha Allah Wink

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wellcome to forum,,,well loje has replied ur queris but i just want to add tht life of ppl is always regulated by some laws,,,may it be man made or Divine,,,even in China ur following certain rules isnt it,,,to know abt Islam u should read THE HOLY QURAN first

Dear welcome to the forum

Please read that article by Zakir naik

IS THE QUR’AN GOD’S WORD?

By

Dr. Zakir Naik

Introduction

Islam is not the name of some unique religion presented for the first time by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who should, on that account be called the founder of Islam.

The Qur’an states that Islam – the complete submission of man before his one and only Unique Creator – is the one and only faith and way of life consistently revealed by God to humankind from the very beginning. Noah, Solomon, David, Abraham, Moses, Isaac and Jesus – prophets who appeared at different times and places – all propagated the same faith and conveyed the same message of Tawheed (Oneness of God), Risaalat (Prophethood) and Aakhirah (the Hereafter). These prophets of God were not founders of different religions to be named after them. They were each reiterating the message and faith of their predecessors.

However, Muhammad (pbuh) was the last Prophet of God. God revived through him the same genuine faith which had been conveyed by all His Prophets. This original message was earlier corrupted and split into various religions by people of different ages, who indulged in interpolations and admixture. These alien elements were eliminated by God, and Islam – in its pure and original form – was transmitted to humankind through Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Since there was to be no messenger after Muhammad (pbuh), the Book revealed to him (i.e. the Qur’an) was preserved word for word so that it should be a source of guidance for all times.

The miracle of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), i.e. the Qur’an, is for all times

All the previous Prophets of God were sent only to their people and their nation and their complete message was meant for a particular time period. Therefore the miracles they performed such as parting of sea by Prophet Moses (pbuh), giving life to the dead by Prophet Jesus (pbuh), etc. convinced the people of that time but these miracles cannot be analyzed and verified by us today.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the last and final Messenger of God, sent for the whole of humankind and the message he delivered is for eternity. The Qur’an says:

“We sent you (Prophet Muhammad) not but as a mercy for all creatures.” (Al-Qur'an 21:107)

Therefore the miracle of the last and final Messenger should also be everlasting, examinable and verifiable by people of all ages, after its revelation. Though Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) performed several miracles as are mentioned in the Hadith (recorded traditions, sayings and actions of the Prophet), he never emphasized them. Though we Muslims believe in these miracles we only boast of the ultimate miracle given to him by Almighty God, which is the Qur’an.

Al-Qur’an is the miracle of all times which proved itself to be a miracle 1400 years ago and which can be reconfirmed today and forever. In short, it is the Miracle of Miracles.

Many people have a misconception that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the founder of the religion of Islam. However, Islam is in existence since the first man (Prophet Adam) first set foot on earth. Since then, Almighty God sent several prophets and revelations, the last in this chain being Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and the Qur’an.

Three options regarding authorship of the Qur’an

Probably, the only point of agreement amongst those who have the slightest knowledge of the Qur’an irrespective of whether they are Muslims or not, is that the Qur’an was recited for the first time by a man who was born in Makkah in Arabia in the 6th century (C.E.) by the name of Muhammad (pbuh).

Regarding the sources of the Qur’an there can be three basic assumptions for a non-Muslim:

a) Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself was the author of the Qur’an; consciously, sub-consciously or unconsciously.

b) Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) learnt it from other human sources or copied or adopted from previous scriptures or revelations.

c) Qur’an has no human author but it is a word for word revelation from God.

Muhammad (pbuh) was not the author of the Qur’an

1. Muhammad (pbuh) never claimed the authorship of the Qur’an

It is highly abnormal to challenge the testimony of someone who disclaims responsibility for producing a great work, whether literary, scientific or other. Yet this is precisely what orientalists and others, who are suspicious about the origins of the Qur’an, do when they claim that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the author of the Glorious Qur’an.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never ever claimed responsibility for originating it. He honestly said that it was Allah who revealed this Scripture to him. To think otherwise is illogical because it would mean that he was telling a lie.

From history we learn that between his youth and the prophetic mission that commenced at the age of 40, he had never been known to lie. He was so well known for his truthfulness, honesty and chastity that he was given the title “Al-Ameen” i.e. “The trust worthy” by friends and foes alike. Then why should he lie at the age of 40 while claiming to be a messenger of God?

