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ugwaraich
Senior Proud Pakistani


Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 1368
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| Hindus will not get Kashmir land |
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BBC News
Thousands of stone-throwing protesters took part in the rallies
The government of Indian-administered Kashmir has said it will revoke its decision to transfer land to a body that manages an important Hindu shrine.
News that the Amarnath Shrine Board was to get the forest land sparked days of protests by the area's Muslim majority.
Three people were killed and hundreds injured, including police officers.
The protests were the among the biggest in the disputed Himalayan region for years, and widened to focus on pro-independence demands.
'Conspiracy'
State Chief Minister Ghulam Nabi Azad said the cabinet would formally revoke the plans.
He was speaking after the shrine board's management offered to return the land.
The state government now says it will provide all the necessary facilities for pilgrims who want to visit the shrine.
The government had said the land was needed for the construction of pre-fabricated huts and toilets for the pilgrims.
Separatist groups said the transfer of land was part of a "conspiracy to settle non-local Hindus in the valley with a view to reducing the Muslims to a minority".
Local environmentalists also protested against the decision.
The unrest has brought back memories of widespread protests that swept the region after a separatist insurgency began in 1989.
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| Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:17 pm |
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que10
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Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 485 Location: Chi-town |
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usman i am a pakistani as u know, but honestly brother, kashmiris do not want to be with india or pakistan. I hope u know that.
btw, hows everything? hope things are well with ya.
take care.
_________________ "You are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE"... Jinnah, Aug 11th 1947. |
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| Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:13 am |
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mushytail
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Joined: 06 Jun 2008 Posts: 254
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I believe the choice was Pakistan or India, there is no choice of independence for Kashmir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_of_accession
Lord Mountbatten in his letter of acceptance wrote that "Consistently with their policy that in the case of any State where the accession has been the subject of dispute,the question of accession should be decided in accordance with the wishes of the people of the State,it is my Government's wish that,as soon as law and order have been restored in Kashmir and her soil cleared of the invader,the question of the State's accession should be settled by a reference to the people."
Here is the disputed Instrument of Accession
http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/documents/instrument_of_accession.html
INSTRUMENT OF ACCESSION
Instrument of Accession executed by Maharajah Hari Singh on October 26, 1947
Whereas the Indian Independence Act, 1947, provides that as from the fifteenth day of August, 1947, there shall be set up an independent Dominion known as INDIA, and that the Government of India Act 1935, shall with such omissions, additions, adaptations and modifications as the Governor General may by order specify, be applicable to the Dominion of India.
And whereas the Government of India Act, 1935, as so adapted by the Governor General, provides that an Indian State may accede to the Dominion of India by an Instrument of Accession executed by the Ruler thereof.
Now, therefore, I Shriman Inder Mahinder Rajrajeswar Maharajadhiraj Shri Hari Singhji, Jammu & Kashmir Naresh Tatha Tibbet adi Deshadhipati, Ruler of Jammu & Kashmir State, in the exercise of my Sovereignty in and over my said State do hereby execute this my Instrument of Accession and
1. I hereby declare that I accede to the Dominion of India with the intent that the Governor General of India, the Dominion Legislature, the Federal Court and any other Dominion authority established for the purposes of the Dominion shall by virtue of this my Instrument of Accession but subject always to the terms thereof, and for the purposes only of the Dominion, exercise in relation to the State of Jammu & Kashmir (hereinafter referred to as "this State") such functions as may be vested in them by or under the Government of India Act, 1935, as in force in the Dominion of India, on the 15th day of August 1947, (which Act as so in force is hereafter referred to as "the Act').
2. I hereby assume the obligation of ensuring that due effect is given to provisions of the Act within this State so far as they are applicable therein by virtue of this my Instrument of Accession.
3. I accept the matters specified in the schedule hereto as the matters with respect to which the Dominion Legislature may make law for this State.
4. I hereby declare that I accede to the Dominion of India on the assurance that if an agreement is made between the Governor General and the Ruler of this State whereby any functions in relation to the administration in this State of any law of the Dominion Legislature shall be exercised by the Ruler of the State, then any such agreement shall be construed and have effect accordingly.
5. The terms of this my Instrument of Accession shall not be varied by any amendment of the Act or the Indian Independence Act, 1947, unless such amendment is accepted by me by Instrument supplementary to this Instrument.
6. Nothing in this Instrument shall empower the Dominion Legislature to make any law for this State authorizing the compulsory acquisition of land for any purpose, but I hereby undertake that should the Dominion for the purpose of a Dominion law which applies in this State deem it necessary to acquire any land, I will at their request acquire the land at their expense, or, if the land belongs to me transfer it to them on such terms as may be agreed or, in default of agreement, determined by an arbitrator to be appointed by the Chief Justice of India.
7. Nothing in this Instrument shall be deemed to commit in any way to acceptance of any future constitution of India or to fetter my discretion to enter into agreement with the Government of India under any such future constitution.
8. Nothing in this Instrument affects the continuance of my Sovereignty in and over this State, or, save as provided by or under this Instrument, the exercise of any powers, authority and rights now enjoyed by me as Ruler of this State or the validity of any law at present in force in this State.
9. I hereby declare that I execute this Instrument on behalf of this State and that any reference in this Instrument to me or to the Ruler of the State is to be construed as including a reference to my heirs and successors.
Given under my hand this 26th day of October, nineteen hundred and forty seven.
Hari Singh
Maharajadhiraj of Jammu and Kashmir State.
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ACCEPTANCE OF ACCESSION BY THE GOVERNOR GENERAL OF INDIA
I do hereby accept this Instrument of Accession. Dated this twenty seventh day of October, nineteen hundred and forty seven.
