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DRAGONBOI
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EID & RAMADHAN, who is right and who is wrong?
Dear all
Some Pakistani satellite channels continuously insulting & propagate against the pushtoons on the issue of eid. They are playing with the feelings of Muslims & specially targeting the pathans, & the province of N.W.F.P
It is been proved each year in the past that, N.W.FP has always made the correct decision about EID & RAMADHAN. And inshAllah same is the case at this very moment. I my self witness the moon last evening, I am a common man I am not an expert to judge the right place to sight the moon but it was so clear even a person like me witness to saw her with grace of All Mighty Allah.
Now the question is why such conflicts arise in Pakistan? And why such propagandas been done in past & in recent?

Can any body tell me about the person name mufti mueeb ur rehman the chairman of Hilal committee that, what exactly he believe on?
Being a Pakistani & being a Muslim, have you ever tries to find out what & where the problem is?
Do you know what religion really practiced by the current Government heads (PPP)?

There are many small, medium, and some how a little larger group of different believes and they do call themselves as Muslims, I dont want to name those groups I am sure you guys have at-least heard about them. But let me ask you one question.

Suppose a person calling himself Muslim but with a huge (BUT)
Means yes I am Muslim (BUT) I dont believe on 5 time prayers, I believe 6 time prayers, 2 days of roza, yes I am Muslims (BUT) I dont believe on zakaat as it is not necessary and thousand other questions which I even dont want to write because It wouldnt make me feel good. Now answer me, will you accept such person to lead you for the jummah prayer?

This is my humble request to all the my country mens, please arise now wake up now
Be united now, we need to be together now, before the darkness put dark signs on our hearts. And we start hating each other like animals. Do study you creed please dont let the fake Muslims to destroy your lives. Dont let them to lead you anymore to no where.



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Today is a yet another day when it has been proved that Shahadats from NWFP are right. Today every body saw the moon and what a committee is this. Instead of accepting its mistake (rather a blunder) the chairman said "Chand ho to sub ko nazar ata hai". He did not say that with such a moon where every one can announce ramazan and eid is there any need for a committee (and a large expenditure on it).

Believe or not but tomorrow people instead of condemning this will argue to prove it right. It is a fact that you can arouse a person who is actually sleeping but you cant if some body has deliberately closing his eyes. We are people with deliberately closed eyes. We do not have the courage to say that the king is not wearing anything.

FACE THE TRUTH:


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Mash-Allah dr Khalid sb, you having such a deep observation about the subject & thanks for your matured & positive comments. i hope it will spark a light in someones heart & in future we hope for the unity and hope our country masses will open their eyes including us Smile

Dr khalid from mardan Smile i heard your name, i beg you pardon i guess i never met you because with the grace of All Mighty Allah i never been required for medical treatment Smile except i had a problem in my teethes for which i have visited to dr Ijaz & dr uzair for couple of times each Smile

so what is your specialized area ?
My name is Imran Yousafzai & i am also settled in Mardan Smile

Allah pa amaan


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Thanks for your comments. May Allah show all of us the right and true way of Islam. I am a medical specialist and have special interest in the diseases of the stomach and intestines. I can help any time. Welcome to all the brothers through this forum and directly.

