Double standards of our present judiciary

The recent decisions of Pakistan present judiciary shows that they are biased,partial,dependent & having double standards.I am not supporter or follower of PML(N) or Nawaz Sharif rather a strick critic of them but i have to mention & start this new topic,to give a fruit of thought to the nation by posting our impartial views.How is it possible to give indemnity & free hand to the most corrupt person Zardari but in the meantime do not allow the Nawaz Sharif to contest election?Doesn,t it shows the favouriteism of judiciary & that they are dependent?.The role of Pakistani judiciary were never appreciable in the last 61 years but now we are in the 21st century & by at large tthe media is free & independent.Please for the sake of Pakistan post your serious views.

Simple question -- How a judge decide on a case?? Rules made by Government or president ... this is a result of NRO .... now some cases for which zardari was facing trial .. and was in jail for some years .... were not any more effective so i do not see any basis for judges to decide on those corruption charges ............. so based on this decision i cant say judges were partial or dishonest .......

why they have decide against Nawaz?? i do not know exactly but it may be based on some case .... if anyone has info about that then please let us know ..........

judiciary is always under the control of executive.

But it should not be.It is only due to our corrupt political system that they always want the judiciary to serve theeir interests.I have always mentioned that Pakistan can be describe as:"Chor ne Chor Ko pakrra,Chor ne Chor Ko Chor Ke samne Paich Kar diya Aur Chor Ne Chor Ko Muhaf kar diya" means the whole system is corrupt from clerk till President.Allah should give us hidayat to repent so that our punishment through all these corrupt socalled leadership is finished.I don,t agree with Meezan if realy trialed with a will behind it every crime of Zardari could be proved.Is there any precident in the Pakistan political history that any corrupt,criminal etc sourcefull person was punished?It is not the criteria for any criminal to remain in the custody or jail no matter for how long but if the real will is not behind & used eeverything for the wested interrest as converted by Musharraf against Benazir & Zardari in the form of NRO,itself shows the intentions behind it.Otherwise why they would get into this out of way deal & controversies.Why it has only given selective immmunity for the exact period & not across the board.There shouldn,t be different yard sticks to measure.

the current judiciary is a bunch of hypocrites

AH AH AH

I DONT KNOW WHETHER TO LAUGH OR WEEP

WITH REGARD TO ALL ABOVE POSTS I WILL JUST SAY SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE

...............AND STILL WE AS A NATION DEMANDED , AND MADE THE REINSTATEMENT OF JUDGES (CHAUDHRI ETC).
TO SUCH A BIG EXTENT WE EVEN DID NOT THINK THAT OUR THIS EXTREME LOVE FOR REINSTATEMENT OF THE JUDGES IS PROVIDING THE BIG THIEVES (ZARDARI AND SHAREEF ETC) TO COME TO POWER...............

AS A NATION WE HAVE ALWAYS SUFFERED BY BECOMING A PUPPET IN THE HAND OF THE CLEVER CHEATERS
BUT WE ARE REPEATING THE SAME MISTAKE AGAIN AND AGAIN

Dear Ahmet because we didn,t like Musharraf as well who was equally responsible for all this happening.You can easilly say is the continuation of the same policies,to be the western dogs (Musharraf was shown as a pet dog to the USA in one cartoon there).You have to also realise that Musharraf used to blame & call them corrupt,why the hell he join hands with them to save his chair.Who sign & allow out of way these plunderers through NRO.It takes always two,don,t forget & "Two wrongs never make one right".We strongly oppose & dislike Zardari his Chalees chors & all others proven corrupt leaders of different parties including socalled Islamic parties who are equally involved in all the corruption.Coolly think what Musharraf has lead us towards.A true man never goes back on his stance & words.If you remember in the begining of Muusharraf regime we all patriots have welcomed him & supported him but the time have proved him as lier & corrupt like others eg.Faisal Saleh Hayat were arrested as a defaulter of millions of banking loans etc & the Sherpao absconded were chased by thee NAB (He went underground) & the same corrupt person when join Musharraf on his terms appointed interior minister (The most important post) the same is happpening now also the most corrupt beaurocrat also ran away from the law & went to London Rahman Malik who also mediated the talks between Musharraf & Benazir & now he is holding a most important post for which high level of patriotism & loyalty are tthe creterion.Please call "Spade A Spade" atleast.No doubt that the biggest disaster is the Zardari to become President but may me it is our own deeds as a nation as said in persian"KHUD KARDA RA LA HILAAG E NAIST".[/list]

Dear Mr. Qazi
I fully agree with your views
May be i failed to put up my observation properly

My point was not restricted just to the period of Musharaf

I mentioned the Pakistan judges in general, and their approaches, right from 1947 to date. Of course, there must be some very honest and patriot judges, and i dont want to put them in this bracket, however, in general our judges were
always instrumental in playing games eith the corrupt politicians.

