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AOa

mere bhai

iss hadith k baray main according to my information muhadaseen ne kaha hai k jhuti baat hai jo Rasul ALLAH sale la hu alaehe waslam ki taraf mansub ki jati hai .....

plus sahi bukhari last volume main jo rasul ALLAH ne kainat ki takhliq k mutaliq bataya hai uss k bhi against hai ..

anyhow jaisay hi time milta hai main apko clear karnay ki koshish karta hun.... INSHALLAH ....

AOa

mere bhai

iss hadith k baray main according to my information muhadaseen ne kaha hai k jhuti baat hai jo Rasul ALLAH sale la hu alaehe waslam ki taraf mansub ki jati hai .....

plus sahi bukhari last volume main jo rasul ALLAH ne kainat ki takhliq k mutaliq bataya hai uss k bhi against hai ..

anyhow jaisay hi time milta hai main apko clear karnay ki koshish karta hun.... INSHALLAH ....

AOa

mere bhai

iss hadith k baray main according to my information muhadaseen ne kaha hai k jhuti baat hai jo Rasul ALLAH sale la hu alaehe waslam ki taraf mansub ki jati hai .....

plus sahi bukhari last volume main jo rasul ALLAH ne kainat ki takhliq k mutaliq bataya hai uss k bhi against hai ..

anyhow jaisay hi time milta hai main apko clear karnay ki koshish karta hun.... INSHALLAH ....

Janab E Wala app ko sharam aani cahiye aik Sahi Hadith ko ghalat kehtay howay.
Aghar yeh Hadith ghalat hai tu iss ko itnay zyada Muhaddisen ne riwayat kyon kia ?

Yeh lain iss hadith ki sannad.

here starts the clash of deobandi/ehl e hadees with baraylvi, this hadith comes from baraylvi sect. and was confirmed by Mr Qadri. So of course people belonging to that sect would believe it and others wont, there is no need to fight over it. lets not start this debate over here.

Aqsa I suggest you to please next time send out information which doesnt create a conflict.

Thanks

	The Legend wrote:
	Janab E Wala app ko sharam aani cahiye aik Sahi Hadith ko ghalat kehtay howay. Aghar yeh Hadith ghalat hai tu iss ko itnay zyada Muhaddisen ne riwayat kyon kia ? Yeh lain iss hadith ki sannad.

Mr Legend the certificate is changed graphically on computer could you please tell us what was written underneath the word "چند لوگ" ?

its a very good forum and i am impressed with great information here

o mere bhai

musanif abdul razzaq main yeh hadith ap logo ne year 2000 main shamil ki hai

uss se pahly yeh exist hi nahi karti thee

thats why ap iss ko juz mafqood ka naam dete hain Smile

Brailvi hazrat ko yeh soch lena chahiye k sari duniya un k muqalado ki tarah jahil nahi hai ...

anyhow ap ne manana to hai nahi

lekin main yahan par sirf iss liye likh raha hun k baqi logo ko ap gumrah na kar sakain .baqi raha iss hadith ki takhreej ka sawal to INSHALLAH jald hi ap ki khidmat main pesh kar di jaye gee ..

i m busy on audit now a days .....

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SArfaraz Ahmed

	ugwaraich wrote:
	here starts the clash of deobandi/ehl e hadees with baraylvi, this hadith comes from baraylvi sect. and was confirmed by Mr Qadri. So of course people belonging to that sect would believe it and others wont, there is no need to fight over it. lets not start this debate over here. Aqsa I suggest you to please next time send out information which doesnt create a conflict. Thanks

HADITH KO GHALAT BAYAN KARNA AUR HAZOOR (SAW) KI SHAN MAIN GHUSTAKHIAN KARNA DEOBANDION/WAHABION KA KAM HAI.
AUR MAAN GHARAT AHADITH BHI BAYAN KARNA INHEE 2 SECTS (WAHABI/DEOBANDION) KA KAM HAI HUMARA NAHI.
AUR DAMAGH KO ZARA THEKANE RAKH KAR BAAT KIA KARAIN.

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sarfarazlovesu wrote:

o mere bhai

musanif abdul razzaq main yeh hadith ap logo ne year 2000 main shamil ki hai

uss se pahly yeh exist hi nahi karti thee

thats why ap iss ko juz mafqood ka naam dete hain Smile

Brailvi hazrat ko yeh soch lena chahiye k sari duniya un k muqalado ki tarah jahil nahi hai ...

anyhow ap ne manana to hai nahi

lekin main yahan par sirf iss liye likh raha hun k baqi logo ko ap gumrah na kar sakain .baqi raha iss hadith ki takhreej ka sawal to INSHALLAH jald hi ap ki khidmat main pesh kar di jaye gee ..

i m busy on audit now a days .....