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We have written many times about the "Hypocracy" of the Royiat e Hilal Committe & their wrong decisions which has always created a division amongst us.It has also given birth to Missconceptions & a fixed mind set against the Pashtoons of N.W.F.P.Whether the Wittnisses(SHAHADAT,s) from this Area should be accepted or these blunderers should declare that N.W.F.P is not the part of federation of Pakistan.Lame excusses mostly based on lingual & ethnic prejudice that causes a descrimination between the different segments of our society.Firstly majority of the people of Pakistan do not bother or strive hard to sight the moon(Crescent) theirselves & secondly people living in the centre of the cities have less posibility to sight moon.N.W.F.P is mostly comprises on high & baren mountains (KHYBER & SORROUNDING AREAS)there4 the people of that Area are always keen to sight the moon so that their Islamic months should be righty started or calculated.They have more experience & local calculations which side or area on the particular time the moon(crescent) can be sighted.So if they strive hard to sight & even take innitiatives to come with difficulties to the cities to record their wittnisses in front of "JAYED ULLEMAH,S"(Not self claimed Mufti,s etc).Who are paid & facilitated by the Governments on political bases thus proved to be biased mostly.Non of these "Sarkari Tankhwadar Moulawis" have religious or Moral courrage to accept their mistake.Eg.If they have started the month of Ramazan wrongly means they cannot announce after 28th ramazan the Eid even they gather to Sight moon on the wrong day thus cannot be able to decide the correct sighting.Jameya Binori Karachi Jayed Ullemahs have also supported the Ullemah,s of N.W.F.P decision & have mentioned the mistake of R.H.Committee starting Ramazan wrongly.So most of those people of Pakistan relies on Govt,TV,Radio & R.H.C blames Pastoons & N.W.F.P although based on predetermined,fixed ideas & Missconceptions.Mufti Muneeb ur Rahman credibility is anyway doubtfull bcoz belonging to that Area of N.W.F.P (Mansehra Hazara Division) who are having grudge with Pashtoons bcoz of changing N.W.F.P name to Pukhtoonkhwa.Solely based on their narrowmindness & prejudice.The famous of them is Capt.Retd.Safdar Son In Law of Nawaz Sharif,Nawaz Sharif Close Aide,s Sardar Mehtab Abbasi & others from that Region forcing Nawaz Sharif to make Blunder of raising his voice against the name of Pukhtoonkhwa due to which he has lost his support & popularity in this province.Without realising the Truth & the facts that amajority of his companions,friends & party leaders from Hazara division betrayed him when he was toppled by Musharaf.Not only this they have joined Musharaf,s regime & worked against Nawaz Sharif,s interests just for the sake of their own vested interests.Although it is not only the right of the majority of the people living in this province,I mean Pashtoons.It is without any doubt a matter of their recognition & identity.E.g.In Punjab province not only Punjabis but also different ethnic groups lives (Even Saraiki Waseb distance theirselves from Punjabis) in Punjab.But due to their Punjabi Majority no one is against the name of Punjab.The same way there are not only Sindhi,s living in Sindh rather Muhajhir,s,Pattans,Balochi,s etc there But it is called Sindh there4 we & accept it.So is in Balochistan where Balochis,Pashtoons,Hazara etc are living but due to Balochi,s Majority & history we do accept the name Balochistan identifying its historical background.So why the hell the people in Pakistan or rightly saying few prejudice individuals or socalled polititions are opposing the name Pukhtoonkhwa in which majority of the Pukhtoons are living & that area historical belongs to them thus give them their identification.Even if other different ethnic tribes have migrated or lives in N.W.F.P shouldn,t be against it like in other provinces.Why these different yard sticks & double standards should be applied against one of the Province which have joined the federation of Pakistan on their own wish & will pesuaded by Quaid e Azam.Although their rights,their sacrifices & services for the federation are not fully aknowledged rather mostly they are neglected like our other Balochi,s brothers who have also joined that federation with their wish & will are not only deprived/neglegted but also exploited.As long as these imperialist & feudal mindset imposed on this entire nation will time & again exploit us to create a division,hatred & prejudice amongst us on different Issues.We as a nation shouldn,t allow these buggers to split us on any issue like moon sighting,Provinces names etc.We should follow the ISLAMIC SHARIA in its real spirit as well the constitution of Pakistan also in its True spirit.