Our politicians are -------------- its ok .... but still i am looking for some reasoning which can let me understand the "double standards" of current judges ......... some arguments .....

i do not like most of the politicians but i consider people responsible for the situation because they used to elect most of them ............. so if majority of people can consider election a serious business and they can be "educated" about all these people then the situation can improve ......

i do not like judicial system too ...... but still its not the worst in comparison to other systems in pakistan .......... although i do not have any special interest in restoration of "the special group of judges" but i find it logical and i think it may result in some good changes in the system ......

Dear Mr.Ahmet:I know that we all are concerned about Pakistan & we all have "Dard" for Pakistan there4 sometime our talks goes across.I agree with you that the judiciary role were never appriciable or one should be prouud of.infact the total system is wrong & corrupt "Awe Ka aawa hi bigrra huwa he" that includes we as a nation.As I know from my experiences we abroad living Pakistanis act more patriotic because we have no direct stake in any things but because we are the part of this nation & it is our identity there4 we suffer more.Anyway Allah can only help us to keep our country intact & that he should save us from all these Chors.I wish you a Ramadan Mubbarak.

Dear Mr Qazi, I agree with you that we (whole nation) is responsible for this suitation. we do not oppose the militry Generals when they take over and topple down the democratic govt. Although Zardari and Sharif are not ideal rulers but much better than militry. We whole nation should support Ch. Iftikhar (CJ) because he took a firm stand against this nasty, corrupt, scum of the earth and rouge army.

the present judges are biased and under the influence of govt
they must REMEMBER THAT ONE DAY THEY HAVE TO DIE
AND GO BEFORE ALMIGHTY GOD

	drasgharmalik wrote:
	the present judges are biased and under the influence of govt they must REMEMBER THAT ONE DAY THEY HAVE TO DIE AND GO BEFORE ALMIGHTY GOD

I AM SORRY I DONT AGREE WITH THE WORDS..........THE PRESENT JUDGES ARE BIASED AND UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF GOVERNMENT..................

NO NO NO
APART FROM SOME VERY HONEST AND DEDICATED JUDGES

THE REST HAVE NEVER BEEN UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE GOVERNMENT
BECAUSE THE JUDGES WERE ALWAYS CONSPIRATING WITH THE GOVERNMENT, TO LOOT THE WEALTH OF PAKISTAN

THE POLITICIANS WERE EATING THE NATIONAL WEALTH, AND THE JUDGES WERE SHOWING THEM THE
LEGAL WAY HOW TO LEGALISE ALL THIS LOOT

OTHERWISE JUST TELL ME WITHOUT THE HELP OF LAW
HOW COME A POLITICIAN CAN LOOT

JUST LOOK AT THE LIST OF PROPERTIES OF ZARDARI FOR EXAMPLE,,,,,,,,,,,IN THIS FORUM...........
DO YOU THINK HE COULD HAVE ACCUMULATE THIS MUCH HELP WITH THE HELP OF HIS FRIENDS IN THE JUDICIARY

THEY ARE ALL THE SAME

Everyone select judges to suit their needs.Law of necessaty have destroy our judicial system in short "AAWE KA AAWA HI BIGRRA HUWA HE".The entire political system itself is so corrupt that anyone try to change the system will be harshly treated by the entire system.

Dear Mr. Qazi, Ahmet and other Friends.,

There is a very positive discussion between you people. I have been reading your comments even in other threads also. You have been very optimist at least at one point. If we agree that as a nation all this is result of our own faults to allow such people reach in power. Then I think, every matter will be OK and there will be no need of depending upon such Judiciary if positive people reach to govern Pakistan. These JUDGES are manuered in favour of governers because they are corrupts (but allowed to govern by our own people). I will request you people not to fall in PACIMISM and keep your forces up focusing into bring the nation know their electing power. We as youngs of Pakistani Nation have to go a long way to convince our people not to repeat our past errors electing CHOWDRIS, JAGEERDARS, WADERAS, GENERAL etc. come in power. 18th Feb 2008 was a clear proof that inspite of a Military ruler in power, people have prooved well to bring at least a civilian government in power (although corrupt people again reached to power by our error), but at least we have reached to a civilian government. Now we must have patience and make another change in coming 5 years preparing ourselves not to repeat same errors. Be sure, God is seeing all this change in your minds, and HE is great RAHEEM. He is seeing the changing thoughts in your´s minds. I am quite sure, GOD will send somebody positive according to your thoughts. Please keep yourselves OPTIMIST and continue your hard work in this long long way. We have to keep running on this way. GOD HELP YOU & OUR YOUNGS TO SUCCEED ON THEIR HARD WAY - AMEEN.