It is interesting to note however, that although many of the Meccan Pagans rejected Islam and regarded the Prophet as a liar, they nevertheless trusted him and deposited their valuables with him for safe-keeping. This is apparent from the fact that when the Prophet decided to leave Makkah to foil an assassination attempt on him, he left the valuables with Hazrat Ali (R.A.) to distribute it to the rightful owners.

Once when Abu Sufiyan, one of the pagan chiefs of Makkah, went to Emperor Heraclius to ask for his support against the Prophet, on being questioned whether the Prophet had been accused of lying, prior his to claim to be a Prophet or whether he had betrayed his trust, Abu Sufiyan the arch enemy of the Prophet had to answer “No”. Thus even his opponents acknowledged his sincerity, truthfulness and honesty.

What logical reason can a person think of, for Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to lie while stating that he was a Prophet and not the author of the Qur’an?

(To be continued)

For more do visit

http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm

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Sarfaraz Ahmed
CA Finalist, MIIA (usa), B. Com
http://www.islamhouse.com/
http://www.fatwa-online.com/
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ln=urd
http://www.jamatuddawa.org/

http://www.easyislam.com/
http://www.darsequran.com/

loje wrote:

hello my friend

welcome to the forum Razz

and about ur ceruois about our religion let me tell u something we belive that there is one God and this God is exist

even u in ur Subconscious will know 100 % that the God is exist but u dont want to belive that

ok let me clear this for u :

u can read this website and read it carfully without any Bias for what u belive in ok
Wink

http://discover.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=ls_articles&by=cat&id=13&lang=1
http://discover.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=converts
http://discover.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=articles

then if u read it tell me what u think ok ?

by the way in islamic comunities specialy in arab comunites "woman does not marry from Unbeliever man"
Wink

and about ur qustion :

" if someday you imigrate abroad , can you change your belief or life habits "

no its not necessary that u change ur belief or life habits ,,,but u should respect the country u go to and thier habits and beliefs as they should respect ur's

Smile

and welcome again to the forum i wish u all the happenies in the world insha Allah Wink

hahahaha loje ,you are so active and warm in this forum
i have read the link partly , in fact ,i can not undersood completly , that is your religiou . some rules can be understood as a no- belief chinese hahahahaha

i will try my best to know something about your religiou by reading books

thanks for explaining , my friend

welcome to china welcome to china i am a college student in chongqing , my hometown is hebei province which is beside beijing
welcome

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	urfi67 wrote:
	wellcome to forum,,,well loje has replied ur queris but i just want to add tht life of ppl is always regulated by some laws,,,may it be man made or Divine,,,even in China ur following certain rules isnt it,,,to know abt Islam u should read THE HOLY QURAN first

dear urfi67
thanks for your concerning
yes ,you are right , china has lots of rules ,for example relations in family , "mianzi面子“..............， we always concern that too much , sometimes we are puzzled by that . not free

welcome to china

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SHUMULUSUYING wrote:

hahahaha loje ,you are so active and warm in this forum
i have read the link partly , in fact ,i can not undersood completly , that is your religiou . some rules can be understood as a no- belief chinese hahahahaha

i will try my best to know something about your religiou by reading books

thanks for explaining , my friend

welcome to china welcome to china i am a college student in chongqing , my hometown is hebei province which is beside beijing
welcome

thanks

and wut is the thing that u didnt understand exactly ???

which books u will read ???? do u know good books ??????? i recommend u that u can read these sites which we tolled u about cos its really helpful

we r in the service always my freind Wink

and i hope visit china one day insha Allah its really beautiful country Wink

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loje wrote:

SHUMULUSUYING wrote:

hahahaha loje ,you are so active and warm in this forum
i have read the link partly , in fact ,i can not undersood completly , that is your religiou . some rules can be understood as a no- belief chinese hahahahaha

i will try my best to know something about your religiou by reading books

thanks for explaining , my friend

welcome to china welcome to china i am a college student in chongqing , my hometown is hebei province which is beside beijing
welcome

thanks

and wut is the thing that u didnt understand exactly ???

which books u will read ???? do u know good books ??????? i recommend u that u can read these sites which we tolled u about cos its really helpful

we r in the service always my freind Wink

and i hope visit china one day insha Allah its really beautiful country Wink

insha Allah ？ what is the meaning?
acturally ,i will read books about islam religion----chinese book Embarassed