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بچھڑنہ ہے بچھڑ جاؤ مگر خیال رہے
یہ نا ہو عمر بھر تم کو پِھر ملال رہے
ترک تعلق کو اک لمحہ چاہیے ہے قاضی
سوچ لینا ہونٹوں پہ نا کوئی سوال رہے
Bicharrna Hai Bicharr Jao Magar Khayal Rahe
Ye Naho Umar Bhar Tum Ko Phir Malal Rahe
Tark Taluq Ko Ek Lamha Chahiye Hai Qazi
Soach Lena Honton Pey Na Koi Sawaal Rahe
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Thanks for such a mind (if any with those , who have been addressed ) provoking post.
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Most of these people criticising Pashtoons & local decision of celeberating Eid have no Idea about the "SHARAHI TOAJIH" & system of Islam about sighting of moon what so ever.They are brainwashed by their socalled leaders looted & plundered this nation & a group of "ULLEMA E SO,S" ready to do everything in the greed of wealth & in the lust of power.You can say these people are "LAKEER K FAQEER" following these people like cattles without educating theirselves about such sensitive "SHARAHI MASAYEL".Non of these socalled popular leader have celeberated Eid in Pakistan & those hypocrites sold souls like Moulana Fazal Ur Rahman are always their to split Muslims.Brainwashed innocent minds to send them to Jehad whereas keeping theirselves & their children in luxury back home.Moreover collecting for all such "SHAR" a lot of money from their foreign masters as well by blackmailing/extorting socalled rullers inside the country.When we will come out of our narrow shells of prejudice,ethnic/lingual descrimination etc to behave ourselves as one nation rather then a Nation,playing in the hands of these exploiters.Most of these people are narrowminded,biased,partial & selfish do everything only for their own vested interests.

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یہ نا ہو عمر بھر تم کو پِھر ملال رہے
ترک تعلق کو اک لمحہ چاہیے ہے قاضی
سوچ لینا ہونٹوں پہ نا کوئی سوال رہے
Bicharrna Hai Bicharr Jao Magar Khayal Rahe
Ye Naho Umar Bhar Tum Ko Phir Malal Rahe
Tark Taluq Ko Ek Lamha Chahiye Hai Qazi
Soach Lena Honton Pey Na Koi Sawaal Rahe
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People who want to celebrate Eid with Saudi Arabia should offer their 5 times prayer of the day with the Saudi timings in first place.


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enough is enough,,,why can't we use latest technology for this purpose and kindly don't make it an ethnic issue,,,let it remain a Religious issue and let s hope people from all walks of life to participate in it to find some genuine solution
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.....why can't we use latest technology for this purpose.....


Agreed. We have a much better option to use Science as a way of guidance in this matter.

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.....why can't we use latest technology for this purpose.....


Agreed. We have a much better option to use Science as a way of guidance in this matter.


Sorry to say that science cant play its role here coz at the end of the day u need eyes to see it, now even if you give a microscope to rowyat hilal commitee, they will still miss it, there is a footage on youtube in which they saw the moon that was on 20th so now you see and decide whether the first day moon is that big.

I totally agree we should not make it an ethnic issue, we should stay united but if eid was correct on sunday than how can you do it on monday, we cant give priority to govt of pakistan over Islam.

Check any islamic calendar online and you will see that eid was confirmed on monday, so why they were sitting on sunday evening to see the moon, on that day even a blind would have seen it, btw the topic we are discussing is one of the signs of the day of judgement (i think).

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Sorry to say that science cant play its role here coz at the end of the day u need eyes to see it, now even if you give a microscope to rowyat hilal commitee, they will still miss it, there is a footage on youtube in which they saw the moon that was on 20th so now you see and decide whether the first day moon is that big.

I totally agree we should not make it an ethnic issue, we should stay united but if eid was correct on sunday than how can you do it on monday, we cant give priority to govt of pakistan over Islam.

Check any islamic calendar online and you will see that eid was confirmed on monday, so why they were sitting on sunday evening to see the moon, on that day even a blind would have seen it, btw the topic we are discussing is one of the signs of the day of judgement (i think).


Sorry to say u didnt get my point. I said a way of 'guidance', not something to rely upon completely. Your familiarity of science isnt enough as you consider a microscope to see the moon. You cant find it forever with it.. because a telescope is a thing used for celestial observations.

The Moon-set time on 19th was only 3 minutes later than the Sun. You need minimum 20! Its a fact.

"200 observations in 3 minutes' is a big number which is easily recongized as a lie if you have ever seen a crescent moon & that which is less than 1% in phase (which is almost never recoreded & accepted in the history), also not having favorable separation from Sun. So all is far fetched.. & the good thing is people of Pakistan are literate enough to catch it. Its like dividing by zero.