Hi All

What everyone is saying that this is a people Government is a wrong concept if you look into the political system of Pakistan. Do you think that “Wadareas” “Chowries” “Shahs” “Rabbani” and Gillanis are the true representatives of Pakistan? These people are the production of that suppressive system which is there in their areas and they never wanted to change this system in their own interest. If you look deeply you will find wherever this system does not prevail the things changes sometimes and all these people are kicked away. That is the reason all these above mentioned categories are their as a yes man with no character. I have been to interior of Baluchistan, Sind and Punjab and this unjustified system will never change unless the people are given supremacy in terms of basic facilities, education and true human rights. This is the reason no Government has taken a proper step to change this system. Any true change is going to wipe out these shameless leaders from this country which they don’t want. All the Governments formed on the basis of this system can never ever be the true Pakistani leaders.

kardar wrote:

Hi All

What everyone is saying that this is a people Government is a wrong concept if you look into the political system of Pakistan. Do you think that “Wadareas” “Chowries” “Shahs” “Rabbani” and Gillanis are the true representatives of Pakistan? These people are the production of that suppressive system which is there in their areas and they never wanted to change this system in their own interest. If you look deeply you will find wherever this system does not prevail the things changes sometimes and all these people are kicked away. That is the reason all these above mentioned categories are their as a yes man with no character. I have been to interior of Baluchistan, Sind and Punjab and this unjustified system will never change unless the people are given supremacy in terms of basic facilities, education and true human rights. This is the reason no Government has taken a proper step to change this system. Any true change is going to wipe out these shameless leaders from this country which they don’t want. All the Governments formed on the basis of this system can never ever be the true Pakistani leaders.

Hi KARDAR.

Glad to know your thoughts, I do respect your opinion but one thing I have noted is that you are aware of the WRONGS happening in the past or till present in our system. This is exactly what is needed, we need to increase awareness in our NATION. I know well that the people living in far parts of our country are not able to participate in changing the system but now a days, you people have a strongest support of MEDIA for expressing yourselves. That is why this change from Military to Civil Rule has become possible. Please maintain your forces up and keep on working positively of making people around you more aware of the political situation. I hope our Great God will help us to have a good change in the coming times. We as Muslims have to remain OPTIMIST from ALLAH´s Rehmat and not to be pacimist. God help us in our struggle - AMEEN.

Good thoughts "Gomez". I am also of the opinion that increasing awareness of the situation plus increasing discussion between "thinking" pakistanis will result in a better future ...... we should share our views no matter how different these views are from others and try to find out views of other fellows to learn better possibilities .......... be open to accept mistakes if found any ....

also important is to allow everybody to keep views different from others doesnt matter we like their views or not ........... disagreement and discussion is good but disrespect is bad ....

ssmeezan wrote:

Good thoughts "Gomez". I am also of the opinion that increasing awareness of the situation plus increasing discussion between "thinking" pakistanis will result in a better future ...... we should share our views no matter how different these views are from others and try to find out views of other fellows to learn better possibilities .......... be open to accept mistakes if found any ....

also important is to allow everybody to keep views different from others doesnt matter we like their views or not ........... disagreement and discussion is good but disrespect is bad ....

Yes ssmeezan, I have seen this sense of bearing each other in these threads, although there is a small percentage of people non-tolerants, but I think our youngs must continue in this work ignoring those comments. I have a good hope from Almight Allah that very soon, our youngs will have a major part of people convinced of their thoughts. Just a continuous continuity is needed, tireless continuity. Please continue... I pray for you people.

We as a Muslim should remain optimists,we should not throw away the towel.I agree that we should wait for some time but as a nation should not allow to fall in a drag.We should act as a nation & when we see that the socalled leadership is not performing in the interest of the nation we should collectively stop it at spot & make them realise that we should not to be taken for grant or for ride.Yes indeed it should be our objective to educate the nation,form a seasoned,educated & balanced minded pressure group to keep an eye on the Government.United we stand & we should preffer the national interest over our own personal like/dislike,Affiliation & interests.

When time will come for our country to have indpendent Judiary in order to provide justice to all. If a nation is without ADel and INsaf , that means the people are still slaves and they do not possess their basic rights as a human being, so all of us are living as salves in an independent country. Under such conditions no one should expect progress, peace and security and development. So I pray for Indenpent Judiary in the real sense, the one where everybody whatever top position he /she may have including the chief justices, president, PM, and all should be accountable to law and should be answerable.
Yours
Latif[/b]

Very right !!!

[quote="nasirsh04"]Dear Mr Qazi, I agree with you that we (whole nation) is responsible for this suitation. we do not oppose the militry Generals when they take over and topple down the democratic govt. Although Zardari and Sharif are not ideal rulers but much better than militry. We whole nation should support Ch. Iftikhar (CJ) because he took a firm stand against this nasty, corrupt, scum of the earth and rouge army.[/quote] Very Happy

you say the army is rogue do not forget who is looking after your arse when it gets too hot and you find a corner to hide it is the rogue army that is there proud to support the brave pakistani army

the justice system is a joke

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