(because my english is not very good Embarassed

)

i have read the book <united> and <guide>, i think they have nearly same habits with your country ,right? i will find some books about pakistan (you konw that book about pakistan is few)

i am curious that loje was all the time in this forum? you have lots of time ?
i have been in this forum for long time ,according to my concern ,you are very active and warmhearted ,hahahahahaha

i heared that you are going to chongqing ,right? in chongqing there is lots of pakistanis , if you come here you can find your company
welcome Very Happy

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I am manchu , you know the manchus ? not important, we can be friends

loje wrote:

SHUMULUSUYING wrote:

hahahaha loje ,you are so active and warm in this forum
i have read the link partly , in fact ,i can not undersood completly , that is your religiou . some rules can be understood as a no- belief chinese hahahahaha

i will try my best to know something about your religiou by reading books

thanks for explaining , my friend

welcome to china welcome to china i am a college student in chongqing , my hometown is hebei province which is beside beijing
welcome

thanks

and wut is the thing that u didnt understand exactly ???

which books u will read ???? do u know good books ??????? i recommend u that u can read these sites which we tolled u about cos its really helpful

we r in the service always my freind Wink

and i hope visit china one day insha Allah its really beautiful country Wink

i do not know why some words can not be written here ???
<united> and <g>, can not be shown here (two book names can not be shown here ,why ??? )
i am puzzled !
loje ,i asked you question again, is there any differences between pakistan english and britain english???
sometimes i can not read the words you writed here

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SHUMULUSUYING wrote:

insha Allah ？ what is the meaning?
acturally ,i will read books about islam religion----chinese book Embarassed

(because my english is not very good Embarassed

)

i have read the book <united> and <guide>, i think they have nearly same habits with your country ,right? i will find some books about pakistan (you konw that book about pakistan is few)

i am curious that loje was all the time in this forum? you have lots of time ?
i have been in this forum for long time ,according to my concern ,you are very active and warmhearted ,hahahahahaha

i heared that you are going to chongqing ,right? in chongqing there is lots of pakistanis , if you come here you can find your company
welcome Very Happy

insha Allah means IF THE MUSLIM WANTS TO DO ANY THING IN FUTURE THEY SHOULD
suspension ON tHE WILL OF ALMIGHTY ALLAH
ALMIGHTY ALLAH SAID : "DONT SAY THAT I WILL DO THIS TOMOROW ONLY IF U SAY INSHA ALLAH "
COS EVERY THING IN ALLAH'S HAND

by the way iam not a pakistani Smile

yes i have lots of time cos i have avacation Embarassed

heheheheheheheheheheeh dont make me shy more than that Laughing

and my company will be a good people what ever thier nationalites are Wink

and yeah pakistani people are reall nice people Cool

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loje wrote:

SHUMULUSUYING wrote:

insha Allah ？ what is the meaning?
acturally ,i will read books about islam religion----chinese book Embarassed

(because my english is not very good Embarassed

)

i have read the book <united> and <guide>, i think they have nearly same habits with your country ,right? i will find some books about pakistan (you konw that book about pakistan is few)

i am curious that loje was all the time in this forum? you have lots of time ?
i have been in this forum for long time ,according to my concern ,you are very active and warmhearted ,hahahahahaha

i heared that you are going to chongqing ,right? in chongqing there is lots of pakistanis , if you come here you can find your company
welcome Very Happy

insha Allah means IF THE MUSLIM WANTS TO DO ANY THING IN FUTURE THEY SHOULD
suspension ON tHE WILL OF ALMIGHTY ALLAH
ALMIGHTY ALLAH SAID : "DONT SAY THAT I WILL DO THIS TOMOROW ONLY IF U SAY INSHA ALLAH "
COS EVERY THING IN ALLAH'S HAND

by the way iam not a pakistani Smile

yes i have lots of time cos i have avacation Embarassed

heheheheheheheheheheeh dont make me shy more than that Laughing

and my company will be a good people what ever thier nationalites are Wink

and yeah pakistani people are reall nice people Cool

you are not a pakistan people ? which country ? now i konw, Saudia Arabia=沙特阿拉伯，not 巴基斯坦