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ak_akhan wrote:
Sorry to say that science cant play its role here coz at the end of the day u need eyes to see it, now even if you give a microscope to rowyat hilal commitee, they will still miss it, there is a footage on youtube in which they saw the moon that was on 20th so now you see and decide whether the first day moon is that big.

I totally agree we should not make it an ethnic issue, we should stay united but if eid was correct on sunday than how can you do it on monday, we cant give priority to govt of pakistan over Islam.

Check any islamic calendar online and you will see that eid was confirmed on monday, so why they were sitting on sunday evening to see the moon, on that day even a blind would have seen it, btw the topic we are discussing is one of the signs of the day of judgement (i think).


Sorry to say u didnt get my point. I said a way of 'guidance', not something to rely upon completely. Your familiarity of science isnt enough as you consider a microscope to see the moon. You cant find it forever with it.. because a telescope is a thing used for celestial observations.

The Moon-set time on 19th was only 3 minutes later than the Sun. You need minimum 20! Its a fact.

"200 observations in 3 minutes' is a big number which is easily recongized as a lie if you have ever seen a crescent moon & that which is less than 1% in phase (which is almost never recoreded & accepted in the history), also not having favorable separation from Sun. So all is far fetched.. & the good thing is people of Pakistan are literate enough to catch it. Its like dividing by zero.


200 people LIERS and 1 person with knowledge of 3 minutes latter the sun, less than 1% in phase is RIGHT ? ??????
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\The Moon-set time on 19th was only 3 minutes later than the Sun. You need minimum 20! Its a fact.

"200 observations in 3 minutes' is a big number which is easily recongized as a lie if you have ever seen a crescent moon & that which is less than 1% in phase (which is almost never recoreded & accepted in the history), also not having favorable separation from Sun. So all is far fetched.. & the good thing is people of Pakistan are literate enough to catch it. Its like dividing by zero.
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200 people LIERS and 1 person with knowledge of 3 minutes latter the sun, less than 1% in phase is RIGHT ? ??????


Don't loose your mind after all the desperation you got after your illogical presentations.

Alhumdulillah I am not the only one with knowledge of the time of Moonset & sunset & the phase of the moon.

Get outside of your little blind world & see that almost every newspaper of Pakistan, Media, Political Leaders, Almost all Ulama-e-Karaam, Universities, Space Institutes, Astronomers, Meteorologists, Observatories of the world with their ephemeris-es & other Scientists know these SOLID FACTS that you cant stand & the best part is most people of Pakistan know this & celeberated Eid on the 21st. Even in NWFP, sensible people celebrated Eid there on 21st too & knew they were right. It hurts you only.. even after days.


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Dear brother pkpunk,

Akhir ghussa ahi gaya. Cool it brother. If you call 200 people liers with one blow then dont be annoyed when some body calling you the same. Its a discussion and not a war. You must listen to others too and should avoid the use of absolute words to express yourself.

I agree that you are the only one in this discussion or the forum who has knowledge of the astronomy or astrology and many of us either dont know it or dont have enough knowledge of it. The same was the case in Arab at the time of prophet (PBUH). Only few people like you knew the science of astrology. Thats why stress was on naked eye sighting rather than on astrological calculations. The sole purpose was to allow the participation of common man in the process and not just relying on the few who were expert although errors of judgment are both possible for an astrologist as well as a common man. No body is absolutely right.

Knowledge of Astrology should be used to help in the process of moon sighting. It should not be used to call others as liers. Pre-determined ,fixed and inflexible ideas based on measurements is the root cause of the moon sighting problem. If you study the media few days before eid, you will see many predictions that moon will be observable on such and such dates and not on such and such dates. The sole purpose of this planned media campaign is to nullify in advance the moon sighting in NWFP and to create a ground for the decision of CRH committee, wrong or right. This is not the first time rather its a common and repeated practice.