Mountbatten of Burma
Governor General of India.
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SCHEDULE OF INSTRUMENT OF ACCESSION
THE MATTERS WITH RESPECT TO WHICH THE DOMINION
LEGISLATURE MAY MAKE LAWS FOR THIS STATE
A. Defence
1. The naval, military and air forces of the Dominion and any other armed forces raised or maintained by the Dominion; any armed forces, including forces raised or maintained by an acceding State, which are attached to, or operating with, any of the armed forces of the Dominion.
2. Naval, military and air force works, administration of cantonment areas.
3. Arms, fire-arms, ammunition.
4. Explosives.
B. External Affairs
1. External affairs; the implementing of treaties and agreements with other countries; extradition, including the surrender of criminals and accused persons to parts of His Majesty's Dominions outside India.
2. Admission into, and emigration and expulsion from, India, including in relation thereto the regulation of the movements in India of persons who are not British subjects domiciled in India or subjects of any acceding State; pilgrimages to places beyond India.
3. Naturalisation.
C. Communications
1. Posts and telegraphs, including telephones, wireless, broadcasting, and other like forms of communication.
2. Federal railways; the regulation of all railways other than minor railways in respect of safety, maximum and minimum rates and fares, station and services terminal charges, interchange of traffic and the responsibility of railway administrations as carriers of goods and passengers; the regulation of minor railways in respect of safety and the responsibility of the administrations of such railways as carriers of goods and passengers.
3. Maritime shipping and navigation, including shipping and navigation on tidal waters; Admiralty jurisdiction.
4. Port quarantine.
5. Major ports, that is to say, the declaration and delimitation of such ports, and the constitution and powers of Port Authorities therein.
6. Aircraft and air navigation; the provision of aerodromes; regulation and organisation of air traffic and of aerodromes.
7. Lighthouses, including lightships, beacons and other provisions for the safety of shipping and aircraft.
8. Carriage of passengers and goods by sea or by air.
9. Extension of the powers and jurisdiction of members of the police force belonging to any unit to railway area outside that unit.
D. Ancillary
1. Election to the Dominion Legislature, subject to the provisions of the Act and of any Order made thereunder.
2. Offences against laws with respect to any of the aforesaid matters.
3. Inquiries and statistics for the purposes of any of the aforesaid matters.
4. Jurisdiction and powers of all courts with respect to any of the aforesaid matters but, except with the consent of the Ruler of the acceding State, not so as to confer any jurisdiction or powers upon any courts other than courts ordinarily exercising jurisdiction in or in relation to that State.
_________________ PROFILE: http://www.shaadi-direct.com/priyadas.htm |
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| Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:25 am |
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que10
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I believe per instrument of accession for princely states - Kashmir belongs to Pakistan.
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The reason our govt. is worried about getting kashmir, contrary to the popular opinion, is that most of our major rivers flow down from the kashmir valley and if india has total control of kashmir, the possiblity of them building dams and blocking water could mean disaster for pakistan which claims to be an agricultural state.
Speaking of agriculture, did u know that Pakistan bieng an agricultural state, this new govt do not have a minister of agriculture. Dont believe me, look it up.lol.
They have all other un-wanted minister, but not one for agriculture. What does that tell u about our considerate leaders. LOL.
God help Pakistan, 'se these so-called leaders sure wont.
_________________ "You are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE"... Jinnah, Aug 11th 1947. |
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| Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:33 am |
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ugly truth
Pak Newbie
Joined: 27 Aug 2008 Posts: 4
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first of all happy independence day to all....but r we independent yet? no we never have been....first we made pakistan uselessly by politics in the name of islam there by making riots and killing lot of innocent people behaving like uncivilised people and moreover our country is not islamic at all in any sense (e.g there is no islamic shariah in the country) even though the name ''pakistan''....we stupidly followed a leader who was not muslim in any sense (used to drink, smoke, didn't know how to pray, danced and married a non-muslim who didn't become muslim and so on etc etc)..we call him kaiday-aazam but he should be called baykaiday-azaam...and look at the condition of our country...i feel like we are in garbage and we have already made pakistan a big garbage...and now we want to take kashmir and make it super garbage...atleast the condition of kashmir is much much better than pakistan..we can't handle so small country pakistan and we also want kashmir?..forget it guys first we need to improve oursleves...we are fighting with eachother like uncivilised barbarians....we oursleves are not living peacefully and we are not letting others to live peacefully....prophet always said first improve urselves before pointing at others....its extremely sad that we do everything opposite to islam...shame on all of us...even though we know the condition we are not trying to improve it...we all are not original at all...we don't follow islam yes but we know how to follow bollywood..moreover its so shameful that the clebrities of pakistan (such as male and female actors of every field, singers and cricketers etc) are going shamelessly to india like beggars to earn over there and to settle over there peacefully and we already know the answer that the reason why they are doing that becoz they earn more there and the life is much much better there compared to our lives here...we all are responsible for this...shame on us..all the things we do is indian so we should talk how to clean pakistan rather than talking about taking kashmir....the women of pakistan do so much horrible makeup than other women which is haram...prophet said get knowledge and educate urslef but we only know how to become a lawyer becoz baykaiday-aazam was a lawyer..how stupid thinking it is...how many of pakistanis are in NASA and how many of them are excelling in the other super fields besides becoming a lawyer....there is a lot more to tell bad about (the list is endless) but we all know about it...look into ur hearts and we should start cleaning it from now...may allah help us.now guys we should keep our lips shut by keeping complete silence and not reacting to anything at all..we should start improving ourselves by cleaning pakistan becoz it will be the best way to do jihad for ourselves.its so disappointing to live in this condition..lets not loose hope and say pakistan zindabad
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