"my company will be a good people what ever thier nationalites are Wink

and yeah pakistani people are reall nice people "
you are so nice and smart , out of my inmagin

whatever thanks for your answering

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Last edited by SHUMULUSUYING on Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:38 pm; edited 1 time in total

afght

	anjumm123I wrote:
	afght

hi ,buddy, what are you saying Shocked

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	SHUMULUSUYING wrote:
	you are not a pakistan people ? which country ? now i konw, Saudia Arabia=沙特阿拉伯，not 巴基斯坦 "my company will be a good people what ever thier nationalites are and yeah pakistani people are reall nice people " you are so nice and smart , out of my inmagin whatever thanks for your answering

yes saudia arabia Wink

oyeeeeeeeeeeee Embarassed

thanks for the complemont but i am not smart u didnt see me on the class Laughing

i just tell my feelings nothing else Wink

whatever Welcome to the forum matey Wink

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loje wrote:

	SHUMULUSUYING wrote:
	you are not a pakistan people ? which country ? now i konw, Saudia Arabia=沙特阿拉伯，not 巴基斯坦 "my company will be a good people what ever thier nationalites are and yeah pakistani people are reall nice people " you are so nice and smart , out of my inmagin whatever thanks for your answering

yes saudia arabia Wink

oyeeeeeeeeeeee Embarassed

thanks for the complemont but i am not smart u didnt see me on the class Laughing

i just tell my feelings nothing else Wink

whatever Welcome to the forum matey Wink

you are a college student too ???? Razz

oye, me too . one year later i will graduate from my university and face the future and life Sad

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SHUMULUSUYING wrote:

	urfi67 wrote:
	wellcome to forum,,,well loje has replied ur queris but i just want to add tht life of ppl is always regulated by some laws,,,may it be man made or Divine,,,even in China ur following certain rules isnt it,,,to know abt Islam u should read THE HOLY QURAN first

dear urfi67
thanks for your concerning
yes ,you are right , china has lots of rules ,for example relations in family , "mianzi面子“..............， we always concern that too much , sometimes we are puzzled by that . not free

welcome to china

thx 4 ur reply,,,by the way what does "manju" mean,,,there was a nice discussion between u and loje,,,there is no differece in Pakistani and British english,,,since u dont have any idea abt Islam so go slowly,,,read everything with open mind,,,the first condition is FAITH,,,as if yr govt make some rule or law then u hav belief tht its good 4 ppl isnt it even if u like it or not,,,well to start with u shud know ISLAM means peace,,,peace for all

urfi67 wrote:

SHUMULUSUYING wrote:

	urfi67 wrote:
	wellcome to forum,,,well loje has replied ur queris but i just want to add tht life of ppl is always regulated by some laws,,,may it be man made or Divine,,,even in China ur following certain rules isnt it,,,to know abt Islam u should read THE HOLY QURAN first

dear urfi67
thanks for your concerning
yes ,you are right , china has lots of rules ,for example relations in family , "mianzi面子“..............， we always concern that too much , sometimes we are puzzled by that . not free

welcome to china

thx 4 ur reply,,,by the way what does "manju" mean,,,there was a nice discussion between u and loje,,,there is no differece in Pakistani and British english,,,since u dont have any idea abt Islam so go slowly,,,read everything with open mind,,,the first condition is FAITH,,,as if yr govt make some rule or law then u hav belief tht its good 4 ppl isnt it even if u like it or not,,,well to start with u shud know ISLAM means peace,,,peace for all

"manju" is just a word used by manchus , you konw that there are 56 nationalities in china , we are one of them .

manju in english is manchu , The last feudal dynasty in china is Qing dynasty that is founded by manchus
manchu is just minority in china(just as Mongolians) , population is about 10 million . manchus have belief in Shamanism ( you konw?)

it is clear for you ??

in fact , i am not the person that has no idea about islam , it is a litte or that experience no life of islam . and more curious about it . in china , Hui and Uighurs both believe islam, i just have few chance to live with them , no time, no energy.....
PS: i believe islam means peace , peoplo all over the world want peace