Lets hope this is not repeated again , the knowledge of astrology is used for help in the moon sighting process and not for degradation and insult of others and all people celebrate eid on the same day.
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I have noticed that in the recent past controversies regarding the sighting of Ramadan or Eid Crescent (Chand) is gaining ground. In my opinion the curse of democratize uniformity is being fanned to match with the western form of carefree convenience (attitude) of inter religion uniformity and harmony. For example the leading of Friday prayer by a lady Imam, mixed men & women gatherings in Masjid, using the facilities of Masjid as a community centre for different occasions and one dish party, Issuance of several absurd Fatwas such as no harm in acquiring a house or a car for personal use based on Riba financing. Eating meat of Halal animals irrespective whether they were slaughtered according to Islamic rites or not and several other matters matching mostly the way and festivals of non Muslims are all a testimony of it.

I totally fail to understand how the Muslims of certain areas not start Fasting or Celebrate Eid upon sighting the crescent (Chand). If the Chand appears in certain areas and is supported by the witnesses as per the Shariah requirements then how can the people ignore it and follow the orders of the Ruet e Hilal committee for a country wide observance or celebrations. After all this is not the issue of standardizing the time throughout the length and breath of a country. If Ramadan or Eid is celebrated in NWFP after the sighting of Chand then no one ever should have any objection to it. In fact it should be appreciated. Our beloved Nabi (SAW) has not left any question un-answered so why do we need an answer from a different source.

I love Saudi Arabia and take pride in that country but to celebrate our Ramadan & Eid or other Muslim festivals based on their sighting of Chand in Saudi Arabia, is in my opinion not correct unless it so happens that the Chand also appears in our region simultaneously.

Wallaho A'alam Bis Sawab.

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dragonboi app ne topic to acha banaya hai
lekin aik baat butayoo ajkal hum logo mai tahmul or bardashat nahi rahi
is topic per bohat sari aisi batien ho gi jo app se bardashat nahi ho gi
or bohat sari aisi batein ho gi jo doosro se bardashat nahi ho gi

jahan tek baat hai pushtoono ya NWFP ki insult karne ki mai kahoo gi k app theek ke rehe ho
hamare media ne inna shor machaya k jab tek baat ka batanger nahi ban gia usse chora nahi
or wo kehte hai na ghar k bhedi lanka dhaye. aisa hi hai. NWFP k politicians ne khud mazaq banaya hai pashtoono or moqa dia pakistan mukhalif anasar ko humein aik doosre k khilaf karne ka.

NWFP mai pehli baar aisa nahi hua hai k eid baqi mulk se alag manayi gai ho
ye to bohat salo ya shyad shoroo se hi hai lekin kabhi hum ne poori duniya mai iss baat per
khud hi apni insult nahi karwai jaisa k hum ajkal ker rehe hai
ye sub karne k maqsad sirf awam ko divide karna hai
or iss mai hamare sare politicians, establishement shamil hai
baat isrf mufti muneeb ki nahi hai
ye mufti muneeb or ye bashir balor jaise ye sub aik hi theli k chatte butte hai
inka maqsad sirf apna ulloo seedha karna hai
jiske liye ye humein sirf istimaal karte hai

or jahan tek baat hai Govt. ki or islam ki
aik islami mulk mai jo faisla hakoome waqat karti hai agar wo ghalat hai to uska baar bhi ussi per hota hai.

or jahan tek baat hai hamari Govt. ya sadar ki to app sub jante hai k ye Govt. kaise bani hai
is Govt. ko banane mai awam ka kum or dulare politicians k zyada haath hai jin ko hum bohat acha mante hai
kya NWFP se ANP ne Zardari ko sadarat k liye vote nahi diay. kya punjab mai Muslim league (n) ne apna hissa nahi dala
kya Sindh k politician ne vote nahi dia ya Balochistan k politician peeche reh gai. ye sub k sub aik hi hai. apni kursi se mohabbat karne wale.