Regards

SArfaraz Ahmed

TUM LOGHON KO SIRF NABI-E-PAK (SAW) KI SHAAN SAY CHIR HOTI HAI.
AHLE HADITH HO YA DEOBANDI HO TU 1 KUCH HE NA.
KHAIR TUMHARE JAWAB KA INTAZAR KARON GA.
AUR MUSANAF ABDUR RAZZAQ MAIN YEH HADITH HAMESHA SAY HAI AUR ISS HADITH KO TUMHARE KISI BAAP DADA NE NIKAL DIA THA PER HUMAIN USS K ASLI NUSKHAI MILL GAI.
NAHI MANTAY TU NAH MANO TUMHARI BAD QISMATI.

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o mere bhai yeh batain k kab nikali gayee thee?

aur ap iss ko juzz ul mafqood kyon kahtay ho?

aur yah batain k sahi bukhari main hadees hai k ALLAH ne sab se pahly qalam ko paida farmaya

ub ap batain k sahi bukhari main dee gaye hadees sahi hai ya jo ap ne fabricate ki hai woh sahi hai

yaar waisay ap ne hadeesain gharnay k specialist kahan se hasil kiye hain?

	sarfarazlovesu wrote:
	o mere bhai yeh batain k kab nikali gayee thee? aur ap iss ko juzz ul mafqood kyon kahtay ho? aur yah batain k sahi bukhari main hadees hai k ALLAH ne sab se pahly qalam ko paida farmaya ub ap batain k sahi bukhari main dee gaye hadees sahi hai ya jo ap ne fabricate ki hai woh sahi hai yaar waisay ap ne hadeesain gharnay k specialist kahan se hasil kiye hain?

Yaar app loggon ko apne matlub ki Ahadith nazar aati hain baqi nahi.
Maine ajj tak koi aise Hadith Bukhari main nahi pari aur aghar hai bhi tu Nabi-E-Pak (saw) ke Noor Mubarik say jo pehli chez paida ki gai woh Qalam hee thi.
Hum Musalman hain Alhumdullilah aur Hadisain gharna humara nahi app logon ka kaam hai aur hum Nabi-e-Pak (saw) say koi Jhoot mansob kar ke jahanum main nahi jana cahtay iss liye Hadith ke mutaliq hum koi Jhoot nahi boltay aur nah bolain gai.

o mere bhai

main ne hadith of the day main sahi bukhari k reference diye hain

ap wahan se download kar k parh lain ...

wahan saaf ilfaaz main sab se pahle qalam kaha hai aur jo ap kahtay hain waisa kuch bhi nahi hai ....

	sarfarazlovesu wrote:
	o mere bhai main ne hadith of the day main sahi bukhari k reference diye hain ap wahan se download kar k parh lain ... wahan saaf ilfaaz main sab se pahle qalam kaha hai aur jo ap kahtay hain waisa kuch bhi nahi hai ....

Oh Janab Nabi-e-Pak (SAW) k Noor Mubarik say sub say Pehlay Qalm hee paida ki gai thi yeh tu hum bhi mantay hain.
Per Qalm say pehlay Nabi-e-Pak (SAW) ka Noor Mubarik paida kia gaya.
Maine jo Hadith post ki iss main dekho likha hai NABI-e-PAK (saw) k NOOR SAY JO CHEEZ SUB SAY PEHLAY PAIDA KI GAI WOH QALM HAI.
PER NABI-E-PAK (SAW) K NOOR MUBARIK K BAAD.
BUKHARI NE TU 5 LAKH AHADITH RIWAYT KI THI LAIKIN THORI SEE DI ABB UNHON NE HADITH-E-NOOR RIWAYT NAHI KI TU ISS KA YEH MATLUB NAHI K YEH MANGHARAT HAI.

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Dear Mr. Legend

Do you agree that our Prophet Muhammad SAW is "Rehmat ullil Alamin". Hope you agree. Dont you!!!

How come that Allah has created "Hell" Dozakh out of the Noor of our Prophet for mankind, as you referred in so called Sahi hadith. Isnt it a contradiction to what Quran has said about our Prophet that he is been sent as a blessing / rehmat for alamin.

I am no body to pass judgment on its correctness but thats what my logical mind suggest to me.

Best knowledge is with the Allmighty.

All respected members of this forum, pls leave Mr. Legend alone. This is a useless and point less discussion. Remember when Halaqu Khan destroyed baghdad Muslims were busy in a discussion that how may angels can pass thru the hole of a needle. Rubbish isnt it.