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thts nice u know something abt Islam,,,just read THE HOLY QURAN with translation in ur language and many queris will b automatcally cleard,,,and thx 4 giving valueable informatin abt manjus,,,and i dont have any idea in what u believe,,,can u tell something abt tht aswell

	urfi67 wrote:
	thts nice u know something abt Islam,,,just read THE HOLY QURAN with translation in ur language and many queris will b automatcally cleard,,,and thx 4 giving valueable informatin abt manjus,,,and i dont have any idea in what u believe,,,can u tell something abt tht aswell

ok, no problem!
first , you must konw the definigion of Shamanism , because my poor english , i advise you to search " google" for information about shamanism . it is a very old riligion. Uygur, Kazak, Tatars, Mongolian, Xibe, Manchu have faith in shamanism .

i am manchu , but i am very sad that nearly very few manchus are aware of the importance of the "shaman belief" ,

as a young man , i am devout , even if shaman is not popular now , i will try my best to look for the "source" and carry it forward as a real manchu and carry forward the manchu spirit ---Courageous, decisive, honest, hard-working.

then i introduce you our life habit , being similar to you islam , we do not eat dog meat ( you should konw that all chinese tasty food based on all kinds of Animals, plants Embarassed

. so some foreigners thought chinese cruel and cold -----just tradition spreading from old time, you should be undersandable )

we have our own cloth , for example, the very famous female cloth --Qipao, of cause , we have lots of other Traditional Practices --- too many , i can not count that

do you have any questions, my friend ?

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SHUMULUSUYING wrote:

loje wrote:

	SHUMULUSUYING wrote:
	you are not a pakistan people ? which country ? now i konw, Saudia Arabia=沙特阿拉伯，not 巴基斯坦 "my company will be a good people what ever thier nationalites are and yeah pakistani people are reall nice people " you are so nice and smart , out of my inmagin whatever thanks for your answering

yes saudia arabia Wink

oyeeeeeeeeeeee Embarassed

thanks for the complemont but i am not smart u didnt see me on the class Laughing

i just tell my feelings nothing else Wink

whatever Welcome to the forum matey Wink

you are a college student too ???? Razz

oye, me too . one year later i will graduate from my university and face the future and life Sad

noooooooooooo iam toooooooo old girl Laughing

i had grauated from 2 years now
iam working
and iam 24 years old Laughing

yeah u should face the life and u have to find a job cos u will tiered from that ask me Wink

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loje wrote:

SHUMULUSUYING wrote:

loje wrote:

	SHUMULUSUYING wrote:
	you are not a pakistan people ? which country ? now i konw, Saudia Arabia=沙特阿拉伯，not 巴基斯坦 "my company will be a good people what ever thier nationalites are and yeah pakistani people are reall nice people " you are so nice and smart , out of my inmagin whatever thanks for your answering

yes saudia arabia Wink

oyeeeeeeeeeeee Embarassed

thanks for the complemont but i am not smart u didnt see me on the class Laughing

i just tell my feelings nothing else Wink

whatever Welcome to the forum matey Wink

you are a college student too ???? Razz

oye, me too . one year later i will graduate from my university and face the future and life Sad

noooooooooooo iam toooooooo old girl Laughing

i had grauated from 2 years now
iam working
and iam 24 years old Laughing

yeah u should face the life and u have to find a job cos u will tiered from that ask me Wink

no no no , you are not old !!! the same years old to you , i am 24 years old , 1984.10.18 \1984.11.06(first one is our china Lunar, the second one is solar calendar=the same day ) , am i your older brother?? hahahahaha and i am Graduate , major is Mechanical design professional

Very Happy

oye , the same year girl

where are you working now ? ditail

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happy all PAKISTANI

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be happy

	sardaralikhan wrote:
	happy all PAKISTANI

yes happy all pakistani , happy all chinese , happy all the people all over the world
Very Happy

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	SHUMULUSUYING wrote:
	no no no , you are not old !!! the same years old to you , i am 24 years old , 1984.10.18 \1984.11.06(first one is our china Lunar, the second one is solar calendar=the same day ) , am i your older brother?? hahahahaha and i am Graduate , major is Mechanical design professional oye , the same year girl where are you working now ? ditail

masha Allah u r 24 years old in each calenders

but me iam 24 years in english calender and 25 in arabic calender Wink

>> means i still older than u Embarassed

and u r in english calender ur age is 23 years and arabic calender ur age 24 Wink

>> i tolled u before i have too much time Laughing

masha Allah u r professional ha? Wink

iam working in KG now Wink

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