kyon sif eid k chand per jhagra khara kia gia. kyon sirf eid k chand pe roowiate hillal committee ko nishana bnaya jata hai. jab ramzan k chang dekhna tha to us waqat kyo NWFP k politician ne shor nahi machaya k roza aik din baad mai rukhwaya ja raha hai. take ghalti wahi se pakri jati. kyon Masjid Qasim ki roowiate hillal committee ko ramzan k chand per kyo ahmiat nahi di gai waja. kya uss waqat us ka faisla ghalat tha or ab sahi hai. jab hum roze hi aik saath nahi rakhte to phir eid per a ker kyon jhagarte hai.
ye sub isliye kia jata hai take na sirf soobo ki awam aik doosre k khilaf ho balke sari duniya ko pata chale k Pakistani aik nahi hai.

ye politicians kabhi pakistan se sincere nahi hai. ye hum awam ko chahiye k hum khud ko ko tootne na de.

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Dear brother pkpunk,

Akhir ghussa ahi gaya. Cool it brother. If you call 200 people liers with one blow then dont be annoyed when some body calling you the same. Its a discussion and not a war. You must listen to others too and should avoid the use of absolute words to express yourself.

I agree that you are the only one in this discussion or the forum who has knowledge of the astronomy or astrology and many of us either dont know it or dont have enough knowledge of it. The same was the case in Arab at the time of prophet (PBUH). Only few people like you knew the science of astrology. Thats why stress was on naked eye sighting rather than on astrological calculations. The sole purpose was to allow the participation of common man in the process and not just relying on the few who were expert although errors of judgment are both possible for an astrologist as well as a common man. No body is absolutely right.

Knowledge of Astrology should be used to help in the process of moon sighting. It should not be used to call others as liers. Pre-determined ,fixed and inflexible ideas based on measurements is the root cause of the moon sighting problem. If you study the media few days before eid, you will see many predictions that moon will be observable on such and such dates and not on such and such dates. The sole purpose of this planned media campaign is to nullify in advance the moon sighting in NWFP and to create a ground for the decision of CRH committee, wrong or right. This is not the first time rather its a common and repeated practice.

Lets hope this is not repeated again , the knowledge of astrology is used for help in the moon sighting process and not for degradation and insult of others and all people celebrate eid on the same day.


drkhalidfcps, have a look again how you replied to my message, i did nothing except replying you the same way. You may use big fonts to emphasize your claim but forgot that others can too.

Again, to the content of my last message.. you commented that i am the only one with the objection of moonset timing etc. Its the voice of whole world only if you can see a little farther enough from your own comforting zone.

I never said i have knowledge of Astrology.. neither i support it very much. Yes i presented logical evidence from the knowledge of Astronomy. But again i consider moon sighting as must. But how can someone support it when people claim they saw it when it wasnt even possible in realtime. I hope you know enough to realize that the position of the moon & its parameters are absolutely accurate with almost no possibility of error in this modern world. And the Holy Quran presents the best claim of it.

Now, before blaming me to call other lairs..
I should recall who created these topics. Who said the whole Pakistan liar by saying 19th moon was correct? The topics.. "Funny Moon Sighting" & "who is right and who is wrong?" Can someone give me a possible reason to start topic like these..? Only they are sources of fitna, to spread it among brothers. If you haven't intended this, you must havent created this.

What you see in my message is the backdraft of fire you spread in my homeland Pakistan. Lets remind who created these discussions on multiple sites. Dont blame this to me.


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enough is enough,,,why can't we use latest technology for this purpose and kindly don't make it an ethnic issue,,,let it remain a Religious issue and let s hope people from all walks of life to participate in it to find some genuine solution


Why do we at all need to see the Chand in the first place, we can simply fix a date to observe our festivals as others are doing, after all we the present bunch of Muslims love to follow them in all earnest.

NO NO NOT AT ALL, we need to follow our BOOK and we need to follow our Beloved Prophet (PBUH) every day all the time and on all matters until we are lowered in our grave. We dont need to use any astrological calculations. We should be relaying on seeing the moon as was done by our Beloved Prophet (PBUH) and great Sahabas of the Prophet (PBUH). There is absolutely no harm to observe Ramadan or Eid after the appearance of the crescent in certain places. This is not Pakistan Standard Time issue. This is something where you follow the religious rulings or don't follow the religious rulings.