Mr Legend, I wouldnt react to your dark statements and you dont need to get all that jazbati and emotional here.

Jamii has already said enough but let me add a little more information to his.
All I would say here is that, I have observed is that by believing that Hazrat Muhammad (SAW), was created from ALLAH's noor without any proof from Quran is just another mistake that Christians did after the death of Hazrat Eesa (AS). There would be no difference between Muslims and Christians if you start believing that Huzoor SAW was created from noor and very soon your next generations will exaggerate this idea and start believing that becaue he was born with Allah's noor so he is Allah's son (Naoozubillah), this is how budhism started when they started making idols of the people who died just paying their tribute and respect to those people they started bowing to those idols and the next generation started doing sajda to those idols.

Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God, while we believe he was a respectable messenger but still he was a human being. If you start passing on those concepts of Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) that he was born with noor without any Quranic verses, he soon will be called as son of God by your kids 150 or 200 years down the line and then muslims will start doing SHIRK, which is something that ALLAH can never forgive you for. Now it doesnt mean that we disrespect Hazrat Muhammad (SAW), probably deobandi's or so called wahabis respect Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) more than Baraylvis as they act on what Muhammad (SAW) said rather JUST singing naats and qawalis, and thats what Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) wanted from his ummat.

Now you believe it or not, its upto you. It was our duty to tell you atleast once so that we are not caught in hellfire just because we didnt tell you.

Mr. Legend is our brother and possess lot of talent as he bring scanned proofs (debatable weather correct or not), which do require effort and know how. I request Mr Legend to use his energy in something more use full and productive for us who are I suppose less in energy and knowledge.

Dear brother legend i hope from now on you shall bring information which is usefull and non-controversial. In this way you will be able to draws Allmighty's blessings.

Hmmm

Mr. Legend is our brother and possess lot of talent as he bring scanned proofs (debatable weather correct or not), which do require effort and know how. I request Mr Legend to use his energy in something more use full and productive for us who are I suppose less in energy and knowledge.

Dear brother legend i hope from now on you shall bring information which is usefull and non-controversial. In this way you will be able to draws Allmighty's blessings.

الله نور السموات و الأرض.
beleiving ‎in ‎this nobody in 1450 yrs started worshiping things in there worlds. So how its possible to worship anyone else Allah. Also you ppl dont believe in predictions of The Holy Prophet (PBUH) then how u r making prediction that next generation will do Shirk. One of u wrote Nabi Pak (SAWW) HUZOOR means u have presented ur self in front of Him. That is what u foot believe, isnt it so. And dear Na'ats are not sung, this is the difference between us, u dont hesitate to use any word about what belongs to Nabi Pak (SAWW) like ur forefathers Ibne Tamiya & Ismail Dehalvi. This proves that these are u ppl who manipulate His sayings not us. Dont think in a disgrasers way, Allah is Rehman & Raheem but created hell for non believers, and disgraser of His Prophets. Pl quote any deobandi or ahle hadees from the era of Huzoor Ghos-e-Pak or Maula-e-Rome. Which saying of His is correct and which is false cant be proved online. Just think u foot accept Him Noor but muslims at large accept His city Madinah Munawwarah. Deband is like 73 constitution where 1st amandnent was proposed in 3 days of its approval and here they split in two portions soon after their establishment, Hayaati & Mamaati, infact they are building there religion with time. And the other, they are still not sure which Hadees is Saheeh and which is not, by declaring one as Zaeef by every day passing. By the way on regards at all. I have good through all the major quotings of almost all sects and finally accepted Barelvis, having on flaw as for as believes are concerned.

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Mr.legend
app nay jo bhi kaha woh theek bhi ho sakta hai ya na ho
par app ko ye sentence use nhi karnay chaiye thay (TUM LOGHON KO SIRF NABI-E-PAK (SAW) KI SHAAN SAY CHIR HOTI HAI. )

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If This Hadeeth-e-Noor is correct then how Saheehain and Sahah Sittah Namely, Bukhari, Muslim, Nasai, Tiramzi, Ibn-e-Maja and Abu Dauood missed it.

Not only Sahah Sittah but Moota Imam Malik, Musnad-e-Ahmed and Baheeqi also missed it.

It is stated that "forefathers of Sarfaraz" removed it. Where were the "forefathers of Legend" at that time to check it. This clearly means that these people are new borns in Islam who has no relation with Salfus-Saliheen.

Also what is the explanation of the word changed by چند لوگ , What was in its place. This means cheating !!!!

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g bhai legend
ap kahan hain?

plz comment

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