Only 15 years ago we never had this controversy, everything was fine why suddenly all this fuss? These are planned brainwashing to gradually change the way Muslims think about Quran and the sayings of our beloved Prophet (PBUH).

The biggest QUESTION (irritant) the non Muslims have against the Muslims today is "Why the Muslims follows their religion so earnestly? Why do they not change the pattern of Islam as was done by the Christians and Jews with their respective religions?

Wallaho A'alam Bissawab.

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People who want to celebrate Eid with Saudi Arabia should offer their 5 times prayer of the day with the Saudi timings in first place.


For your information Prayer Timings are based upon Sun not on Moon sighting. A very different issue.Very Happy

Coming to this issue as I mentioned earlier in this forum technology uses 5 different methods to calculate moon birth. Shortest moon cycle is approx. 27 days and the longest is approx 29.5 days. Please give your scientific reasons to choose any one of them. Search for my post in this forum if you want to refer to it.
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Now, before blaming me to call other lairs.. [/size]I should recall who created these topics. Who said the whole Pakistan liar by saying 19th moon was correct? The topics.. "Funny Moon Sighting" & "who is right and who is wrong?" Can someone give me a possible reason to start topic like these..? Only they are sources of fitna, to spread it among brothers. If you haven't intended this, you must havent created this.

What you see in my message is the backdraft of fire you spread in my homeland Pakistan. Lets remind who created these discussions on multiple sites. Dont blame this to me.


I did not blame you, rather you actually called the 200 observations by Muslims from NWFP as a lie in one of your post earlier.

pkpunk wrote:
"200 observations in 3 minutes' is a big number which is easily recongized as a lie if you have ever seen a crescent moon & that which is less than 1% in phase (which is almost never recoreded & accepted in the history), also not having favorable separation from Sun. So all is far fetched.. & the good thing is people of Pakistan are literate enough to catch it. Its like dividing by zero.
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Similarly please dont interpret my post wrongly I never said in any post that the whole Pakistan is lair. I simply wanted to initiate a discussion which can help solve this problem of moon sighting for ever. The reason I used the world FUNNY was simply to point that the moon was visible on TV screen and with this big moon the CRHC should not have taken pains to collect shahadats from all over the country. They should have simply said that as the moon is visible to almost all the viewers on this TV broadcast so tomorrow will be eid. Is'nt it funny that some one see this big moon and still wait till 9.0 for PTV news for CRHC announcement?

Secondly presenting our point of view is not spreading fire in 'YOUR HOMELAND". The worlds 'fire you spread in my MY HOMELAND" itself again point to your self-centeredness. Presuming that you are correct in calling it "your homeland" then you are also correct in celebrating eid with "YOUR RUYAT E HILAL COMMITTEE" but then you should not object on our moon sighting by our RHC but my friend the fact is we are not aliens or foreigners in this country. This is "OUR HOMELAND" as well and not merely your homeland. We all own it and love it. We dont spread fire but simply want our voice to be heard in our homeland and nothing more.

Lastly Forumpakistan is a discussion forum and we all can share ,discuss and review any problem relating to our country. Moon sighting is a long standing issue that still need to be solved. These posts relating to moon sighting are not sources of Fitna but sources of sharing our thoughts and views. The proof is your participation in all these discussions yourself. If I and my other brothers had not started this discussion how could you had expressed yourself? Calling others point of view a fitna or observations as lie will never solve this problem. You must listen to others even if you dont agree.

Dear pkpunk,
Please dont take my this post personally. I am sorry in advance if this has hurt you as I do not intend to do so. We all are like a family and may be we have some "Gilai shikway" in our hearts regarding moon sighting we would never want to hurt each other.


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I totally agree with the NWFP government suggestion about following Saudi Arabia for Eid and Ramadan. Islam does not believe in national boundaries. If moon is sighted in any part of the world and an authentic announcement is made, why should we not accept it. If someone says that we cannot follow Saudi and we need sight moon in Pakistan, then using the same logic, other may say that I sight the moon in NWFP and need not follow the sighting of Islamabad.
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